Reaper hates life: 7-A tiersetter tournament

[DaReaperMan]

Reaper, what the hell is a tournament?​

A bunch of people submit characters that I then have a short debate on whether they beat the tiersetter or not, rinse and repeat until full list of 16 or 32(depending on popularity) is found, where I then set up a non-seeded tournament where I basically spin a picker wheel on who goes where for each stage of the tournament. This goes on in matches until a winner is found.

What's A Tiersetter?​

Instead of giving stat ranges, arbitrarily listing hax that isn't allowed, or trying to eyeball which profiles to disqualify as per usual, I'll aim to make matches fair by listing a character which each submission has to have a chance of losing to. If a character is initially argued as risking a loss to the tiersetter, but is later reasoned to be stronger in a way that'd have them consistently beat the tiersetter, they will be disqualified from the tournament. Can't really modify this from Agnaa's version in his tournament because his explanation was spot-on.

The tiersetter is Warchief of the Horde Thrall. I will explain how he handles himself below.

The full list of rules ol' Reaper has for ya​

• Obviously, entries need to be able to lose to Thrall. Consider this a low chance in the single digit percentiles on either side, roughly 5% because that's a good number for Agnaa's tournament so it's good for mine.
• This match against Thrall will be under SBA with speed equal assumed, thus making them start 4 kilometers away.
• The small chance of losing shouldn't be via something out of character or coincidence. AKA, if they occasionally lose against the tiersetter, they should be in. If they delete Thrall from SBA range but sometimes might pull out another hax, that doesn't count towards losing the match occasionally. This also shouldn't be via an ability with random chance.
• Might be a 7-A tournament, but if you can feasibly get beat by Thrall, that character can be in no matter if they're 10-C or 7-B.
• Characters should not be submitted that are undergoing revisions that have a non-negligible chance of impacting their matches. Don't bring a character you or someone else plans on reworking in the near future.
• My priority of submissions is as follows: New verse and user>New user same verse>Same user new verse>Same user Same Verse

Match Rules​

• Matches are by SBA with speed equal unless specifically requested otherwise(For instance, prep given to one character.)
• If a match has dragged on, for the sake of the tournament I can conclude a winner. If one side is clearly winning but we can't muster 7 votes for them, I'll have them pass on.
• In the event of an Inconclusive, both characters pass on, if this happens in finals I flip a coin.

QnA​

Question: How does Thrall act in battle?​

Thrall from SBA range is going to be striking at the opponent, likely with earth-based attacks since that's what he can do without having literal lightning strike. Rinse and repeat until he gets close enough to start mixing in magma, air, and eventually Melee into the mix.

Question: Can my character lose really hard to the tiersetter?

Yes, but they may have lower priority than a character who doesn't have their skull turned into paste by Doomhammer.

Question: What happens if my character is disqualified?

In the first round, I just DQ them and pull from the backlog of characters, or if that's run out, I use one of my own. In any subsequent round though, the one they beat is brought into the fray instead.

Accepted Submissions:​

1. Hulk (Marvel Cinematic Universe) (Submitted by @Arkansalter2)
2. Kikaider 01 (Submitted by @ZeedKZ)
3. The Drifter (Hyper Light Drifter) (Submitted by @Jerry59)
4. Adam (RoR) (Submitted by @Razor)
5. Panda (Tekken) (Submitted by @Ebihara)
6. Xiao (Project Moon) (Submitted by @Topaz404)
7. Asa Mitaka (Submitted by @Arkenis)
8. Janperson (Submitted by @Minaaaa)
9. The Adversary (Princess) (Submitted by @Eden_Warlock99)
10. Nyan (OPM) (Submitted by @Kachon123)
11. Boboiboy (Submitted by @Greatsage13th)
12. Pikachu (Submitted by @koopa3144)
13. Budo (Submitted by @YmTheSuper)
14. Adam (HH) (Submitted by @Da3ggman)
15. Traveler (Genshin Impact) (Submitted by @Naito-desu)
16. Yoriichi Tsugikuni (Submitted by @Catbowtie)

Backup submissions:​

1. Gildedguy (Submitted by @Psychomaster35)
2. Kamen Rider W (Submitted by @Shadowslash125)
3. Player (Elemental Battlegrounds) (Submitted by @Arkansalter2)
4. Pri-Pri-Prisoner (Submitted by @Kachon123)
5. Leone (Submitted by @YmTheSuper)

Matches and rounds:​

Round 1:​

R1M1: Yoriichi vs BoBoiBoy (Yoriichi DQ'd): Gildedguy vs BoBoiBoy​

R1M2: Panda vs Drifter! (Drifter Win)​

R1M3: Hulk vs Budo (Budo Stomp)​

R1M4: Adversary vs Janperson (Janperson win)​

R1M5: Nyan vs Traveler! (Nyan win)​

R1M6: Asa Mitaka vs Pikachu (Pikachu DQ'd): Asa Mitaka vs Kamen Rider W (W stomp)​

R1M7: Adam (HH) vs Kikaider (Kikaider W)​

R1M8: Adam (RoR) vs Xiao (Project moon) (Xiao Concede)​

 

[Agnaa]

IT'S HAPPENING

 

[Arkansalter2]

I have no 7-A Johns so gimme a second...
Me fighting the urge to submit any OPM character...


Alright I'm going basic. Gimme MCU Hulk.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I have no 7-A Johns so gimme a second...
Me fighting the urge to submit any OPM character...

You'd have to find one that doesn't gagglefuck Thrall lol

Alright I'm going basic. Gimme MCU Hulk.

Approved, obviously

 

[Tllmbrg]

For the love of
Why can these tournaments never be for tiers I actually have characters in?

 

[Arkansalter2]

You'd have to find one that doesn't gagglefuck Thrall lol

The only one that I can actually find is Metal Bat. Damn well not doing Atomic Samurai or the MCs and I have no idea who the rest of these folks are.

 

[DaReaperMan]

For the love of
Why can these tournaments never be for tiers I actually have characters in?

Might be a 7-A tournament, but if you can feasibly get beat by Thrall, that character can be in no matter if they're 10-C or 7-B.

Submit away, just preferably use someone with some dura neg lol

 

[Arkansalter2]

For the love of
Why can these tournaments never be for tiers I actually have characters in?

Just need a 9-A, 8-C, or High 7-C tournament.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Don't think sans stomps Thrall.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Not submitting my guys (I'm taking a break this time), just checking in for whether Hibiki and Gold Xtreme W would be viable for this tourney.
Armed Hibiki does get half of his kit resisted by Thrall like we mentioned in the past, tho his two layer sound game is still dangerous.
W literally had google search engine in their brain so they have all the knowledge at their disposal immediately.
Just asking. Don't add my submissions If you really want to, put them at backup.
Just know that I'm not participating this time round (unless all the other bros get DQed)

 

[DaReaperMan]

Don't think sans stomps Thrall.

Sans telporting in completely murders Thrall no questions asked. KARMA isn't considered soul-based dura neg so Thrall doesn't resist it

 

[Minaaaa]

How about Spielban

 

[DaReaperMan]

Not submitting my guys (I'm taking a break this time), just checking in for whether Hibiki and Gold Xtreme W would be viable for this tourney.
Armed Hibiki does get half of his kit resisted by Thrall like we mentioned in the past, tho his two layer sound game is still dangerous.
W literally had google search engine in their brain so they have all the knowledge at their disposal immediately.
Just asking. Don't add my submissions If you really want to, put them at backup.
Just know that I'm not participating this time round (unless all the other bros get DQed)

If you don't want to debate this time around I'm not adding them in backup unless you want to risk it lmfao

 

[Arkansalter2]

I refuse to submit my precious John EBG knowing that he'll merely tickle Thrall and the contenders.
I don't even think that any of my robloxians are any higher than high 7-C sadly.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Wait does he have Shaman powers here? Or is it literally just base Thrall?

 

[Topaz404]

You know i have to come and plague you, Reaper, as you have done mine tournament
Anyways
Xiao. Project Moon character that should be able to hold her own but wont totally murder Thrall. Was gonna suggest Binah, but Binah murders all the same

 

[ZeedKZ]

I'll submit Kikaider 01, if he is fine to go.

 

[Shadowslash125]

If you don't want to debate this time around I'm not adding them in backup unless you want to risk it lmfao

For the moment, check if they make it past the cut. I can't have a say if they don't meet the tiersetter requirements in the first place.
I'll decide if I want it as a backup soon it enough.

 

[DaReaperMan]

How about Spielban

Considering he can snipe with a 1 million degree laser I don't think Thrall can win in a 5% margin unless he just doesn't use it

Wait does he have Shaman powers here? Or is it literally just base Thrall?

The Warchief has Shaman power yeah, but You're looking at pretty much low hax stuff over all.

You know i have to come and plague you, Reaper, as you have done mine tournament
Anyways
Xiao. Project Moon character that should be able to hold her own but wont totally murder Thrall. Was gonna suggest Binah, but Binah murders all the same

How does Thrall Not crush her skull again? He's 7-A, has good heat resistance, and may as well be considered immune to fire.

I'll submit Kikaider 01, if he is fine to go.

I don't see anything particularly ***** about him, so second key is in.

For the moment, check if they make it past the cut. I can't have a say if they don't meet the tiersetter requirements in the first place.
I'll decide if I want it as a backup soon it enough.

I know they do because they're starting 4 kilometers away and out of range and Thrall isn't shy about killing(Unless that sound manip reaches like a kilometer in which case only Golden does)

 

[Topaz404]

How does Thrall Not crush her skull again? He's 7-A, has good heat resistance, and may as well be considered immune to fire.

Grade 1 Fixer skill bullshit, plus E.G.O. Whats the heat on Ragnaros? (Xiao's EGO fire should be on the same level (if not surpasses) the Firebirds, which i think is around 1600F just by merely existing)

I mean

at least it aint the BS mindhax

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Oh in that case, Mori Dan

First key

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Sans telporting in completely murders Thrall no questions asked. KARMA isn't considered soul-based dura neg so Thrall doesn't resist it

A shame. What about The Princess? I don’t have the clearest read on Thrall’s character, but that second quote doesn’t make him seem overconfident in the slightest. That alone should let the Princess hang around for a while against him.

The Princess' whole schtick is that she becomes the threat you perceive her to be. If you think she’s weak, she remains weak, but the moment you even entertain the idea that she might be powerful, she becomes powerful. If one starts to believe she’s an unstoppable monster, they've already lost, because that belief itself makes her one.

This extends even to stray thoughts.
Just the suspicion that she may have a weapon gave her a weapon she didn't have, the tiniest thought that she was immortal made her completely and irreversibly immortal. Even killing her isn’t simple, as she only stays dead if her opponent fully believes she is dead. If there’s even a shred of doubt, she’s still alive.

This also creates a snowball effect, the longer the fight goes on, the more likely you are to see her as a bigger threat, and in turn, she becomes a bigger threat.
Worse, because she can talk to her opponent, she can influence how they think about her.

The Den or Adversary versions should work best for fights, me think.

 

[Jerry59]

Submitting Drifter my goat.

 

[Ebihara]

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Bear panda might be a better pick but they are realllllly similar

edit: ya use panda instead there page is alot better and they are basically the same character.

 

[Razor]

Submitting Adam, if he's too powerful Kojiro instead.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Grade 1 Fixer skill bullshit, plus E.G.O. Whats the heat on Ragnaros? (Xiao's EGO fire should be on the same level (if not surpasses) the Firebirds, which i think is around 1600F just by merely existing)

I mean

at least it aint the BS mindhax

Thrall can exist around Rag. Who's 15 million degrees Celcius. Yeah the degree he's taking said heat is way lower to where I don't think his heat resistance is a million degrees Celcius, but it is definitely higher than less than a thousand degrees celcius. she CAN be in, just don't expect her to be winning too much.

A shame. What about The Princess? I don’t have the clearest read on Thrall’s character, but that second quote doesn’t make him seem overconfident. That alone should let the Princess hang around for a while against him.

The Den or Adversary versions should work best for fights, me think.

Princess' fear stuff doesn't reach 4 KM right? Though, considering her regen and type 2 in Adversary, and the fact she's warping the world in Den/Beast, I don't think those two are exactly the keys we want to toy around with not gagglefucking Thrall(Espeically because he'd certainly overestimate beast and get stomped because of that). I'd personally go for Thorn so she's not about to seem stronger than an average witch to him, but can still absolutely hold her own in this tourney.

Submitting Drifter my goat.

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Kuma

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Bear panda might be a better pick but they are realllllly similar

Pick one lol

Submitting Adam, if he's too powerful Kojiro instead.

I love how the guy who can't be hit by Thrall was your second choice. Adam is fine. I think.

 

[Ebihara]

Pick one lol

go with panda, there page is slightly better done.

 

[Topaz404]

Thrall can exist around Rag. Who's 15 million degrees Celcius. Yeah the degree he's taking said heat is way lower to where I don't think his heat resistance is a million degrees Celcius, but it is definitely higher than less than a thousand degrees celcius.

Hm, i see. Yeah i think Xiao's biggest wincon without getting instantly clobbered is just general skill stuff- which is kind of a pain in the arse to debate. Would she work, or would i need to find someone else?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Hm, i see. Yeah i think Xiao's biggest wincon without getting instantly clobbered is just general skill stuff- which is kind of a pain in the arse to debate. Would she work, or would i need to find someone else?

She gets stomped pretty well by Thrall(Cause she's tier 8 and he's tier 7), but Due to her heat being semi-decent I'm willing to let her in. Just don't expect her to get far.

 

[Topaz404]

She gets stomped pretty well by Thrall(Cause she's tier 8 and he's tier 7), but Due to her heat being semi-decent I'm willing to let her in. Just don't expect her to get far.

Awesome, thanks- and hey, you never know. Things can happen

 

[Arkansalter2]

She gets stomped pretty well by Thrall(Cause she's tier 8 and he's tier 7), but Due to her heat being semi-decent I'm willing to let her in. Just don't expect her to get far.

Well since theres tier 8s and 7-Cs in here now, I'm willing to submit John EBG as a backup. I won't expect him to get far but lolol.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Ok put Gold Xtreme in the backup sub for the moment.
It gives the other tourney participants the notion that a Kamen Rider will join and make things even more interesting if they even think about submitting a character that will inevitably get DQed.
If anyone else wants to add him fully, be my guest.
Also can one person submit more than one participant like Agnaa's tourney?

 

[Shadowslash125]

Oh in that case, Mori Dan

First key

Also this reaper.

 

[Razor]

I love how the guy who can't be hit by Thrall was your second choice. Adam is fine. I think.

Are you sure about Adam? He can copy almost any ability and throw it back better (tho not sure if thats how the wiki treats his ability judging from his profile). Sasaki at least needs to scan first before his analytical prediction kicks in.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Well since theres tier 8s and 7-Cs in here now, I'm willing to submit John EBG as a backup. I won't expect him to get far but lolol.

I was about to start grilling you on haxes but Thrall slams him.

Ok put Gold Xtreme in the backup sub for the moment.
It gives the other tourney participants the notion that a Kamen Rider will join and make things even more interesting if they even think about submitting a character that will inevitably get DQed.
If anyone else wants to add him fully, be my guest.
Also can one person submit more than one participant like Agnaa's tourney?

Yes.

Are you sure about Adam? He can copy almost any ability and throw it back better (tho not sure if thats how the wiki treats his ability judging from his profile). Sasaki at least needs to scan first before his analytical prediction kicks in.

He can only do that to divine beings. Thrall isn't divine. So Adam gets a good chunk of the park folded onto him.

Oh in that case, Mori Dan

First key

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[Arkansalter2]

I was about to start grilling you on haxes

For future reference, his haxes aren't really hax. They're just elements and skills. They're not what one thinks on paper. But sure.

 

[Razor]

He can only do that to divine beings. Thrall isn't divine. So Adam gets a good chunk of the park folded onto him.

Huh, the original translation said he could copy anything including techniques from the gods, but its what in the profiles so it is what it is. Would adam's MFTL+, possibily infinite speed be equalized or would his FTL value be equalized instead? Depending on the answer, I might change my submission.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Princess' fear stuff doesn't reach 4 KM right? Though, considering her regen and type 2 in Adversary, and the fact she's warping the world in Den/Beast, I don't think those two are exactly the keys we want to toy around with not gagglefucking Thrall(Espeically because he'd certainly overestimate beast and get stomped because of that). I'd personally go for Thorn so she's not about to seem stronger than an average witch to him, but can still absolutely hold her own in this tourney.

Some clarifications:

• The fear stuff is mostly exclusive to her Nightmare version. It’s listed under the Base Princess' Subjective Reality mostly because if her opponent ever believes she has it, she could potentially gain it, but you know, that’d be incredibly unlikely.
• The Adversary Regen and Immortality aren’t innate either. She can start with them if we choose, but typically, she’s just the most confident and battle-hungry version of herself. She does BELIEVE she’s immortal, but if Thrall doesn’t entertain that idea, she won’t come back.
• As for The Den, she does force the battlefield into a forest and can make her surrounding area pitch black, but that's really the extent of her world warping. Keep in mind that The Beast doesn’t have the pitch-black effect and all she'll really do is turn her close surroundings into a jungle.
• The Thorn isn’t really much of a fighter, she’s stuck in place, can't attack with her vines and said vines are her only means of defense. And even then, don't think vines will do well against, ya know, magma.
• The Witch does fight us in-game, but her main tactic is using underhanded moves and playing "nice" to backstab us, and the fact she isn't all that threatening might just end up leaving her 9-C since most probably won't take her as too much of a threat. But she can work if need be.

 

[Minaaaa]

Considering he can snipe with a 1 million degree laser I don't think Thrall can win in a 5% margin unless he just doesn't use it

Dang, how about Jiban?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Dang, how about Jiban?

At least Thrall can dodge that... in.

Some clarifications:

• The fear stuff is mostly exclusive to her Nightmare version. It’s listed under the Base Princess' Subjective Reality mostly because if her opponent ever believes she has it, she could potentially gain it, but you know, that’d be incredibly unlikely.

fair

• The Adversary Regen and Immortality aren’t innate either. She can start with them if we choose, but typically, she’s just the most confident and battle-hungry version of herself. She does BELIEVE she’s immortal, but if Thrall doesn’t entertain that idea, she won’t come back.

also fair

• As for The Den, she does force the battlefield into a forest and can make her surrounding area pitch black, but that's really the extent of her world warping. Keep in mind that The Beast doesn’t have the pitch-black effect and all she'll really do is turn her close surroundings into a jungle.

RW is pretty rare in WoW, so yeah it'd probably spook Thrall

• The Thorn isn’t really much of a fighter, she’s stuck in place, can't attack with her vines and said vines are her only means of defense. And even then, don't think vines will do well against, ya know, magma.

fair

• The Witch does fight us in-game, but her main tactic is using underhanded moves and playing "nice" to backstab us, and the fact she isn't all that threatening might just end up leaving her 9-C since most probably won't take her as too much of a threat. But she can work if need be.

also fair, so Adversary?