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Reaper hates life: 7-A tiersetter tournament

It just means it has more potency. If it was Layered it would have literally said Layered.
 
If Thrall already resists Fear Manipulation, Meruem's wouldn't work. The point of the Enhanced Fear Manipulation is that it's effects are better. I.e, if someone had Enhanced Soul Manipulation, then their manipulations work better against someone who doesn't resist Soul Manipulation, but if that person went against someone with Resistance to Soul Manipulation, then it wouldn't matter as they ignore the manipulation all-together.
 
Thrall's fear resistance is from the fear ability being able to make people run away or freeze. Not driving people insane, aging them a hundred years, borderline timestop people from their eyes, etc.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Thrall's fear resistance is from the fear ability being able to make people run away or freeze. Not driving people insane, aging them a hundred years, borderline timestop people from their eyes, etc.
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Because the effects of the Fear Manipulation causes those things to happen. This isn't a "Stronger" Fear in the traditional sense of having layers or working on people who resist less "fearful" things. Fear is a binary resistance: either the person feels fear or they don't. A person can't be more "fearful" without having layers or working on people who have fear resistance. Like how Nodt has layers to his Fear Manipulation
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Meruem's Fear Manipulation would've been layered if it worked on people with fear resistance.

Okay, let's take this is a different but similar pathway.

Thrall has resistance to Explosion Manipulation. Assuming equal AP, if Yhwach used his Enhanced Explosion Manipulation on Thrall, Thrall wouldn't be effected nearly as much because even though the ability's mechanisms is enhanced (i.e, creating multiple explosions that obliterate the person's body), the "parent" ability is resisted anyways. It doesn't matter how many explosions there are, the ability still gets resisted.
Danmaku & Enhanced Explosion Manipulation (Yhwach can shoot several Heilig Pfeil from his hand at once with his Sankt Bogen to attack his opponent with a barrage of explosions to completely obliterate their body)
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Sankt Bogen (Zankuto Bōgen) Yhwach's Spirit Weapon, an immense bow that he can manifest in his hands or somewhere in his surroundings, using it to fire at his opponents with similarly large arrows.
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Catbowtie said:
Fear is a binary resistance: either the person feels fear or they don't. A person can't be more "fearful" without having layers or working on people who have fear resistance
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This is just... incorrect. Fear is not binary, it's a spectrum. People can absolutely experience varying degrees of fear depending on the intensity, context, and nature of the stimulus. To argue otherwise ignores both psychological research and basic human experience. Something that causes someone to age hundreds of years from sheer terror is objectively more fear-inducing than something that merely causes a momentary freeze. The idea that fear can't scale unless you're dealing with "layers" of resistance completely misunderstands how emotional and biological responses work.
 
MY POINT IS THAT BECAUSE THRALL RESISTS FEAR MANIPULATION THE EFFECTS OF MERUEM'S FEAR MANIPULATION DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE THE INCITING ABILITY IS RESISTED (/nm)
 
That's like saying someone who can endure putting their palm on a stove can jump into a pit of magma. It's fear resistance, not fear immunity.
 
I can't even say anything because you're right.

I just lost all my credibility in this forum for the next 10 years...
 
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DaReaperMan can you PLEASE bestow me your divine judgement? I can’t take any more embarrassment
 
I was going to mention that. With Class P lifting strength as well. Not sure if Sukuna or anyone else will scale though.
 
Catbowtie said:
Kenjaku has Soul Manipulation which he will use in character. He also has access to all of Suguru Geto’s abilities.

Kenjaku can win via sealing with Prison Realm.
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He doesn't need to be able to win, just needs to be able to lose. With the knowledge that Kenjaku may be going 7-A, I don't know if I should include him or not. I'm not exactly equipped to see the future(with any reliability, that is.)
 
Meruem can still lose to Thrall because Tornado + Earthquake Ggs. Meruem’s Fear Manipulation needs to be activated and the feeling persists as long as he has Ren up. Featless Fodder Welfin was able to act after experiencing Meruem's Aura. In order for Meruem to win against Thrall using Fear Manipulation, Meruem would dead*** have to stay like that for 25 hours.
Victory Conditions: Death of the opponent, removing the opponent from the battlefield for at least one week (BFR), knocking the opponent out for at least one hour, or incapacitating the opponent by putting him in a state in which he can not harm the other fighter(s) for over a day, are to be assumed as victory conditions.
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It's highly out of character for Meruem to stand in the same place for 25 hours continually using Ren to scare the **** out of Thrall instead of just, y'know, trying to kill him. Meruem will whip Thrall one or two times, while using Ren to try to one-shot kill him, but when Thrall doesn't die immediately? He'll just use Ryo and Kyo to pummel Thrall to death. Hell, in like his grand total of five fights, Meruem actually prefers to one-shot kill fodder people (i.e people with little to no nen) in a physical confrontation. In literally his one and only notable fight against someone who doesn't combust as soon as he whips them with his tail once (and this was only because Meruem couldn't physically get to Netero to donut him), the closest thing we have to a starting move for Meruem is to increase his Nen (which couldn't be Ren, or else he would've fear haxed Netero right then and there) and start to figure out his opponent's "rhythm." In his other "fight," Meruem used En to locate Bine and Meleoron to use pressure points to knock them out instantly. Meruem usually uses Ren to intimidate, but not when he's fighting someone.

A 5% chance out of 100% to win is crazy small. Like that's a landslide win in every situation except like one or two. Tornado + crushing with Earth Manipulation is possible.

I really want to use Meruem
 
Catbowtie said:
Meruem can still lose to Thrall because Tornado + Earthquake Ggs. Meruem’s Fear Manipulation needs to be activated and the feeling persists as long as he has Ren up. Featless Fodder Welfin was able to act after experiencing Meruem's Aura. In order for Meruem to win against Thrall using Fear Manipulation, Meruem would dead*** have to stay like that for 25 hours.

It's highly out of character for Meruem to stand in the same place for 25 hours continually using Ren to scare the **** out of Thrall instead of just, y'know, trying to kill him. Meruem will whip Thrall one or two times, while using Ren to try to one-shot kill him, but when Thrall doesn't die immediately? He'll just use Ryo and Kyo to pummel Thrall to death. Hell, in like his grand total of five fights, Meruem actually prefers to one-shot kill fodder people (i.e people with little to no nen) in a physical confrontation. In literally his one and only notable fight against someone who doesn't combust as soon as he whips them with his tail once (and this was only because Meruem couldn't physically get to Netero to donut him), the closest thing we have to a starting move for Meruem is to increase his Nen (which couldn't be Ren, or else he would've fear haxed Netero right then and there) and start to figure out his opponent's "rhythm." In his other "fight," Meruem used En to locate Bine and Meleoron to use pressure points to knock them out instantly. Meruem usually uses Ren to intimidate, but not when he's fighting someone.

A 5% chance out of 100% to win is crazy small. Like that's a landslide win in every situation except like one or two. Tornado + crushing with Earth Manipulation is possible.

I really want to use Meruem
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Thrall can't cause proper tornados over that distance, and, as I've said previously, he's going to be a little more precise because he doesn't look a civilian in the eye and crushes their skull. Thrall may not be shy about killing but innocents and Civilians stay out of it.
 
It says on his profile that Thrall can crush castles and cause earthquakes with his earth manip. How likely is he to do that in a fight?
 
Catbowtie said:
It says on his profile that Thrall can crush castles and cause earthquakes with his earth manip. How likely is he to do that in a fight?
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Fairly likely.... in an area without civilians. He's keeping collateral to a minimum in central park. He's more than willing to fold sections he knows civilians aren't in on itself but like... he can get fearhaxed and heat into submission with 0 effort on Meruem's end.
 
Meruem isn’t going to sit down and fear hax Thrall for 25 hours straight. He’s using Ren like once or twice then switching to Ryo and Ko. Meruem still needs time to figure out Thrall’s rhythm.

Meruem is open to wait for civilians to leave when he senses through Photons that Thrall is distracted as he did with Netero.
 
Catbowtie said:
Meruem isn’t going to sit down and fear hax Thrall for 25 hours straight. He’s using Ren like once or twice then switching to Ryo and Ko. Meruem still needs time to figure out Thrall’s rhythm.
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Thrall ages to death the moment he uses his fear, man. Or goes catatonic! The literal only way for him to not fuckstomp Thrall is to never use Ren ever
 
If you listen closely you can hear me developing sickness. I'll get what I can done, starting with saying outright Meruem doesn't work because his fear hax is blatantly above Thrall's resistance.

Edit: also, next matches are HH Adam vs Kikaider and RoR Adam vs Xiao
 
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Topaz404 said:
Well, i think i might be cooked chat. We shall see
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Probably, being left to now sort of screwed Xiao due to her two potential opponents both being nasty in their own right, thankfully the Adam you're up against lacks heat resistance so it might be arguable
 
DaReaperMan said:
Probably, being left to now sort of screwed Xiao due to her two potential opponents both being nasty in their own right, thankfully the Adam you're up against lacks heat resistance so it might be arguable
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Stamina draining fire bullshit go!

Actually
Yknow what

I have realized I don’t got much hope, is it too late to bow out and let Adam move on?
 
DaReaperMan said:
Thrall ages to death the moment he uses his fear, man. Or goes catatonic! The literal only way for him to not fuckstomp Thrall is to never use Ren ever
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What makes it a ****stomp is when Meruem decides to use his Ren. If Meruem started with Ren in every situation at the first literal seconds, then yea it’d be a stomp, but that’s not what Meruem starts with In-Character. His go-to move is using En and Photons to give him a general layout of the area (since he has no ****ing clue what Central Park is), gains information about Thrall, and clears the distance and tries to one tap kill them or incapacitate using pressure points.

As said by Phoeneks, matches have to be thought of as multiple different battles instead of just one. The multiple different actions Meruem takes can be split into percentiles to determine how likely it is for Thrall to win, because all he needs is a 5% chance to win against Meruem for Meruem to be eligible to join the tourney.

Let’s suppose that Meruem is equally as likely to start with Ren as he is to start with En and Photons. Right off of the bat, Thrall has a 50% chance to lose immediately, but in the other 50% Thrall can still put up a fight. In the remaining 50% chance, I’ve already described what Meruem would do: increase his Nen and clear the distance to knock out Thrall with pressure points.

With both combatants moving towards each other, with Thrall occasionally using Lightning Strikes and Earth Manipulation in areas where he knows civilians aren’t in and Meruem firing invisible Rage Blasts towards Thrall, it would be highly unlikely for Thrall to die given that his Pain Tolerance and Durability would let him tough it out. Because of that, I won’t change the chances at all.

Let’s assume again, that for whatever random reason Meruem is equally as likely to use Ren on Thrall as he is to engage in close-quarters-combat. This makes it a 75% chance for Thrall to immediately lose. In the remaining 25% chance, Meruem would engage in close-quarters-combat and try to figure out Thrall’s rhythm. This basically leads back to the situation I described earlier where Meruem would be confused as to how Thrall is creating magical effects without the use of Nen, thus increasing the time it takes for Meruem to figure out Thrall’s rhythm. During that time Thrall has the ability to use Earth Crush Ggs, or just Air Manipulation + Earth Crush Ggs if Meruem is flying.

And to place a final cap on the bottle, let’s say Meruem randomly decides to use Ren because the DM rolled a 51 on the percentage die. For a grand total of a 12.5% chance for Thrall to win, Meruem more than passes the criteria for entry into the tournament.

Really, it should be a 50% chance for Thrall, because if Meruem decides not to use Ren, he simply wouldn’t use it for the entire fight.
 
Catbowtie said:
What makes it a ****stomp is when Meruem decides to use his Ren. If Meruem started with Ren in every situation at the first literal seconds, then yea it’d be a stomp, but that’s not what Meruem starts with In-Character. His go-to move is using En and Photons to give him a general layout of the area (since he has no ****ing clue what Central Park is), gains information about Thrall, and clears the distance and tries to one tap kill them or incapacitate using pressure points.

As said by Phoeneks, matches have to be thought of as multiple different battles instead of just one. The multiple different actions Meruem takes can be split into percentiles to determine how likely it is for Thrall to win, because all he needs is a 5% chance to win against Meruem for Meruem to be eligible to join the tourney.

Let’s suppose that Meruem is equally as likely to start with Ren as he is to start with En and Photons. Right off of the bat, Thrall has a 50% chance to lose immediately, but in the other 50% Thrall can still put up a fight. In the remaining 50% chance, I’ve already described what Meruem would do: increase his Nen and clear the distance to knock out Thrall with pressure points.

With both combatants moving towards each other, with Thrall occasionally using Lightning Strikes and Earth Manipulation in areas where he knows civilians aren’t in and Meruem firing invisible Rage Blasts towards Thrall, it would be highly unlikely for Thrall to die given that his Pain Tolerance and Durability would let him tough it out. Because of that, I won’t change the chances at all.

Let’s assume again, that for whatever random reason Meruem is equally as likely to use Ren on Thrall as he is to engage in close-quarters-combat. This makes it a 75% chance for Thrall to immediately lose. In the remaining 25% chance, Meruem would engage in close-quarters-combat and try to figure out Thrall’s rhythm. This basically leads back to the situation I described earlier where Meruem would be confused as to how Thrall is creating magical effects without the use of Nen, thus increasing the time it takes for Meruem to figure out Thrall’s rhythm. During that time Thrall has the ability to use Earth Crush Ggs, or just Air Manipulation + Earth Crush Ggs if Meruem is flying.

And to place a final cap on the bottle, let’s say Meruem randomly decides to use Ren because the DM rolled a 51 on the percentage die. For a grand total of a 12.5% chance for Thrall to win, Meruem more than passes the criteria for entry into the tournament.

Really, it should be a 50% chance for Thrall, because if Meruem decides not to use Ren, he simply wouldn’t use it for the entire fight.
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And has Meruem not used Ren?

Also, you probably do not recall but I do, Meruem once upon a time beat Illidan, in both skill and hax. Thrall is both less skilled than Illidan and cannot turn people into sheep. If he gets close, Thrall loses, while Thrall might hit him at range, it's nothing that will kill Meruem and he prefers Melee before mixing in his shamanistic abilities.
 
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