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DELTARUNE; Chapter 3 & 4 !!!SPOILER!!! Discussion Thread

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What about Jevil and Spamton, though? Both of them can withstand being used as weapons themselves by Susie (With the Devilsknife) and Ralsei (With the Puppet Scarf), and neither Jevil nor Spamton are implied to be getting any stronger throughout the chapters.
If they scale to chapter 3 and 4 people everyone else would and we’d have 4-As stuck in iron cages and I think that’d make me die.

Either way, I think it’s a stretch. Even Jevil is beginning to be outclassed by other weaponry in chapter 4.
 
Even then, 4-A is legit because the special effects all happen inside the Green Room, everything else is untampered and just part of the "real" part, saying these aren't stars but illusions when EVERYTHING in the Dark World is an illusion to begin with, unless somehow is faker than fake.
A bit late to the party, need to finish the weird route... but, given that not the entire sky is with stars, and it is only in a delimited area, wouldn't be better to calculate by counting the stars there?
 
A bit late to the party, need to finish the weird route... but, given that not the entire sky is with stars, and it is only in a delimited area, wouldn't be better to calculate by counting the stars there?
I don't see why we wouldn't assume it's a full-on starry sky. Graphical limitations do exist, of course.
 
I don't see why we wouldn't assume it's a full-on starry sky. Graphical limitations do exist, of course.
i mean, when the scene goes up... there are legit only stars on that retangle of an area, above there is no stars at all... but meh, just giving a thought
 
I personally don't see much of a problem with either, but with Gerson being able to destroy it's protection anyways, and the delta heroes being comparable to Gerson, they very easily have good sensical Titan scaling.
Pretty sure they aren't, in his fight with Susie he deals less and less damage as the fight goes and stops once she gets hurt a lot, he clearly is just testing you, while he takes no damage from her rude busters and cassualy blitzes her, pretty sure he is, outside of the Knight and maybe the Titan, the verse's current top tier

edit: Seam also said that Gerson/The next oponent with the Shadow Crystal was so strong that our defeat would be a gurantee, we only "win" by impressing him and not actually harming him in anyway
 
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4-A trapped in iron cages... Hmm I feel like applying 4-A stats to characters wouldn't last more than a few months before there's an unmasking, but well, we'll see how it goes
 
Pretty sure they aren't, in his fight with Susie he deals less and less damage as the fight goes and stops once she gets hurt a lot, he clearly is just testing you, while he takes no damage from her rude busters and cassualy blitzes her, pretty sure he is, outside of the Knight and maybe the Titan, the verse's current top tier

edit: Seam also said that Gerson/The next oponent with the Shadow Crystal was so strong that our defeat would be a gurantee, we only "win" by impressing him and not actually harming him in anyway
they’re not equals, just comparable.
 
they’re not equals, just comparable.
nope, Gerson is pretty much a stomp and speed blitz worthy difference away from them, Susie literally cannot harm or hit him at all, even when she is so close as to basically be on his face, his hammer also immediatly cracked the Titan's shell/defense, while not even Kris with the blade that is super effective against it, or the rude buster, can do so
 
nope, Gerson is pretty much a stomp and speed blitz worthy difference away from them, Susie literally cannot harm or hit him at all, even when she is so close as to basically be on his face, his hammer also immediatly cracked the Titan's shell/defense, while not even Kris with the blade that is super effective against it, or the rude buster, can do so
The fact Susie can take hits from Gerson means they’re comparable. Whether or not he’s holding back they’d still need to be comparable to some extent so he doesn’t make them blow up into gore since he scales to the titan
 
The fact Susie can take hits from Gerson means they’re comparable. Whether or not he’s holding back they’d still need to be comparable to some extent so he doesn’t make them blow up into gore since he scales to the titan
Not really? They're no real set-limit to how much fictional characters can hold back, we legit have one where a 2-C holds back enough to just knock out a 10-B.
Especially since Gerson seems to have enough control over his magic that it's literally impossible for him to kill you either.

I dunno why we're taking this route in the first place when we can just scale them directly TO the Titan, since they can indeed take full power hits from it.
 
edit: Seam also said that Gerson/The next oponent with the Shadow Crystal was so strong that our defeat would be a gurantee, we only "win" by impressing him and not actually harming him in anyway
This was said in Chapter 2, so they meant the Knight (who you cannot win against)
 
The fact Susie can take hits from Gerson means they’re comparable. Whether or not he’s holding back they’d still need to be comparable to some extent so he doesn’t make them blow up into gore since he scales to the titan
as i said, the very fact that he deals less and less damage as to not hurt Susie too much shows he's holding back, so unless you can prove the extent he is holding back, then you can't backscale Susie like that, as i said, the Rude Buster, which is > Susie's normal attacks does not hurt him at all, and he can deal more damage with 1 attack then all 3 Delta Warriors combined against the Titan

He doesn't make Susie "Blow up into gore" simply cause he doesn't want to, as he is clearly holding back given how damage works in that fight
 
* But don't let down your guard. I feel your next opponent may be... hm.
  • In reality, it may be impossible to win.
  • ... Unless you use the power of the Shadow Mantle.
  • Here, it may look like an old scrap of cloth, but...
  • ... eh?
  • I can't find it. Did someone... take it...?
  • Hahaha! Well now, there goes your one chance of victory!
  • You have collected 2 Shadow Crystals.
  • Unfortunately, without the Shadow Mantle, at 2 you may remain.
  • Fate is approaching... and it is not on your side.


This is said in Chapter 2, does he say it again in 4?
 
that is anew move called "Double Buster", of course Gerson's added strenght would make the attack stronger... otherwise it is an outlie given everyting that happens when she fights Gerson
The hammer/axe you win at the end of the fight with Gerson says that to obtain it Susie had to become strong, implying that after the battle with Gerson she is now a little stronger

Although that's not enough evidence
The combined attack with Gerson couldn't give Susie new strength, which can probably mean that motivation makes Susie stronger + SOUL can enhance Susie's strength to the point that she's comparable to Gerson
 
* But don't let down your guard. I feel your next opponent may be... hm.
  • In reality, it may be impossible to win.
  • ... Unless you use the power of the Shadow Mantle.
  • Here, it may look like an old scrap of cloth, but...
  • ... eh?
  • I can't find it. Did someone... take it...?
  • Hahaha! Well now, there goes your one chance of victory!
  • You have collected 2 Shadow Crystals.
  • Unfortunately, without the Shadow Mantle, at 2 you may remain.
  • Fate is approaching... and it is not on your side.


This is said in Chapter 2, does he say it again in 4?
Seam says this about Gerson,
  • It's strange. By all reasonable means, the strength of your next opponent...
  • Should be enough to already ring the bell on your defeat.
  • But, for some reason... I can't help but think you may win.
  • What is this feeling? ... Hope? Hahaha! Whatever it is, it's quite funny!
Gerson is probably >Knight tbh
 
Seam says this about Gerson,

Gerson is probably >Knight tbh
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also creating a Gerson's profile btw cuz he is the goat‼️ (need some help getting some renders of Gerson since the one I used for him is a recreation...)
 
* But don't let down your guard. I feel your next opponent may be... hm.
  • In reality, it may be impossible to win.
  • ... Unless you use the power of the Shadow Mantle.
  • Here, it may look like an old scrap of cloth, but...
  • ... eh?
  • I can't find it. Did someone... take it...?
  • Hahaha! Well now, there goes your one chance of victory!
  • You have collected 2 Shadow Crystals.
  • Unfortunately, without the Shadow Mantle, at 2 you may remain.
  • Fate is approaching... and it is not on your side.


This is said in Chapter 2, does he say it again in 4?
nah, he foreshadows Gerson after you give the Shadow Crystal in Chapter 4:
  • It's strange. By all reasonable means, the strength of your next opponent...
  • Should be enough to already ring the bell on your defeat.
  • But, for some reason... I can't help but think you may win.
  • What is this feeling? ... Hope? Hahaha! Whatever it is, it's quite funny!
 
Also, I might be misrembering, but doesn't Ralsei OHKO a copy of Gerson?
That was one of Gerson Study's statues that was animated, it really has no scaling to Gerson himself.

Like fact of the matter is, the entire gang, including the supposedly stronger Susie, can barely do anything to the Titan's Defenses, while Gerson nearly broke it with one hit.
Gerson is in no way weaker than Ralsei lol

But I think I need to restate this, they're all gonna be 4-A, via directly scaling to the Titan. Gerson is just higher on the chain, that's about it.
 
That was one of Gerson Study's statues that was animated, it really has no scaling to Gerson himself.

Like fact of the matter is, the entire gang, including the supposedly stronger Susie, can barely do anything to the Titan's Defenses, while Gerson nearly broke it with one hit.
Gerson is in no way weaker than Ralsei lol

But I think I need to restate this, they're all gonna be 4-A, via directly scaling to the Titan. Gerson is just higher on the chain, that's about it.
Fair
 
I have a question, is there anything else that supports Tier 4-A besides the darkfont creation feat?
 
Again, Chapter 2's sky is explicitly just a hologram
is it really though? there's like the start where we see some kind of dome over the City and that's like it. is it really mentioned or implied past that?

even then, stuff like the moon and the starry sky are visible without the dome
 
dumb new lightworld calc idea: Chapter 4 gives us an idea of what Kris did while sneaking outside the Dreemurr house during Snowgrave (specifically bringing Berdly to the hospital and visiting Noelle on the Graveyard bench). this could probably get decently high considering how fast you can skip through text
 
Queen shows a bunch of other holograms later on
is there like... anything to imply the sky itself is a massive hologram? if this was a reason to cast doubt on Ch2's cosmic size then I guess but with the new Dark Worlds I think it's pretty blatantly just an actual moon/sky
 
What energy system scales Titans to Dark Worlds as whole (starry sky & all)? That's a creation feat.
 
dumb new lightworld calc idea: Chapter 4 gives us an idea of what Kris did while sneaking outside the Dreemurr house during Snowgrave (specifically bringing Berdly to the hospital and visiting Noelle on the Graveyard bench). this could probably get decently high considering how fast you can skip through text
Also Susie running to Kris's house to get the TV and take it to Castle Town
 
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