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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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Btw regarding bleach's powernull system, should it be limited to only shinigamis? Since Aizen only stated battle between soul reapers where they can nullify abilities by just having higher Reiryoku
Doesn't work on other races like Quincies. An example is Askin effecting Ichigo, Uryu countering Yhwach's almighty and Pernida effecting Kenpachi
Doesn't work on other races like Quincies. An example is Askin effecting Ichigo, Uryu countering Yhwach's almighty and Pernida effecting Kenpachi
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Well true but for some reason, high tier hollows like Grimmjow doesn't have shinigami physiology listed
Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez
Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez (グリムジョー・ジャガージャック, Gurimujō Jagājakku?) is an Arrancar and was the Sexta (6th) Espada in Sōsuke Aizen's affiliated army. Tier: High 6-B, higher with Cero, 6-A with Gran Rey Cero, higher with Resurreccion, High 6-A with Cero Oscuras, higher with Gran Rey Cero, far higher with...
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Bleach: About the powernull system
Currently we have this in the soul physiology page Limited Power Nullification (Reiryoku can null the abilities and techniques of those massively weaker than the user) But notice the scan shows that it's just a battle between soul reapers? So the powernull should only apply to shinigamis by...
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I'm back from work and now I'm answering your questions
If you are talking about databook statements, they are not just the author's words. Character thoughts are also written. Since Yammy states that he sees himself as stronger than Nnoitra, Grimmjow and Uluqiorra, the same statement is written in the databook.
Apart from that, he is called the strongest because he is the 0th Espada. But Espada numbers are not only about power. Killing skills, Reiatsu, the type of death they represent, etc. For example, Grimmjow is the 6th Espada because 6 represents destruction. Grimmjow was not kicked out of Espada because he lost his arm and lost power. He was kicked out because he lost the arm that the number 6 was written on. Luppi Antenor, who replaced Grimmjow, also has the number 6. It was stated in the novel that those with the same number represent the same type of death. Dordoni, Halibel and Nel represent sacrifice. So Halibel being number 3 and Grimmjow being number 6 does not mean Halibel>Grimmjow. Grimmjow, Diaz who was thrown out of 1-Armed Espada, showed better feats than Yammy, Zommari, AA and Halibel.
So if you ask what proves Uluqiorra>Yammy:
1) Ichigo can damage Yammy even with his Hollow Mask form when he is nerfed. He can't even use hollow power properly. The proof that Shinigami powers are nerfed is that his suit is damaged, which is brought up when talking to Unohana. SE Uluqiorra's form can use all Arrancar powers and not just a mask on his face but his entire body is covered with hollow power. You can say that Yammy with the anti-feat here is not Prime Yammy. However, Espada number 0 appeared in this form. The strongest Espada statements were used just because he was Espada 0. He claimed to be stronger than Uluqiorra in this form. Grimmjow also claimed to be weaker than Base Uluqiorra but stronger than him. Nnoitra claimed that he was the best. We shouldn't care about the characters bragging about themselves.
2) In the novel, it was stated that Cien was superior to Yammy, and Cien destroyed the dome where the battle was held so that Roka wouldn't copy VL Ichigo and Uluqiorra's powers. He did this specifically by saying "did you think I forgot that?" He is the character who surpassed Starrk and Barragan, but he is afraid of the power of Espada number 4 and VL Ichigo. This alone shows that you shouldn't care about the number thing.
If you ask me, the numbers are only related to the type of death they represent. We can also think that Aizen lied to them and associated them with power.
3) In the Q&A on Kubo Outside, it was confirmed that the numbers are related to the type of death they represent.
He also writes statements like Grimmjow has surpassed his own race. We are sure that Barragan and Uluqiorra are stronger than Grimmjow, though.
4. The movie is considered non-canon in this wiki. But at least the Uluqiorra vs Vasto Lord fight can be considered canon. Kubo stated that he liked the Uluqiorra vs VL part of the movie and wanted to do it like that. I don't have the scan but as far as I remember he used the word "omission". If we use the movie version, it seems that they are more relative in the movie. But even without the movie, it can be upgraded to at least Cero and Lanza Del Relampago.
Also, going back to Uluqiorra vs Yammy, Uryu didn't change his mind about Uluqiorra when he saw Yammy. You could say that Uryu didn't see Yammy's final form, but considering that he's descending from the Dome, he will definitely see it. Mayuri also stayed there to work on Yammy's body
There is also evidence to the contrary of Yammy>Uluqiorra.
If you are talking about databook statements, they are not just the author's words. Character thoughts are also written. Since Yammy states that he sees himself as stronger than Nnoitra, Grimmjow and Uluqiorra, the same statement is written in the databook.
Apart from that, he is called the strongest because he is the 0th Espada. But Espada numbers are not only about power. Killing skills, Reiatsu, the type of death they represent, etc. For example, Grimmjow is the 6th Espada because 6 represents destruction. Grimmjow was not kicked out of Espada because he lost his arm and lost power. He was kicked out because he lost the arm that the number 6 was written on. Luppi Antenor, who replaced Grimmjow, also has the number 6. It was stated in the novel that those with the same number represent the same type of death. Dordoni, Halibel and Nel represent sacrifice. So Halibel being number 3 and Grimmjow being number 6 does not mean Halibel>Grimmjow. Grimmjow, Diaz who was thrown out of 1-Armed Espada, showed better feats than Yammy, Zommari, AA and Halibel.
So if you ask what proves Uluqiorra>Yammy:
1) Ichigo can damage Yammy even with his Hollow Mask form when he is nerfed. He can't even use hollow power properly. The proof that Shinigami powers are nerfed is that his suit is damaged, which is brought up when talking to Unohana. SE Uluqiorra's form can use all Arrancar powers and not just a mask on his face but his entire body is covered with hollow power. You can say that Yammy with the anti-feat here is not Prime Yammy. However, Espada number 0 appeared in this form. The strongest Espada statements were used just because he was Espada 0. He claimed to be stronger than Uluqiorra in this form. Grimmjow also claimed to be weaker than Base Uluqiorra but stronger than him. Nnoitra claimed that he was the best. We shouldn't care about the characters bragging about themselves.
2) In the novel, it was stated that Cien was superior to Yammy, and Cien destroyed the dome where the battle was held so that Roka wouldn't copy VL Ichigo and Uluqiorra's powers. He did this specifically by saying "did you think I forgot that?" He is the character who surpassed Starrk and Barragan, but he is afraid of the power of Espada number 4 and VL Ichigo. This alone shows that you shouldn't care about the number thing.
If you ask me, the numbers are only related to the type of death they represent. We can also think that Aizen lied to them and associated them with power.
3) In the Q&A on Kubo Outside, it was confirmed that the numbers are related to the type of death they represent.
Also, I don't find databook-like sources about the Bleach series very reliable. Some sources say that all Espada are Vasto Lords. But we all know that's not true. At the very least, we know that Aaroniero Arruruerie is a Menos Grande.
He also writes statements like Grimmjow has surpassed his own race. We are sure that Barragan and Uluqiorra are stronger than Grimmjow, though.
There is a feature that is overlooked a lot about Arrancars. They can do Partial Resurrection. Just like Grimmjow did when he cut Askin's gift balls. Vasto Lord Ichigo was able to transform his hand and hold Lanza Del Relampago.
4. The movie is considered non-canon in this wiki. But at least the Uluqiorra vs Vasto Lord fight can be considered canon. Kubo stated that he liked the Uluqiorra vs VL part of the movie and wanted to do it like that. I don't have the scan but as far as I remember he used the word "omission". If we use the movie version, it seems that they are more relative in the movie. But even without the movie, it can be upgraded to at least Cero and Lanza Del Relampago.
During FKT, Ichigo was mentally nerfed, this was stated by Kubo. Due to the mental nerf, his Hollow Mask state was weakened. The fact that the eyes went black while in Hollow Mask proves this. The eyes turned black only for a short time when he was able to fight Aizen, but that was also very short-lived. Also, covering the entire body with hollow power causes a much greater increase than just having a hollow mask on the face. Another proof of the Mental Nerf throughout the arc is when Isshin tells Ichigo during the training in the dangai dimension that he can't focus on his zanpakutou.
Uryu stated that SE Uluqiorra was stronger than anyone he had ever seen. The same goes for SE Uluqiorra, even though he didn't see Yamamoto and Unohana fighting. I don't know where it says that Aizen used 1/3 strength kido against Komamura. But Aizen's 1/3 should still be somewhere in tier 4. At worst, SE Uluqiorra's physical AP and Durability would scale to Aizen's 1/3 strength kido. According to the other things I've mentioned, it would be more correct to get physical AP-Dura directly to 4-A, but I'm writing this in case it's not accepted.
Also, going back to Uluqiorra vs Yammy, Uryu didn't change his mind about Uluqiorra when he saw Yammy. You could say that Uryu didn't see Yammy's final form, but considering that he's descending from the Dome, he will definitely see it. Mayuri also stayed there to work on Yammy's body
I don't think they are Squad 0 level after going through the training and rituals. They already take those with that level of power with them. Since they are strong, it would be easier for them to go through this training. In the novel, it says that he was invited directly because of his power. If it was stated that he was invited because of his talent, it would be thought that he would be at that level as a result of the training.
There seemed to be something in the series that proved Full Hollow Zangetsu>Quincy Zangetsu. I'll look into it again.
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Yes, Barragan stated that Aizen made him stronger even as he died. "You will regret making me stronger."
Additionally, in the Bleach universe, aging does not decrease one's strength. It has never been stated that Unohana and Yamamoto became weaker because they aged. I don't think Barragan would become weaker than his younger self because he aged either.
The panel where Uryu says Zaraki is as strong as Vasto Lord. The correct translation is referring to the power increase, not the power level.
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No lol, can you actually provide the scan... I want to see if your translation is correct lmao
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I couldn't find the scan.
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then why are you using it to argue, it's just hearsay at that point..... I'll try and find it myself later and translate it to clear up confusion regarding the scan tho
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I brought it up by mentioning that it was a scan that people used to say there was an espada stronger than Uluqiorra. Because I had a feeling someone would come out and say it. I felt the Spiritual Pressure
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Yeah but you didn't debunk it tho... you just mentioned hearsay...I brought it up by mentioning that it was a scan that people used to say there was an espada stronger than Uluqiorra. Because I had a feeling someone would come out and say it. I felt the Spiritual Pressure
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I pointed out that Uryu's words in the manga and the novel contradicted each other. I said that I had heard from someone else that the translation was wrong.
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Yeah… hearsay… as I’ve been saying
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They just don't contradict one another. In the manga, Uryu says that he's never felt Spiritual Pressure like Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra before. You, instead of rationally thinking about this and say, viewing where Uryu has sensed the full strength of anyone's Spiritual Pressure, extrapolate this statement to include everyone that Uryu was around and could sense, despite the fact all of those instances with higher end characters are either them holding back immensely (like Aizen or Unohana) or aren't in a war-time scenario, flexing their Spiritual Pressure (like Unohana). It's a completely irrational claim to assert, with certainty above what is currently assumed, that Uryu has intimate knowledge about the strength of these characters. Utter woke nonsense, as Ghost would say.
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When we discussed it months ago, didn't you say that seeing the opponent was enough to know how strong he was?
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I can post it for you @Arc7Kuroi @Apollonir.Scale
二人とも、つい先刻交差点で見た時とは、比べものにならないほど霊圧が高まっている。「こんなデタラメな霊圧……暴走した黒崎並みじゃないか……！」悪魔のようなツノ付き仮面をつけた戦友の姿を思い出し、石田の背筋に寒気が走った。激しく移動しながら闘っているようで、空間そのものを切り裂く勢いで、あちらこちらから霊圧の衝突が続いている。
Both of their spiritual pressures have increased to a level much higher to when I saw them at the intersection just a moment ago.
"This is a ridiculous spiritual pressure... it's on par with a rampaging Kurosaki...!"
Recalling the image of his comrade wearing a horned mask like a demon, chills ran down Ishida’s spine.
It seems they're fighting while moving violently, and with a force that tears through space itself, clashes of spiritual pressure continue erupting from all directions.
more specifically, what is important:
こんな = this kind of / such
霊圧 = spiritual pressure
並み = on the level of / on par with
It's not talking about the increase, Ishida concede the new spiritual pressure they are showing it's on par with Ichigo back then.
And mind you, this is like mid-novel, they even get stronger than this by the end.
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Yeah that’s pretty blatant
I can post it for you @Arc7Kuroi @Apollonir.Scale
二人とも、つい先刻交差点で見た時とは、比べものにならないほど霊圧が高まっている。「こんなデタラメな霊圧……暴走した黒崎並みじゃないか……！」悪魔のようなツノ付き仮面をつけた戦友の姿を思い出し、石田の背筋に寒気が走った。激しく移動しながら闘っているようで、空間そのものを切り裂く勢いで、あちらこちらから霊圧の衝突が続いている。
Both of their spiritual pressures have increased to a level much higher to when I saw them at the intersection just a moment ago.
"This is a ridiculous spiritual pressure... it's on par with a rampaging Kurosaki...!"
Recalling the image of his comrade wearing a horned mask like a demon, chills ran down Ishida’s spine.
It seems they're fighting while moving violently, and with a force that tears through space itself, clashes of spiritual pressure continue erupting from all directions.
more specifically, what is important:
こんな = this kind of / such
霊圧 = spiritual pressure
並み = on the level of / on par with
It's not talking about the increase, Ishida concede the new spiritual pressure they are showing it's on par with Ichigo back then.
And mind you, this is like mid-novel, they even get stronger than this by the end.
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Iirc,the Kukkapuro section in unsmasked blatantly states that Yammy is both the weakest(base) and strongest(Res/Maximal Res) Espada.
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My argument was never about the claim that seeing an opponent is itself enough to know how strong they are. It was your claim that Orihime couldn't sense Spiritual Pressure because she never supposedly showed the ability to do so. I provided evidence to the contrary of her sensing the Spiritual Pressure emanating from Uryu; a Quincy who doesn't emit Spiritual Pressure in the same way as Shinigami do, and you proceeded to not respond to my argument and instead ghosted it.
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Not bringing this up in that thread itself since i don't think it's that relevant(and it's about the speed ratings which are crusty so who cares),but if Pernida is evolving towards no eyepatch Zaraki's speed would he not be sub rel instead?
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I just learned that this scan mentions Reiatsu. I don't think Reiatsu=power. There are contradictory situations.
I can post it for you @Arc7Kuroi @Apollonir.Scale
二人とも、つい先刻交差点で見た時とは、比べものにならないほど霊圧が高まっている。「こんなデタラメな霊圧……暴走した黒崎並みじゃないか……！」悪魔のようなツノ付き仮面をつけた戦友の姿を思い出し、石田の背筋に寒気が走った。激しく移動しながら闘っているようで、空間そのものを切り裂く勢いで、あちらこちらから霊圧の衝突が続いている。
Both of their spiritual pressures have increased to a level much higher to when I saw them at the intersection just a moment ago.
"This is a ridiculous spiritual pressure... it's on par with a rampaging Kurosaki...!"
Recalling the image of his comrade wearing a horned mask like a demon, chills ran down Ishida’s spine.
It seems they're fighting while moving violently, and with a force that tears through space itself, clashes of spiritual pressure continue erupting from all directions.
more specifically, what is important:
こんな = this kind of / such
霊圧 = spiritual pressure
並み = on the level of / on par with
It's not talking about the increase, Ishida concede the new spiritual pressure they are showing it's on par with Ichigo back then.
And mind you, this is like mid-novel, they even get stronger than this by the end.
1) It is stated in the databook that the first 3 Espada are close in terms of reiatsu. But it can be proven that Starrk is much superior to Halibel and Barragan is much superior to Halibel.
2) If I remember correctly, a CFYOW scan states that Yoruichi, Tokinada and Byakuya have equal reiatsu. But it is certain that both of them are much stronger than Byakuya.
3) Nobles have more reiatsu than non-nobles. But it is certain that Omeada is weaker than Rukia, Renji, Matumoto, Kira, Mayuri and other non-nobles that I can't think of.
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1. It cannot be proven that each of the three top Espada are dramatically stronger than one another. It would require you to assume premises not explicitly stated by the series, so it's questionable and up to interpretation if your assertions are more probable compared to other theories that can explain away the differences. And if we have direct statements of them being relative, that is demonstrably more supportive of them being relative compared to any conjecture we could introduce to contradict the interpretation.
2. We don't know for certain if that is true, outside of interpretative stances. If we are given a credible statement that all three of these individuals are similarly strong, and it remains without blatant, logically irreconcilable contradiction, it would hold as being true. Again, introducing conjecture to supposedly contradict the interpretation is always going to be less supported compared to just accepting it as fact as you're appealing to a basis of unfounded skepticism vs accepting a blatant statement as being blatant.
3. A generality existing isn't the same as a constant existing. It's generally true that Nobles possess higher levels of Spiritual Pressure. It doesn't mean that anyone who isn't a Noble cannot possess Spiritual Pressure as high or higher compared to a Noble.
2. We don't know for certain if that is true, outside of interpretative stances. If we are given a credible statement that all three of these individuals are similarly strong, and it remains without blatant, logically irreconcilable contradiction, it would hold as being true. Again, introducing conjecture to supposedly contradict the interpretation is always going to be less supported compared to just accepting it as fact as you're appealing to a basis of unfounded skepticism vs accepting a blatant statement as being blatant.
3. A generality existing isn't the same as a constant existing. It's generally true that Nobles possess higher levels of Spiritual Pressure. It doesn't mean that anyone who isn't a Noble cannot possess Spiritual Pressure as high or higher compared to a Noble.
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Even the injured 1-armed Base Grimmjow was fast enough to react to Hollow Mask Shinji's cero. Shinji said he wouldn't hold back. He stated that he wouldn't use both Hollow Mask and hold back against Grimmjow's weakened form. If Grimmjow had used Ressurection at the end, it is possible that the situation would have been reversed. You can say that this is just a possibility, but in a ressurection situation where he is not injured and has 2 arms, he would clearly be stronger and faster. Shikai Shinji can fight Gin, and it has been stated that Gin is stronger than Halibel. It has been stated by Tosen that Hollow Mask is a greater power-up than Bankai.
In this case, Grimmjow>Hollow Mask Shinji>Shikai Shinji~~Gin>Halibel.
Grimmjow also has a feat like being able to cut Askin's gift balls. Askin's gift balls should have an Ap above all Halibel's attacks.
Even Barragan's young form is stronger than Grimmjow and Aizen made Barragan even stronger.
Espada Barragan>Young Barragan>CFYOW Grimmjow>Arrancar Saga Grimmjow>Halibel
I remember Halibel had a novel statement where she thought she couldn't beat Grimmjow. All that aside, it's not really provable that there's a big difference between AS Grimmjow and CFYOW Grimmjow. Only Narita stated that Grimmjow was stronger than when he fought Ichigo.
Let's talk about Starrk
Starrk fought against 2 Vaizard captains at the same time and prevailed. He was able to destroy the hollow masks of 2 Vaizard captains. Halibel was able to fight against 2 Vaizard lieutenants.
You may say Toshiro was there too, but Toshiro was one of the weakest captains for the Arrancar saga and it doesn't change the result. He could only affect Halibel with his attack that he got help from the clouds. Without that attack, he was no match for Halibel with raw ap. Halibel already stated that she was holding herself back. We know that at the beginning of the Arrancar saga, Toshiro was equal to Base Yammy and thought that he might need to open Bankai. The captain with the least difference between his Bankai and Shikai is Toshiro. He also stated this when he fought Bazz B in TYBW. Even if he opens Bankai, he will only be able to overcome Base Yammy. He was helpless as a raw ap against Ki Luppi and Halibel. He was able to affect them with his special techniques.
I'm not even mentioning that Starrk fought with his shikai Shunsui. He fought with a character who could overcome Base Lille Barro after Aushwelen. When I say Base, I mean his state that does not use schrift. Ki Lille Barro is stronger than Bambietta and Bambietta was able to defeat Shikai Shinji, meaning she is a character stronger than Halibel. The statements that Elite Quincy are stronger than others were valid for their pre-Aushwelen states. Yhwach resurrected them with Aushwelen to be stronger than before. We also prove that Starrk is much superior to Halibel.
Byakuya felt the need to back down against Candice. Even if he could defeat Candice, he couldn't stand to be hit by her. He felt the need to use Bankai against Robert. Robert was weaker than Meninas and Liltoto. Yoruichi, on the other hand, was able to outsmart Askin after Aushwelen. Askin then became invulnerable to damage with her own schrift ability and outsmarted her. Pre-Aushwelen Askin is clearly superior to Liltotto, Meninas, Candice and Robert.
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@Infinite9Luck Btw could you give your input in this CRT?
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Bleach: About the powernull system
Currently we have this in the soul physiology page Limited Power Nullification (Reiryoku can null the abilities and techniques of those massively weaker than the user) But notice the scan shows that it's just a battle between soul reapers? So the powernull should only apply to shinigamis by...
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Apollonir, do you not realize that characters level of strength can change over time? Like when you talk about Grimmjow vs Shinji to say Grimmjow is above Halibel, you're using feats that in universe happen 3 months apart. Or when you downplay Halibel with Toshiro you bringup the Toshiro vs Yammy fight. Again, that happened 3 months ago in universe. Like, none of those scaling chains work because you can't prove the characters stayed at the same levels of strength. Shinji and Toshiro aren't Yamamoto or Shunsui who are stated to stay at similar levels of strength between FKT and TYBW. You can't just presuppose that without evidence.
Also, Espada Barragan being stronger than old man Hollow Barragan is not the same as Espada Barragan being stronger than his youthful prime self. No where is it stated that Espada Barragan got stronger than when he was younger fighting Ikomikidomoe. Especially when we know he lazed around due to boredom in his old age, and we've seen how not staying up with rigorous training makes you weaker (as per Yoruichi). Furthermore, in CFYOW it's not even talking about Barragan's AP when it's talking about his superiority, it's talking about his Respira. Which is pure hax that is explicitly above himself.
There is nuance to the series' scaling that you're ignoring by far over-generalizing the scaling in your assumptions.
Also, Espada Barragan being stronger than old man Hollow Barragan is not the same as Espada Barragan being stronger than his youthful prime self. No where is it stated that Espada Barragan got stronger than when he was younger fighting Ikomikidomoe. Especially when we know he lazed around due to boredom in his old age, and we've seen how not staying up with rigorous training makes you weaker (as per Yoruichi). Furthermore, in CFYOW it's not even talking about Barragan's AP when it's talking about his superiority, it's talking about his Respira. Which is pure hax that is explicitly above himself.
There is nuance to the series' scaling that you're ignoring by far over-generalizing the scaling in your assumptions.
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(READ OP) Naruto Runs Sternritter Gauntlet Backwards
For starters, I just want to say this is just for fun imo. Obviously nothing here can be added. Rules: Chakra = Spiritual Energy Nature Energy = Reishi Base Stats are Equal Intent to Kill Standard Equipment Every Character has General Knowledge of Each other's abilities minus what would be...
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This is something I just thought about in regards to the Yourself twins. On Loyd's profile, we have him as Varies, up to at least High 6-A. On the other hand, Royd just has a solid 4-A rating. This is because at the time, we didn't know Royd also copied power, so we just assumed that him fighting Yamamoto was with his own strength and he copied Yhwach's personality. Now that we know he actually copies around 70-80% of the strength of his target, should we also change him to Varies, at least up to 4-A, Higher with Blut Arterie to reflect that we no longer know how strong Royd is without using his ability?
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How do y’all view EoS Aizen morally? If you set aside his past (he paid or is paying for those crimes), how good or bad is Aizen by the end of the series? Did he grow or regress?
What do you think of him (morally), and how would you rank him (morally) in the series?
What do you think of him (morally), and how would you rank him (morally) in the series?
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I feel like he has "Changed" in a way, given now he knows the details and intricacies of the Soul King. Alongside his sealing and what has happened to him.
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Where is it stated that 3 months have passed? It is stated that the Hogyoku will wake up in the winter and that they have a 4-month preparation period. Then Aizen attacks early. He attacked before 4 months and the others were surprised by this situation. We only know that 1 month has passed, and that is that Ichigo has been training with the Vaizards for 1 month. When Yamamoto told Toshiro, Orihime and Rangiku that we have a 4-month preparation period, it was while Ichigo's 1st month of training with the Vaizards was completed. It is stated in the 223rd chapter of the manga. Aizen cannot gather his army in less than 4 months. But we saw it in the series. The events happened much earlier than the 4-month period Mayuri predicted.
Will Shinji's Shikai state's power exceed his Hollow Mask state while fighting Grimmjow in 4 months? This is just an assumption. It wasn't even shown what kind of training Toshiro did during the transition to FKT. Besides, it hadn't even been 4 months.
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It's as much of an assumption as any interpretation you have presented. You believe we aren't provided any evidence that proves these characters have gotten significantly stronger throughout the series. Arc countered this proposition by showing evidence of them training for the sole purpose of readying themselves for war. It's by logical inference that, without contradiction, they would have gotten stronger as a result of this training, which would explain the differences. And to address the notion that we don't know exactly the training Toshiro was doing, we do know the intent of the training Toshiro was doing. It was supposed to strengthen him for the upcoming battle with the Arrancar, which is all we need to know, to understand what results would be conveyed by said training; gaining further power and utilization with his abilities.
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I think that an higher Reiryoku can nullify weaker abilities. However, in Bleach, there are certain abilities that are simply built differently and completely ignore that rule.@Infinite9Luck Btw could you give your input in this CRT?
Bleach: About the powernull system
Currently we have this in the soul physiology page Limited Power Nullification (Reiryoku can null the abilities and techniques of those massively weaker than the user) But notice the scan shows that it's just a battle between soul reapers? So the powernull should only apply to shinigamis by...
We should give credit to those abilities that cannot be negated, even when faced with higher Reiatsu. Or I don't know if the wiki allow specific mechanics to work.
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