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It's always on thanks to her cold air hagaromo scarf
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Yamato (One Piece) vs Sarada
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When she's in hybrid form
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Which she has no reason not to go into. She went into it against Sasaki.
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Because she was told not to fight. She was protecting Momo and Shinobu. You're not going to argue in good faith that a Zoan user won't use their Zoan ability in a fight.
Haki is a different sense that Genjutsu doesn't effect.
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Using an ability means you can use that ability ngl.
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Didn't use it against Ulti either. The gap between them isn't big at all so I don't think that Yamato would 100% go into zoan before Sarada gets her with Genjutsu or Chidori
I'm not. I'm saying they don't start with it
Ah
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Ace was told by Marco that unless he can use Haki naturally, he can't even consider being a commander. Ace then went on to train to be able to use Buso and specifically Kenbun. This Ace went on to fight Yamato to a complete standstill.
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ok @Kachon123 ik we're arguing for the same person but I gotta correct you on a few things
Not to mention characters within Naruto can't use chakra or even Senjutsu to sense things while under Genjutsu. Every single person in Naruto who is immune to Genjutsu has some way of directly BREAKING it, not ignoring it while it's still on you. Not to mention, Genjutsu completely incapacitates anyone under its influence through the use of paralysis/loss of consciousness, so she wouldn't even be able to take advantage of Kenbun even if she could use it
Untrue, she can't break through it immediately, but repeated Chidoris can
that's not a good example at all. She's just blocking attacks, how is that Kenbun?
except Yamato has no feats of using Kenbun at an intermediate level in the first place
Not to mention characters within Naruto can't use chakra or even Senjutsu to sense things while under Genjutsu. Every single person in Naruto who is immune to Genjutsu has some way of directly BREAKING it, not ignoring it while it's still on you. Not to mention, Genjutsu completely incapacitates anyone under its influence through the use of paralysis/loss of consciousness, so she wouldn't even be able to take advantage of Kenbun even if she could use it
except... he did have knowledge... he could sense his own body parts (just not their exact location) and he used Haki to determine if his body parts where in danger. People cut by the Op Op Fruit still retain full mobility and senses while cut. This doesn't give Kenbun users ultra ******* instinct
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You can not prove this. Yamato was parrying Ulti the entire time so it's arguable that she was. Especially when Ulti herself is someone who uses Kenbun naturally in combat.
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I'm not seeing where she's using haki here tbh
Genjutsu is also able to incap people with a sixth sense as well, not just the 5 senses.
Sure she does. Genjutsu would hamper her focus so she wouldn't be able to use Observation Haki effectively.
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I mean maybe? I mean Yamato already far upscales from her value, which is already above what Chidori scales to. Kenbun would also likely use its instinctive action to use Buso/Hao Infusion to defend. I mean this is the same attack that could partially defend a Thunder Bagua.
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It's significant enough for Yamato to not just get 1 shot by Chidori or even THAT hurt by it
Chopper's not
and yeah Kaku was hit by an Asura boosted Zoro who was far stronger. Jabra kinda reinforces my point that Zoan transformations are very difficult to forcefully cancel
For the sake of Two Blue Vortex I hope it's not cuz Boruto got alien dna bullshit to become 5B while Sarada has nothing lmao
but in this specific key I agree it's kinda speculative
issue is, once again, natural durability + ice armor prevents death, but it'll still HURT, which just breaks Yamato out of Genjutsu anyways cuz that's just how Genjutsu is. Yamato isn't dumb enough to allow that to happen again, and she has means of blitzing Sarada (Thunder Bagua) to prevent it
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I don't think it would? Kin'emon's first half was literally getting burned alive on top of a dragon while the other was fighting Brook.
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It doesn't seem passive at all? She activated it, she even says the name of the ability as it's being used right after they clash.
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...? The shield was there before the clash. That's why it cracked after. Because Kaidou's Thunder Bagua hit it. Yamato saying it after doesn't mean she used it after, that wouldn't even make sense.
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EVERYONE could sense Shanks post wano, Shanks straight up injected his Haki into Greenbull, who was standing right in front of them
and all of the Samurai with proven Haki feats could sense Greenbull, there's no explicit proof Yamato was also among them. She could have been like Momonosuke, who doesn't have Haki, but was likely informed by the others
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It's on as soon as she transforms
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It's piercing damage while she's in a Genjutsu not able to defend against it, it would definitely put a hole in her body.
That's fair.
Also fair.
Agreed.
It's psychological and mental damage, which is different from just fighting and fire damage.
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Momonosuke has Kenbunshoku Haki and used it several times throughout Wano.
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Yamato uses Kenbunshoku Haki fighting Kaidou as he uses Haoshoku Infusion.
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Even if that were the case, Yamato has absolutely bonkers stamina, like most characters in One Piece. She should be on par with or upscale from the likes of Katakuri, who shredded half his torso with his own spear and continued fighting on par with Snakeman Luffy
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Haoshoku Infusion let alone Haoshoku isn't even comparable to the effects that Genjutsu has - like they're not even the same.
Sharingan Genjutsu does more than just put the fear of God into people and knock them out.
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If we use verse equalization into this (Chakra = Haki) then Yamato can't even use Haki in the first place cuz Sharingan Genjutsu f*cks with ALL of that
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Kenbunshoku Haki enables instinctive action to activate Busoshoku Haki in moments of danger. Apoo’s reaction during his interaction with Guernica. Despite being caught off guard by a Finger Pistol attack, he instinctively used Buso Haki. As a result, what would have killed him was reduced to a flesh wound and he could get back up and continue fighting and even KO that same CP0 agent.
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Haki on the level of Yonko like Kaidou effect the people and objects around them. Causing literal injuries. On top of mental.
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I think I'll concede on the Ice Armor point. That'll definitely nerf alot of the damage Sarada does thanks to the Chidori.
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Kenbun works through loss of consciousness. Yamato herself also resists sleep inducement.
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Sure but that's not relevant to the comparison
Genjutsu still impacts the sixth sense so Yamato wouldn't be able counter with Haki. How does Yamato counter paralysis from Genjutsu?
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So uhhh... what's sarada's answer to ACoC?
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Haki ≠ Chakra.
Kenbun's instinctive action and Hao would counter paralysis. Kenbun also works while unconscious.
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? What's the relevance here
Genjutsu is able hamper Yamato's senses though. It's able to put sensory ninjas into genjutsu despite having a sixth sense.
Haki acts like a sixth sense allowing the user to sense things without having to use their sense. Yamato's unable to act within the illusion, so she's unable to fight back. And without knowing the mechanics of the Jutsu, she wouldn't be able to counter it.
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You're assuming Genjutsu would work on Yamato the same way it works on chakra-based beings. AFAIK Genjutsu manipulates chakra flow through the victim’s nervous system. Yamato has no chakra network to interfere with. Haki isn’t a 'sixth sense' in the same mechanical way—it's a spiritual force based on willpower and perception, not a substitute chakra system.
You mention sensory ninja being caught by Genjutsu despite their sixth sense—but again, those ninja have chakra, which is exactly what Genjutsu exploits. That’s not comparable to Haki users, especially someone like Yamato who has both Conqueror’s and Observation Haki. Conqueror’s Haki, in particular, has been shown to overpower mental pressure and even incapacitate others.
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Brother that is not how GJ works
Also, Chakra is just the physical and spiritual aspects of life force mixed into a new energy.
Even the ppl in Nard don’t have “chakra” flowing into their body at all times.
Just physical and spiritual energy that gets turned into chakra via a persons consciousness, soul, and every physical cell in their body.
If you’re a living and sentient being, you can be hit with GJ.
Even Edo can be affected and they have paper bodies with just souls attached to them.
And Bijuu which are just giant masses of solid chakra, with no chakra network.
Also GJ affects a persons chakra by affecting their senses.
There is no energy transferral required or anything.
Nor any indications that it’s being cast.
And Sharingan GJ is layered Mind Manip, bc it ignores your resistances to it.
If Yamato’s Kenbun doesn’t have layered Mind Manip resistance on the level of Sharingan GJ (she doesn’t) It will work on her and be able to incap.
Also, Chakra is just the physical and spiritual aspects of life force mixed into a new energy.
Even the ppl in Nard don’t have “chakra” flowing into their body at all times.
Just physical and spiritual energy that gets turned into chakra via a persons consciousness, soul, and every physical cell in their body.
If you’re a living and sentient being, you can be hit with GJ.
Even Edo can be affected and they have paper bodies with just souls attached to them.
And Bijuu which are just giant masses of solid chakra, with no chakra network.
Also GJ affects a persons chakra by affecting their senses.
There is no energy transferral required or anything.
Nor any indications that it’s being cast.
And Sharingan GJ is layered Mind Manip, bc it ignores your resistances to it.
If Yamato’s Kenbun doesn’t have layered Mind Manip resistance on the level of Sharingan GJ (she doesn’t) It will work on her and be able to incap.
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You have a misunderstanding of how Genjutsu works. Genjutsu simultaneously affects both spiritual and physical energies within the body. Physical energy + Spiritual energy = Chakra
Physical energy comes from the body's cells, which everyone has. Spiritual energy comes from the consciousness, which everyone has. As I understand it, everyone already had these two energies before Hagoromo came and spread ninshu into the world. All Hagoromo did was teach people how to connect their spiritual energies together, but people overtime learned to merge their spiritual energy with the physical energy to create chakra.
I bolded the top part because that's what Genjutsu targets. When Genjutsu is casted on a person, it's directly casted on that person's consciousness and body. It's why when you're put into a Sharingan Genjutsu BOTH are impacted because you're put into a mental trap, but also your body is unable to fight back. It's why sometimes different Genjutsu's have different effects on people depending on what they choose to target.
If you have a consciousness, if you have a body, which Yamato has both of, then she'll get inflicted by Sharingan's Genjutsu.
Haki is objectively a sixth sense. It senses the presences of others among other things. Naruto ninjas also can sense presences and chakras. How it's different doesn't matter because that difference doesn't make or break how Genjutsu impacts people regardless of if they have a sixth sense or not, as I laid out above.
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