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Reaper hates life: 7-A tiersetter tournament
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That's enough to beat Thrall. Effortlessly. He doesn't have a not-baseline thing
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If Thrall already resists Fear Manipulation, Meruem's wouldn't work. The point of the Enhanced Fear Manipulation is that it's effects are better. I.e, if someone had Enhanced Soul Manipulation, then their manipulations work better against someone who doesn't resist Soul Manipulation, but if that person went against someone with Resistance to Soul Manipulation, then it wouldn't matter as they ignore the manipulation all-together.
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Thrall's fear resistance is from the fear ability being able to make people run away or freeze. Not driving people insane, aging them a hundred years, borderline timestop people from their eyes, etc.
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Best way to win a tiersetter tournament. Make them lose to the tiersetter, then absolutely shitstomp the other combatants yeah yeah, genius move huh. Not lame at all!
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Because the effects of the Fear Manipulation causes those things to happen. This isn't a "Stronger" Fear in the traditional sense of having layers or working on people who resist less "fearful" things. Fear is a binary resistance: either the person feels fear or they don't. A person can't be more "fearful" without having layers or working on people who have fear resistance. Like how Nodt has layers to his Fear Manipulation
Meruem's Fear Manipulation would've been layered if it worked on people with fear resistance.
Okay, let's take this is a different but similar pathway.
Thrall has resistance to Explosion Manipulation. Assuming equal AP, if Yhwach used his Enhanced Explosion Manipulation on Thrall, Thrall wouldn't be effected nearly as much because even though the ability's mechanisms is enhanced (i.e, creating multiple explosions that obliterate the person's body), the "parent" ability is resisted anyways. It doesn't matter how many explosions there are, the ability still gets resisted.
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This is just... incorrect. Fear is not binary, it's a spectrum. People can absolutely experience varying degrees of fear depending on the intensity, context, and nature of the stimulus. To argue otherwise ignores both psychological research and basic human experience. Something that causes someone to age hundreds of years from sheer terror is objectively more fear-inducing than something that merely causes a momentary freeze. The idea that fear can't scale unless you're dealing with "layers" of resistance completely misunderstands how emotional and biological responses work.
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he literally has concept hax.
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It's just glorified gravity manipulation
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A chain of scaling is possible though class p may not be accepted
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Ah. Good to know.
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And how far off is this CRT? Cause if he goes 7-A I doubt Thrall wins
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Lad doesn't have any dura neg from what I can gather
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Kenjaku has Soul Manipulation which he will use in character. He also has access to all of Suguru Geto’s abilities.
Kenjaku can win via sealing with Prison Realm.
Kenjaku can win via sealing with Prison Realm.
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He doesn't need to be able to win, just needs to be able to lose. With the knowledge that Kenjaku may be going 7-A, I don't know if I should include him or not. I'm not exactly equipped to see the future(with any reliability, that is.)
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Meruem can still lose to Thrall because Tornado + Earthquake Ggs. Meruem’s Fear Manipulation needs to be activated and the feeling persists as long as he has Ren up. Featless Fodder Welfin was able to act after experiencing Meruem's Aura. In order for Meruem to win against Thrall using Fear Manipulation, Meruem would dead*** have to stay like that for 25 hours.
A 5% chance out of 100% to win is crazy small. Like that's a landslide win in every situation except like one or two. Tornado + crushing with Earth Manipulation is possible.
I really want to use Meruem
It's highly out of character for Meruem to stand in the same place for 25 hours continually using Ren to scare the **** out of Thrall instead of just, y'know, trying to kill him. Meruem will whip Thrall one or two times, while using Ren to try to one-shot kill him, but when Thrall doesn't die immediately? He'll just use Ryo and Kyo to pummel Thrall to death. Hell, in like his grand total of five fights, Meruem actually prefers to one-shot kill fodder people (i.e people with little to no nen) in a physical confrontation. In literally his one and only notable fight against someone who doesn't combust as soon as he whips them with his tail once (and this was only because Meruem couldn't physically get to Netero to donut him), the closest thing we have to a starting move for Meruem is to increase his Nen (which couldn't be Ren, or else he would've fear haxed Netero right then and there) and start to figure out his opponent's "rhythm." In his other "fight," Meruem used En to locate Bine and Meleoron to use pressure points to knock them out instantly. Meruem usually uses Ren to intimidate, but not when he's fighting someone.
A 5% chance out of 100% to win is crazy small. Like that's a landslide win in every situation except like one or two. Tornado + crushing with Earth Manipulation is possible.
I really want to use Meruem
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Thrall can't cause proper tornados over that distance, and, as I've said previously, he's going to be a little more precise because he doesn't look a civilian in the eye and crushes their skull. Thrall may not be shy about killing but innocents and Civilians stay out of it.
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Not with civilians all over the place.
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Fairly likely.... in an area without civilians. He's keeping collateral to a minimum in central park. He's more than willing to fold sections he knows civilians aren't in on itself but like... he can get fearhaxed and heat into submission with 0 effort on Meruem's end.
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Meruem isn’t going to sit down and fear hax Thrall for 25 hours straight. He’s using Ren like once or twice then switching to Ryo and Ko. Meruem still needs time to figure out Thrall’s rhythm.
Meruem is open to wait for civilians to leave when he senses through Photons that Thrall is distracted as he did with Netero.
Meruem is open to wait for civilians to leave when he senses through Photons that Thrall is distracted as he did with Netero.
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Thrall ages to death the moment he uses his fear, man. Or goes catatonic! The literal only way for him to not fuckstomp Thrall is to never use Ren ever
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Yeah there's a difference between a very basic fear res like he has and Meruem's insanity
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If you listen closely you can hear me developing sickness. I'll get what I can done, starting with saying outright Meruem doesn't work because his fear hax is blatantly above Thrall's resistance.
Edit: also, next matches are HH Adam vs Kikaider and RoR Adam vs Xiao
Edit: also, next matches are HH Adam vs Kikaider and RoR Adam vs Xiao
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i weep.
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Probably, being left to now sort of screwed Xiao due to her two potential opponents both being nasty in their own right, thankfully the Adam you're up against lacks heat resistance so it might be arguable
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Stamina draining fire bullshit go!
Actually
Yknow what
I have realized I don’t got much hope, is it too late to bow out and let Adam move on?
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What makes it a ****stomp is when Meruem decides to use his Ren. If Meruem started with Ren in every situation at the first literal seconds, then yea it’d be a stomp, but that’s not what Meruem starts with In-Character. His go-to move is using En and Photons to give him a general layout of the area (since he has no ****ing clue what Central Park is), gains information about Thrall, and clears the distance and tries to one tap kill them or incapacitate using pressure points.
As said by Phoeneks, matches have to be thought of as multiple different battles instead of just one. The multiple different actions Meruem takes can be split into percentiles to determine how likely it is for Thrall to win, because all he needs is a 5% chance to win against Meruem for Meruem to be eligible to join the tourney.
Let’s suppose that Meruem is equally as likely to start with Ren as he is to start with En and Photons. Right off of the bat, Thrall has a 50% chance to lose immediately, but in the other 50% Thrall can still put up a fight. In the remaining 50% chance, I’ve already described what Meruem would do: increase his Nen and clear the distance to knock out Thrall with pressure points.
With both combatants moving towards each other, with Thrall occasionally using Lightning Strikes and Earth Manipulation in areas where he knows civilians aren’t in and Meruem firing invisible Rage Blasts towards Thrall, it would be highly unlikely for Thrall to die given that his Pain Tolerance and Durability would let him tough it out. Because of that, I won’t change the chances at all.
Let’s assume again, that for whatever random reason Meruem is equally as likely to use Ren on Thrall as he is to engage in close-quarters-combat. This makes it a 75% chance for Thrall to immediately lose. In the remaining 25% chance, Meruem would engage in close-quarters-combat and try to figure out Thrall’s rhythm. This basically leads back to the situation I described earlier where Meruem would be confused as to how Thrall is creating magical effects without the use of Nen, thus increasing the time it takes for Meruem to figure out Thrall’s rhythm. During that time Thrall has the ability to use Earth Crush Ggs, or just Air Manipulation + Earth Crush Ggs if Meruem is flying.
And to place a final cap on the bottle, let’s say Meruem randomly decides to use Ren because the DM rolled a 51 on the percentage die. For a grand total of a 12.5% chance for Thrall to win, Meruem more than passes the criteria for entry into the tournament.
Really, it should be a 50% chance for Thrall, because if Meruem decides not to use Ren, he simply wouldn’t use it for the entire fight.
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And has Meruem not used Ren?
Also, you probably do not recall but I do, Meruem once upon a time beat Illidan, in both skill and hax. Thrall is both less skilled than Illidan and cannot turn people into sheep. If he gets close, Thrall loses, while Thrall might hit him at range, it's nothing that will kill Meruem and he prefers Melee before mixing in his shamanistic abilities.
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Daf#q?!
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