Reaper hates life: 7-A tiersetter tournament

[Jerry59]

What makes it a ****stomp is when Meruem decides to use his Ren. If Meruem started with Ren in every situation at the first literal seconds, then yea it’d be a stomp, but that’s not what Meruem starts with In-Character. His go-to move is using En and Photons to give him a general layout of the area (since he has no ****ing clue what Central Park is), gains information about Thrall, and clears the distance and tries to one tap kill them or incapacitate using pressure points.

As said by Phoeneks, matches have to be thought of as multiple different battles instead of just one. The multiple different actions Meruem takes can be split into percentiles to determine how likely it is for Thrall to win, because all he needs is a 5% chance to win against Meruem for Meruem to be eligible to join the tourney.

Let’s suppose that Meruem is equally as likely to start with Ren as he is to start with En and Photons. Right off of the bat, Thrall has a 50% chance to lose immediately, but in the other 50% Thrall can still put up a fight. In the remaining 50% chance, I’ve already described what Meruem would do: increase his Nen and clear the distance to knock out Thrall with pressure points.

With both combatants moving towards each other, with Thrall occasionally using Lightning Strikes and Earth Manipulation in areas where he knows civilians aren’t in and Meruem firing invisible Rage Blasts towards Thrall, it would be highly unlikely for Thrall to die given that his Pain Tolerance and Durability would let him tough it out. Because of that, I won’t change the chances at all.

Let’s assume again, that for whatever random reason Meruem is equally as likely to use Ren on Thrall as he is to engage in close-quarters-combat. This makes it a 75% chance for Thrall to immediately lose. In the remaining 25% chance, Meruem would engage in close-quarters-combat and try to figure out Thrall’s rhythm. This basically leads back to the situation I described earlier where Meruem would be confused as to how Thrall is creating magical effects without the use of Nen, thus increasing the time it takes for Meruem to figure out Thrall’s rhythm. During that time Thrall has the ability to use Earth Crush Ggs, or just Air Manipulation + Earth Crush Ggs if Meruem is flying.

And to place a final cap on the bottle, let’s say Meruem randomly decides to use Ren because the DM rolled a 51 on the percentage die. For a grand total of a 12.5% chance for Thrall to win, Meruem more than passes the criteria for entry into the tournament.

Really, it should be a 50% chance for Thrall, because if Meruem decides not to use Ren, he simply wouldn’t use it for the entire fight.

And has Meruem not used Ren?

 

[Shadowslash125]

Y'all are merciless

 

[Greatsage13th]

Y'all are merciless

Reaper has been uncharacteristically calm with his response to him. Pretty sure he's holding back an entire vermintide of cusses at this moment on the verge of cutting loose.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Reaper has been uncharacteristically calm with his response to him.

Probs the reason why:

If you listen closely you can hear me developing sickness

 

[DaReaperMan]

Daf#q?!

Hey, I'm not the one who voted that Meruem won that, it just sorta happened. Funny that I find a use for it now.

Reaper has been uncharacteristically calm with his response to him. Pretty sure he's holding back an entire vermintide of cusses at this moment on the verge of cutting loose.

You'll notice the shittier I am physically feeling the less I actually do things and whatnot. Insomnia is also a *****.

 

[Shadowslash125]

To save you from any more possible headaches, I want to clarify for W (I know he's in backup but still):
While Kamen Rider W is relatively haxless (and Thrall most likely resists almost every stuff they have), their biggest asset in fighting is their Google engine for a brain (courtesy of Philip). Normally this isn't combat applicable in their base forms since Philip can't access the gaia library while fighting, where knowledge about everyone and everything is present in the form of, well, a ******* library. But, in Xtreme form and beyond, this gaia library restriction is not only removed, but they can pop that shit first thing into battle and it just takes a split second (or maybe even lesser) to learn everything about their opponent; their backstory, their powerset; their weaknesses and whatnot. This allows them to go for a decisive strike that can end their opponents in one fell swoop if possible. Otherwise, they just gain the upper hand. Gold Xtreme can fly now, btw.
You know Thrall more than I do, so how would that affect the tiersetter thing?

 

[DaReaperMan]

To save you from any more possible headaches, I want to clarify for W (I know he's in backup but still):
While Kamen Rider W is relatively haxless (and Thrall most likely resists almost every stuff they have), their biggest asset in fighting is their Google engine for a brain (courtesy of Philip). Normally this isn't combat applicable in their base forms since Philip can't access the gaia library while fighting, where knowledge about everyone and everything is present in the form of, well, a ******* library. But, in Xtreme form and beyond, this gaia library restriction is not only removed, but they can pop that shit first thing into battle and it just takes a split second (or maybe even lesser) to learn everything about their opponent; their backstory, their powerset; their weaknesses and whatnot. This allows them to go for a decisive strike that can end their opponents in one fell swoop if possible. Otherwise, they just gain the upper hand. Gold Xtreme can fly now, btw.
You know Thrall more than I do, so how would that affect the tiersetter thing?

Pretty shitty idea to fly against a Shaman who can manipulate air. But yeah analyzing Thrall's history does one of two things: Has Thrall not care because he tends to only talk when in combat with someone he has personal issues with, or you make personal issues with him and he Garrosh's you because he's pissed

 

[Shadowslash125]

a Shaman who can manipulate air

Did you know Xtreme Form W became Gold Xtreme because air got pumped into the Rider System?
Besides the fact that W using any Cyclone Forms can absorb air and get amped, Xtreme form utilises both Cyclone and Joker memories for its transformation (hence the full name CycloneJokerXtreme).
Other elements are relatively fair game.

But yeah analyzing Thrall's history does one of two things: Has Thrall not care because he tends to only talk when in combat with someone he has personal issues with, or you make personal issues with him and he Garrosh's you because he's pissed

Eh, I just wanted to highlight that learning everything about Thrall can allow W to counter/avoid/not die against him, especially since he'd know how he fights, his favorite moves, combat stuff basically in addition to the non-combat fluff.

 

[Topaz404]

Stamina draining fire bullshit go!

Actually
Yknow what

I have realized I don’t got much hope, is it too late to bow out and let Adam move on?

Cough

 

[DaReaperMan]

Did you know Xtreme Form W became Gold Xtreme because air got pumped into the Rider System?
Besides the fact that W using any Cyclone Forms can absorb air and get amped, Xtreme form utilises both Cyclone and Joker memories for its transformation (hence the full name CycloneJokerXtreme).
Other elements are relatively fair game.

"I absorb Air!" Xtreme says, as he's torn apart from the inside out by the Air Elemental...

Eh, I just wanted to highlight that learning everything about Thrall can allow W to counter/avoid/not die against him, especially since he'd know how he fights, his favorite moves, combat stuff basically in addition to the non-combat fluff.

Thrall's tricky to fight even when you know him, especially since Thrall is a solid one-shot above his 7-A value.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Cough

Sure, why not...

 

[Shadowslash125]

"I absorb Air!" Xtreme says, as he's torn apart from the inside out by the Air Elemental...

Thrall's tricky to fight even when you know him, especially since Thrall is a solid one-shot above his 7-A value.

I think by this point if we can argue like this for who would win, I can assume this would just be a decisive victory for whoever wins sooooo...
Guess I passed your scans. Rest easy now and eat some chicken soup.

 

[Catbowtie]

And has Meruem not used Ren?

Yes.

Also, you probably do not recall but I do, Meruem once upon a time beat Illidan, in both skill and hax. Thrall is both less skilled than Illidan and cannot turn people into sheep. If he gets close, Thrall loses, while Thrall might hit him at range, it's nothing that will kill Meruem and he prefers Melee before mixing in his shamanistic abilities.

It took me one Forum search to find what you were talking about lol.

Your statements are wrong.

Hax is defined as this on this wiki:

Hax is a catch-all term for abilities that can be used to ignore/bypass one or more of a target's statistics, rendering them irrelevant.

Following this definition, there’s one (Ren), maybe two (if you count pressure points) hax Meruem has. Meanwhile Illidian has this:

Magic Absorption/Life Absorption (Able to absorb the magic and life force of others to amplify his own magic and can do so to the point of killing them)

• Sleep Manipulation (Able to magically place himself and others into a temporary coma)

• Paralysis Inducement (Via Impact)

• Time Manipulation (Via Time Warp, Alter Time, Chrono Shift, Time Anomaly, and Temporal Shield)

And so, so much more. Unless Illidian didn’t have those abilities at the time of the fight, he beats Meruem in Hax.

As for Meruem’s skill, Shmeaty was talking about how any attack someone does against Meruem is perfectly remembered by Meruem because of his Photographic Memory. That doesn’t mean Thrall simply can’t hit Meruem at all, as Meruem CAN get his *** swatted by attacks, it just means that attacking with the same move again will be more easily defended by Meruem. Doesn’t stop Thrall from opening up a giant canyon and trapping Meruem underneath, assuming that civilians aren’t in the area.

Don’t know where they got the 10x Nen amp from. The verse page and profiles don’t say anything about multipliers. I’m going to dismiss that statement on the basis of Hitchen’s razor.

Same thing with Meruem’s perception. I would try to look to see if Meruem’s profile changed to see if his speed stat was originally his perception speed, but I don’t know how to check profile edits on tablet Going to dismiss that off of Hitchen’s razor too.
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Daf#q?!

Dude you were there for the fight. Why are YOU surprised?

 

[DaReaperMan]

I think by this point if we can argue like this for who would win, I can assume this would just be a decisive victory for whoever wins sooooo...
Guess I passed your scans. Rest easy now and eat some chicken soup.

Yeah Xtreme is probably fine, gimme a moment

Yes.

Remove enhanced fear hax from the profile then... oh, right. Don't bullshit me with things disprovable by a glance at Meruem's profile.

It took me one Forum search to find what you were talking about lol.

Your statements are wrong.

Hax is defined as this on this wiki:

Following this definition, there’s one (Ren), maybe two (if you count pressure points) hax Meruem has. Meanwhile Illidian has this:

And so, so much more. Unless Illidian didn’t have those abilities at the time of the fight, he beats Meruem in Hax.

Which are almost entirely either slow, mid hax, or pure utility/support. So yes, two instant wins are above Illidan in hax. Unless your name is Arthas Menethil Warcraft characters generally don't have instant win hax.

As for Meruem’s skill, Shmeaty was talking about how any attack someone does against Meruem is perfectly remembered by Meruem because of his Photographic Memory. That doesn’t mean Thrall simply can’t hit Meruem at all, as Meruem CAN get his *** swatted by attacks, it just means that attacking with the same move again will be more easily defended by Meruem. Doesn’t stop Thrall from opening up a giant canyon and trapping Meruem underneath, assuming that civilians aren’t in the area.

And how skilled is Netero? Evidently above Illidan.

Also, this requires Thrall to lead with his Shamanism once Meruem gets close (Something he only amps his attacks with, not throwing people around like a sack of potatoes or putting them a mile underground), And because of the people around and in the surrounding areas, he won't rip open the planet like that or cause an earthquake. It's not an "If" the fight comes to melee, it's "Will", and Thrall has no chance against instant win attacks he does not resist. Thrall prefers melee, he uses Shamanism until he can rush into his preferred area of combat.

Don’t know where they got the 10x Nen amp from. The verse page and profiles don’t say anything about multipliers. I’m going to dismiss that statement on the basis of Hitchen’s razor.

Same thing with Meruem’s perception. I would try to look to see if Meruem’s profile changed to see if his speed stat was originally his perception speed, but I don’t know how to check profile edits on tablet Going to dismiss that off of Hitchen’s razor too.

They argued for it, not me. Ask em or something.

All of this to say: If you want an HxH character in, find one who can't end the fight instantly any time they damn well please.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Yeah Xtreme is probably fine, gimme a moment

Gold Xtreme btw. Normal Xtreme is 7-B.

 

[Kachon123]

R1M5: Nyan vs Traveler!​

R1M4: Adversary vs Janperson​

Grace for these matches have ended

 

[DaReaperMan]

Grace for these matches have ended

Ping me tomorrow, I'll get everything, and the next match set up, unless I take a complete nosedive I'll probably feel up to potential surprises. That's not to say I'm better, but Adapt and overcome, and I've slowly adapted.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Hey Reaps, if you need help with managing this tourney, I'm kinda free enough to help you out.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Hey Reaps, if you need help with managing this tourney, I'm kinda free enough to help you out.

Well, you can't really edit the OP and that's a solid 75% of what I have to do, with Topaz conceding before their match making one isn't too hard. The rest of it is looking at what matches are up and seeing where the votes fell.

 

[Shadowslash125]

The rest of it is looking at what matches are up and seeing where the votes fell.

Can do.
What matches do I make (or something) now?

 

[Shadowslash125]

I see HH Adam vs Kikaider needing to be made, since topaz surrendered

 

[DaReaperMan]

Can do.
What matches do I make (or something) now?

Well, if you want to handle the matches or handle other things, with my blessing, check victors for all current matches and make the following matches: Gildedguy vs BoBoiBoy(Round 1 redo), Your rider vs Asa Mitaka (Round 6 redo), and HH Adam vs Kikaider, a debate I'll likely have to personally run.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Gildedguy vs BoBoiBoy(Round 1 redo)

Your rider vs Asa Mitaka (Round 6 redo)

I forgor we're going Agnaa style. Sure.

HH Adam vs Kikaider, a debate I'll likely have to personally run.

Aight.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Matches made.

Gildedguy VS Boboiboy! R1M1-B of Reaper Hates Life Tourney

Match 1-B of the Reaper Hates Life Tournament, where a guy fights a boy. Speed Equal Boboiboy is in first key and restricted to 7-A shenanigans SBA otherwise. Gildedguy: Boboiboy: Inconclusive: (Also do tell if you want the matches I make for this tourney to be in my style or something)

vsbattles.com

Asa Mitaka VS Kamen Rider W! R1M6-B of Reaper Hates Life Tourney

Match 6-B of the Reaper Hates Life Tournament, and this time, both combatants fight to see whose 2 minds in 1 body can emerge victorious. Speed Equal Both are 7-A SBA otherwise. Asa Mitaka: Kamen Rider W: Inconclusive: (Also do tell if you want the matches I make for this tourney to be in...

vsbattles.com

 

[Shadowslash125]

I forgor the kikaider match, one sec
(I'll apply my style from the quarter finals onwards)

 

[Shadowslash125]

Adam (Hazbin Hotel) vs Kikaider 01! Match 7/8 (???) of Reaper Hates Life Tournament

Match 7/8 (???) of the Reaper Hates Life Tournament, and we shall see which first person is the first at being first at this final preliminary match. Basically man vs technology. Speed Equal KK-01 is in his second key. SBA otherwise. Adam (Hazbin Hotel): Kikaider 01: Inconclusive:

vsbattles.com

 

[DaReaperMan]

I forgor the kikaider match, one sec
(I'll apply my style from the quarter finals onwards)

That's if I don't make the matches lol, I like doing tournament matches myself when I'm running it, I'm just happy for the assistance

 

[Shadowslash125]

That's if I don't make the matches lol, I like doing tournament matches myself when I'm running it, I'm just happy for the assistance

I'm only doing it when I have to make matches for you. Otherwise, go ham.

 

[Shadowslash125]

OP needs to be updated.
W wins by stomp, and the new matches need to be linked there.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Bump

 

[Shadowslash125]

Reaps, the BoBoiBoy match has reached a verdict and is just requiring votes. We can move to the quarter finals now.

 

[Naito-desu]

Kikaider v Adam hasn't ended technically but without any counterarguments it can be concluded

 

[Shadowslash125]

Reaps himself said Adam can't do much anyways.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Bump

 

[DaReaperMan]

Picker wheel, go.

R2M1: Kikaider vs Drifter
R2M2: RoR Adam vs Boboiboy
R2M3: Kamen Rider W vs Nyan
R2M4: Budo vs Janperson

I'll make the matches when I wake up.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Bump

 

[DaReaperMan]

I'll submit Kikaider 01, if he is fine to go.

Submitting Drifter my goat.

Kikaider 01 vs The Hyper Light Drifter! R2M1 of the 7-A Tournament!

With Round 1 having ended with me being sick for a few days, it's about time for me to get this back on track... so it's time to throw obscure show character at obscure game character. Kikaider is in second key while the Drifter is in his only key. Speed is Equalized SBA is assumed otherwise...

vsbattles.com

Come to your match

 

[DaReaperMan]

Bump

By the way, feel free to make the Rider Match

 

[Shadowslash125]

By the way, feel free to make the Rider Match

Aight, I can go ham on that, though wouldn't we need to make the RoR Adam vs Boboiboy match first?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Aight, I can go ham on that, though wouldn't we need to make the RoR Adam vs Boboiboy match first?

If you want to do that one too I wouldn't mind lol, I'm definitely doing Match 4 though