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DELTARUNE; Chapter 3 & 4 !!!SPOILER!!! Discussion Thread

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Updated the titan's intelligence aswell. should've been instinctive not animalistic.

The Titan might possibly be the dumbest 4-A on the wiki. That is good.
 
Instinctive is for characters who are incapable of conscious thought.

So a titan.
I checked it myself in the Intelligence page and I personally do not think the difference is that much because animals are just animals, and they all can do "pre-programmed" things without a self-awareness, though it's just my nitpick here.
 
I checked it myself in the Intelligence page and I personally do not think the difference is that much because animals are just animals, and they all can do "pre-programmed" things without a self-awareness, though it's just my nitpick here.
I'm just going off the page technically the titan fits better in instinctive's description than it does animalistic's.

Pluuuuuuuuuuuus who doesn't love a super stupid high tier character?
 
I was just talking about the intelligence page in itself tbf, I do think the Titan is ok for instinctive.
VSBW will give a distinction between Instinctive and Animalistic but won't put a distinction between the 1300x difference of 9-B and 9-A. Oh my Titan bruhhhhhhh
 
I feel like it's not clicking with you or something, because i've spelled it out several times and you keep saying this.
When the Dark Fountain's power becomes too strong and overflows, a Titan is born, and a Titan can be sealed by the Soul's light due to being like a Dark Fountain. The Titan being born from and being like a Dark Fountain does not mean the Titan's stats scale to a creation feat like birthing a Dark World.

The Titan is not a "walking 4-A realm" because it's not a Dark World. Neither is it the embodiment of one nor is it the size of one. There are characters who have far more direct creation feats that don't scale to their own stats. You need to provide textual evidence that the Titans can attack with the same power that the Dark Fountains use to sustain a Dark World. At most it'd be environmental destruction, but I'd disagree with even that.

Ralsei's explanation of the Titan just isn't convincing at all that it should be 4-A. If there's any extra evidence that'd be lovely.
 
Only on VSBW being a walking 4-A realm compressed in a single entity is not a 4-A feat smh.
So, just to be clear: Kris, Susie, and Ralsei (and I guess Gerson) jump to full-on 4-A physically from this? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm genuinely asking. If so, that seems a bit extreme, but nothing contradicts it so fine, I guess
 
So, just to be clear: Kris, Susie, and Ralsei (and I guess Gerson) jump to full-on 4-A physically from this? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm genuinely asking. If so, that seems a bit extreme, but nothing contradicts it so fine, I guess
If i recall it's 8-C, At most 4-A. not full on 4-A.

The only people who scale to 4-A fully are the titan and Gerson (goated)
 
So, just to be clear: Kris, Susie, and Ralsei (and I guess Gerson) jump to full-on 4-A physically from this? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm genuinely asking. If so, that seems a bit extreme, but nothing contradicts it so fine, I guess
There is no real link between Chapters 1-3 and 4 (besides Susie cracking the Knight's sword, but that's probably PIS), so them jumping from 8-C to 4-A has a kind of a justification.
 
There is no real link between Chapters 1-3 and 4 (besides Susie cracking the Knight's sword, but that's probably PIS), so them jumping from 8-C to 4-A has a kind of a justification.
Lightners level up one time and think they can take that Titan smoke (darkness?) :rolleyes:
 
Bro in Pokémon they jump from High 7-A to 2-A from just leveling up a bit between gyms and this is extreme? Lol.
I find great comfort in that i can throw rats at god and win though, so it's different because i said so.
I mean, in fairness, in Undertale, one level is the difference between High 8-C and 2-B, so there's that
Asriel is a bum.
 
I find great comfort in that i can throw rats at god and win though, so it's different because i said so.

Asriel is a bum.
I meant the process of leveling up from LV 19 (Vastly upscaling from Undying Undyne) to LV 20 (Annihilating the entire cosmology)
 
I meant the process of leveling up from LV 19 (Vastly upscaling from Undying Undyne) to LV 20 (Annihilating the entire cosmology)
Asgore is a bum for not stopping you

Edit: all the dreemurrs are a bunch of bums. Chara is adopted and still manages.
 
There is no real link between Chapters 1-3 and 4 (besides Susie cracking the Knight's sword, but that's probably PIS), so them jumping from 8-C to 4-A has a kind of a justification.
There's Mike, Miss Mizzle, the Lanino and Elnina rematch if we want to go with the Mini-Bosses.
 
When the Dark Fountain's power becomes too strong and overflows, a Titan is born, and a Titan can be sealed by the Soul's light due to being like a Dark Fountain. The Titan being born from and being like a Dark Fountain does not mean the Titan's stats scale to a creation feat like birthing a Dark World.

The Titan is not a "walking 4-A realm" because it's not a Dark World. Neither is it the embodiment of one nor is it the size of one. There are characters who have far more direct creation feats that don't scale to their own stats. You need to provide textual evidence that the Titans can attack with the same power that the Dark Fountains use to sustain a Dark World. At most it'd be environmental destruction, but I'd disagree with even that.

Ralsei's explanation of the Titan just isn't convincing at all that it should be 4-A. If there's any extra evidence that'd be lovely.
When they seal the Titan, the fountain disappears
Titan = Fountain
 
There's Mike, Miss Mizzle, the Lanino and Elnina rematch if we want to go with the Mini-Bosses.
Game Mechanics (yes, one of the few cases where you actually can genuinely argue that in a Toby Fox game).
I mean, in fairness, in Undertale, one level is the difference between High 8-C and 2-B, so there's that
You forgot 7-C and Low 2-C.
 
a baseball moon is still a moon, it would still be able to qualify for that "pocket dimension with a moon" calc I'm pretty sure (plus it also might be implied that the moon just looks like a baseball given how both Noelle and Susie talk about it)
Hate to break it to you but... destroy a moon sized baseball is nowhere near as much as destroying an actual moon

Besides... prove that it is moon sized to begin with? It is just a giant baseball, why do you think it is a moon to begin with?
 
I mean, yeah, hence why Incorporality instead of Abstract Existence, they are very clearly made of Darkness
My problem is that Darkness is not necessairly non physical as Darkners are made of Darkness but they ain't incorporeal so...
 
My problem is that Darkness is not necessairly non physical as Darkners are made of Darkness but they ain't incorporeal so...
In this case we see they as sort of smoke as we climb it and much more so when Kris and Susie can just... just inside of it easily, also pretty sure we only see smoky whatever inside it in that scene
 
In this case we see they as sort of smoke as we climb it and much more so when Kris and Susie can just... just inside of it easily, also pretty sure we only see smoky whatever inside it in that scene
That smoke is just the fountain's darkness it creates for making a Dark World. The Titan just kinda used that to beat ts outta everyone while it was hatching. That isn't really apart of it per say also isn't either.
 
That smoke is just the fountain's darkness it creates for making a Dark World. The Titan just kinda used that to beat ts outta everyone while it was hatching. That isn't really apart of it per say also isn't either.
A possible rating sounds good then
 
Doesn't the titan have different stats when it uses its wings to protect itself?
No.
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