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Wait but both have daddy issues.
Yamato hates Kaidou and Sarada was "abandoned" by her father
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Yamato (One Piece) vs Sarada
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Yamato hates Kaidou and Sarada was "abandoned" by her father
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For now I think Sarada will win. You can write me as voted for Sarada
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Sarada FRA.
Side note; I know is not usable here, but her Mangekyo seems OP, and it will get crazier feats later on.
Side note; I know is not usable here, but her Mangekyo seems OP, and it will get crazier feats later on.
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Grace
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Plenty of things in fiction can work despite loss of consciousness but that doesn't stop Itachi or other Genjutsu users from getting a billion and a half wins on this website with Genjutsu alone. Make a CRT if you want to make Kenbun bypass Genjutsu when even Ultra Instinct Goku, someone who actually has non conscious, sixth-sense based instinctive reaction, gets insta negged by Itachi staring lovingly into his eyes
also Yamato doesn't resist sleep inducement, it's not on her profile. Conquerer's Haki isn't sleep inducement
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anyways, despite my various arguments against @Kachon123, I'm still voting Yamato for the reasons I listed above. Any attempt to use Genjutsu -> Chidori just makes Yamato wake up out of pain and blitz the shit out of Sarada before she has a chance to reapply the Genjutsu
Y'all forgetting that Hybrid forms provide a speed increase, as well as Thunder Bagua, which Thunder Bagua alone can blitz characters comparable to themselves (Kaidou almost blitzed Luffy with it despite the latter seeing into the future to dodge it)
Y'all forgetting that Hybrid forms provide a speed increase, as well as Thunder Bagua, which Thunder Bagua alone can blitz characters comparable to themselves (Kaidou almost blitzed Luffy with it despite the latter seeing into the future to dodge it)
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what are the arguments for Sarada again? cuz so far I see nothing
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Sarada wouldn't even need to kill her with Chidori, she can just incap with GJ and leave her in it for a SBA match.
Sharingan lets you track blitz-level amps pretty comfortably.
The 2T Sharingan is required to use stuff like Chidori that forces you to move too fast to make adjustments without it.
Let alone the 3T, which took 2T Kid Sauce from getting blitzed by KN0 Nard to comfortably reading his every move before he makes one.
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Can Sarada just throw her at a volcano and that's it? I mean, that's how Kaido got defeated and he has more durability, so there are ways besides Chidori to beat her after she's under genjutsu.
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Unlikely, but Genjutsu allows to move the opponents real body however she wants, so Sarada could ask Yamato to go back to her human form, heck could go as far as to ask her to kill herself or knock herself out, drown herself ect.
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Not volcano, but magma is found at various depths in the Earth's crust, and she is good at crushing the earth like her mother lol.where's she gonna get a volcano
Indeed, she can make Yamato hurt herself with her own AP, like Naruto did to 3rd Raikage but with genjutsu.
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Sarada never does this in character, she uses Genjutsu to f*ck with someone before finishing them off with something else
the problem is that Yamato has 2 blitz level amps: first is transforming in the first place, and second is Thunder Bagua. Not to mention, just because the Sharingan lets you track blitz level amps doesn't mean your body can keep up with it. Sarada can prob see it coming and dodge in turn but not only is that speculative in the first place due to the degree of Yamato's amps, but she has to dodge a LOT of stuff
Not to mention, Thunder Bagua can blitz Luffy, someone with actual precognition several seconds in advance, so saying the Sharingan giving you better reaction time can dodge it as well is still speculative
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Sarada has never done this in character. All she's really done with her Sharingan (pre Mangekyo) is illusions and breaking out of Genjutsu. She's literally never used it to mind control someone to this degree.
Every time she's used Genjutsu, she uses it to make an illusion -> put an opponent in a bad spot -> dispel the illusion -> hit someone really hard/set up a trap, and in that situation, if she hits Yamato really hard, Yamato will either:
1. survive the hit and just hit her back and Sarada dies
2. just dodge with Kenbun cuz Sarada is stupid and dispels Genjutsu at the dumbest times cuz of plot I guess (I'm serious, the only time she's successfully used Genjutsu in a combat situation (vs Buntan) she dispelled the Jutsu after she finished her trap, in which Yamato can just... kenbun lmao), and then Yamato hits her and Sarada dies
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I mean if she Chidoris and it doesn’t work she just looks at her again and reapplies the GJ.
Or she has Yamato detransform the first time since the form made it harder for Sarada to damage her.
Tracks isn’t the right word mb
bc it lets you fight ppl that are blitz levels higher
3T Sasuke went from getting blitzed to comfortably beating Naruto’s ass with the amp
And 2T covers regular blitz level amps via being required to use Chidori/Raikiri.
So it’s kinda like Base Sarada < Blitz level amp (Chidori) < 2T Sharingan < Blitz Level amp < 3T Sharingan
3T lets you see several moves ahead as visual images.
While the application is different, both effectively allow you to know what your opponent is going to do several steps ahead of when they actually do it.
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Can I add this to the profiles?
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She can't do that before Yamato just mollywhops her with a Thunder Bagua
or just... Conquerers and blasts her away
This requires insane mind control, something she never does in character
Sharingan gives you a huge stats buff after unlocking it. It's on Sasuke's profile
AFTER unlocking it, your new base stats are what you got from unlocking it.
Speed equalization means that Sarada's base is on par with Yamato's
Sarada's reaction speed is buffed with the 3 Tomoe Sharingan. Yamato's reaction speed AND actual speed are buffed with Transformations and Thunder Bagua. Sarada can't actually physically react to Yamato's speed even if she could follow it
Sharingan description:
The user is granted incredible clarity of perception, enabling them to read lips or mimic something like pencil movements. Sasuke Uchiha's Sharingan was even able to see on a cellular level. In combat, this allows them to see fast-moving objects and, once fully developed, offers some amount of predictive capabilities: they can anticipate an opponent's next move based on the slightest muscle tension in their body and act accordingly to dodge or intercept. They can also read the enemy's hand seals to give them an insight of the performed technique's nature, regardless of the speed of performance, so long as the hands are not physically hidden from view. Although a Sharingan user can see these things, they also need the physical ability to actually act on the visual information. In the anime, it is shown that with advanced enough prowess, via eye contact, the user can even enter the target's mind to look through their memories, and even erase them within a long range for several targets.
The Sharingan "predicts the future" through anticipation and calculations, and really only works in the moment since it relies on seeing what the enemy is actively doing and predicting what they're about to do based on that, similar to how Dyspo in DB Super can predict Hit's time skip by hearing when his muscles vibrate.
Advanced Kenbun straight up sees the future, no strings attached, no actions or predictions needed, and it's for several seconds at a time. Luffy in the Udon Prison saw the future and guided Hyougoro on what he needed to dodge for a full half minute completely accurately, yet he was still blitzed by Thunder Bagua
Not to mention how a sharingan user still "needs the physical ability to actually act on the visual information", which Sarada cannot
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I'd appreciate it if you didn't, the debate is still ongoing
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Would Genjutsu's paralysis and body control even work on Yamato? Haki has layered resistance against this. Yamato learned how to fight by fighting Kaidou for years and has been using Conqueror's Haki casually since she was 8 years old.
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This still doesn't really compare to the blitz amp that a Thunder Bagua provides.
The base level of Kenbun covers perception blitz amps shown when Rebecca's allowed her to react to and dodge Hakuba's attacks which perception blitzed everyone else in the arena. (Base Cavendish was already faster than Rebecca)
Kenbun gets more sensitive the more its trained and Boa Sandersonia is one of the best Kenbun users in Amazon Lily, an Island of Haki-trained warriors where strength and Haki potency are seen as a directly correlated to beauty.
Sandersonia was already much faster than base Luffy got blitzed and could not react to his Gear 2nd amp even when using Kenbun.
Future Sight can let someone who is relative to Gear 2nd see attacks 4x faster than it in slow motion.
Thunder Bagua blitzes Future Sight.
Base < Blitz level amp (Hakuba) < Base Kenbun < Honed Kenbun < Blitz level amp (Gear 2nd) < Blitz level amp (Snakeman) < Future Sight < Blitz level amp < Thunder Bagua
And then slap on the speed amp that Yamato gains from going into her Zoan form an the precog that her Haki gives her, Yamato takes speed every time.
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I doubt. Sharingan body control is a side effect of the mind control. That seems more like puppetry. This also seems pretty important to not be on the haki page.
I don't think anyone here is claiming sarada takes speed . That was just a response that she definitely doesn't get blitzed
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Nope, it's mind control as well. It's why the pacifista are also capable of using their own biological abilities. She's controlling their minds and their bodies.
And mine was an argument as to why she would. Someone who was actively seeing several seconds into the future couldn't dodge it.
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"Biological abilities". That's still easily covered by body control. I see no evidence of mind control
Huh? The person couldn't dodge coz she was faster. Speed is equalised here .
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She's overriding the will of the target and specifically the hierarchy of the Vegapunk's authority chips. It's body control from mind control. She's capable of controlling animals and pacifying them to being like pets as well. It's not just puppeteering. Their demeanor and personality change as well.
I'm aware. Someone with faster speed amps plus who could see several seconds into the future could not avoid Thunder Bagua and still got blitzed so there's no reason to assume Sarada wouldn't.
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1. I'm not that caught up so let's say I agree with you, why is this not on the haki page, what stage of conquerors haki is she using and like who resisted it?
2. If the person had faster speed amps then they would have in fact dodged it so no they didn't. She has an attack that blitzes people comparable to her, that's cool. 2 tomoe covers that, 3 tomoe is a step further and chidori is even further. No one is getting blitzed here
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It is, it is an ability that falls under the devil fruit ones, and is even stated by Oda to be empowered by Haki. It's what allowed her to override the layers of mind control Vegapunk had over them.
This just isn't true. Base Kenbun can dodge perception blitz amps, and that Kenbun can't dodge Gear 2. Future Sight can dodge attacks with 4x the blitz of Gear 2, and Thunder Bagua blitzes that. All in speed equalized scenarios.
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1. I'm talking about the resistance not the ability itself. I mean who resisted her ability?
2. So I didn't miss anything. 2 blitz amps which both 2 and 3 tomoe cover. I'm not seeing anyone blitzing anyone here. Also if she blitzed someone 4times faster than herself then shouldn't it be on her profile? Like she should be around 5c no?
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Oh, Bluegrass? She a Vice Admiral with inferior Haki to characters like Yamato who has advanced conqueror's.
Yamato doesn't have future sight, Katakuri does and it's on his profile. Kaidou blitzed Luffy's future sight in his base with Thunder Bagua even though they were relative otherwise, this is on his profile. Yamato matched the speed amp of Kaidou's Thunder Bagua with her own when their bases were relative, this is on her profile.
2 and 3 tomoe do not cover this amp. Chidori (which 2 tomoe scales to) does not have any feats of bridging the gap of a perception blitz, which standard Kenbun does.
Far superior Kenbun to baseline menbun (which is similar to the gap between 2 and 3 tomoe itself) got blitzed by Gear 2. Thunder Bagua is an amp much bigger than even that.
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Can you elaborate on this? Do you mena Bluegrass controlling the Pacifista and overriding it means that Bluegrass' Haki > the body control and paralysis the Pacifista is under? But Bluegrass' ability is a Devil Fruit, not a product of her Haki.
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Oda stated that the ability works on anything below the potency of her Haki.
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You mean this?
I interpret that to mean anything that is "within range of her Haki" as in the physical range; if her Haki can touch it then she can use it as a vehicle. Not that if any living thing or object is weaker than her Haki.
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1. Well so it doesn't have enough layers to pose a factor. Sarada has at least 2layers.
2. Sasuke could not see haku move at all before but then when he unlocked just 1 tomoe he started seeing him and reacting. That is a clear perception blitz covered. 2 and 3 tomoe are even higher. No matter how you're spinning this I'm not seeing the blitz anywhere. Also chidori is not limited to 2 tomoe. As you get stronger and faster and as your sharingan develops your chidori gets faster too. Final valley sasuke chidori isn't same as chuunin exams
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