BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[ReaperAndBlues]

I don’t get why people underestimate mayuri so much.
He gave himself a major upgrade in tybw

Tbh, once Pernida reached Kenpachi's level, Mayuri needed hax to stop him. The most you could argue is Nemu being able to kill Pernida at that moment with Gikon Jurinju, but Mayuri himself wasn't putting B2A and throwing hands (pun intended) with Pernida.

 

[Adam1396]

Mayuri will not be 4-A lol

He can deal with lot higher than 4A. So it doesn’t really matter.

Tbh, once Pernida reached Kenpachi's level, Mayuri needed hax to stop him. The most you could argue is Nemu being able to kill Pernida at that moment with Gikon Jurinju, but Mayuri himself wasn't putting B2A and throwing hands (pun intended) with Pernida.

Yes. I know that.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

yes we do know that Mayuri and Kisuke with prep can handle transcendent characters per CFYOW

 

[SlendVeny]

I can't imagine anyone nicer than him

I can, but I forgot

 

[AppleLord]

I bet Mayuri would have beaten Yhwach if it wasn’t for plot. And don’t bring Hitsugaya fight, that only happened because it was part of Mayuri’s plan.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Ok Apple, that's enough YT shorts scaling for today.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I bet Mayuri would have beaten Yhwach if it wasn’t for plot. And don’t bring Hitsugaya fight, that only happened because it was part of Mayuri’s plan.

just give him 2-C with preparation atp

 

[AppleLord]

Ok Apple, that's enough YT shorts scaling for today.

I do my own scaling, can’t you notice?

 

[Johner2133451]

Lille Barro vs Granolah

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lille_Barro#Base https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Granolah Lille at his base key Speed Equalized Fight takes place in crowded New York Both had prior knowledge on each other abilities/stats

vsbattles.com

 

[Antvasima]

Who do you think is the most evil not including Mayuri?

Probably Aizen and Szayelaporro, but there are a lot of extremely nasty characters to choose from, so it is hard to grade.

 

[SlendVeny]

Probably Aizen and Szayelaporro, but there are a lot of extremely nasty characters to choose from, so it is hard to grade.

Szayelaporro is a definite contender, Aizen is more of a typical egotistical "willing to betray and kill others over the course of years to achieve a goal" type, like Blackbeard or Orochiamaru, rather than a "Superhuman Himmler" type, like Caesar Clown or... also Orochimaru.

 

[Jo-Smooth]

Szayelaporro is a definite contender, Aizen is more of a typical egotistical "willing to betray and kill others over the course of years to achieve a goal" type, like Blackbeard or Orochiamaru, rather than a "Superhuman Himmler" type, like Caesar Clown or... also Orochimaru.

Except for when it comes to Momo and Toshiro, for some reason Aizen had it out for those 2 specifically

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Szayelaporro is a definite contender, Aizen is more of a typical egotistical "willing to betray and kill others over the course of years to achieve a goal" type, like Blackbeard or Orochiamaru, rather than a "Superhuman Himmler" type, like Caesar Clown or... also Orochimaru.

Except for all the people he experimented on to discover the limits of shinigami and hollow and their combined forms to surpass said limits, which is what resulted in the creation of the vizards less we forget. He's 100% as evil and irredeemable as Mayuri or Szayel.

 

[Damage3245]

Random question, if every single character had the exact same stats (Strength, Speed, Durability, etc), who would you guys say are the Top 5 or Top 10 most powerful Bleach characters?

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Random question, if every single character had the exact same stats (Strength, Speed, Durability, etc), who would you guys say are the Top 5 or Top 10 most powerful Bleach characters?

This would lead to just who has better hax assuming we are just equalizing physical stats that you mentioned. so imo it would go like this
1.Soul King
2.Yhwach
3.Aizen
4.Gremmy
5.Gerard (Gets stronger overtime so he prolly bypasses the equal stat thing) or Jugram with the Balance i am not sure between these two.

 

[Deceived3596]

1. Soul King
2. Yhwach
3. Aizen
4. Gremmy
5. Lille Barro
6. Toshiro
7. Yamamoto
8. Roka
9. Ichigo / Hikone
10. Baraggan

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Who do you think is the most evil not including Mayuri?

The Original 5 Noble Heads

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Mayuri will not be 4-A lol

Because of hax and not AP?

 

[Bastolan27]

Tokinada is definitely the most evil, no contest.

 

[Crobatman44]

Depending on how much details of his actions we will get to find out,i feel like Ichibei might be a contender if it turns out he's the origin point of most of the conflicts.
But this is just a flimsy guess.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Random question, if every single character had the exact same stats (Strength, Speed, Durability, etc), who would you guys say are the Top 5 or Top 10 most powerful Bleach characters?

1. Yhwach
2. Gremmy
3. Aizen
4. Jugrum
5. Lille

I might reorder this later.

 

[Adam1396]

Random question, if every single character had the exact same stats (Strength, Speed, Durability, etc), who would you guys say are the Top 5 or Top 10 most powerful Bleach characters?

Bonus: Soul king and Yhwach
1. Aizen
2. Ichibei
3. Senjumaru
4. Mimihagi/ Gerard/Gremmy/Jugram
5. Uryu/ Yamammoto /Hisagi/Adult Toshiro/Pernida

 

[SlendVeny]

Except for all the people he experimented on to discover the limits of shinigami and hollow and their combined forms to surpass said limits, which is what resulted in the creation of the vizards less we forget. He's 100% as evil and irredeemable as Mayuri or Szayel.

I already lest I forgot

 

[Apotheosis69]

Wouldn't everyone scaling to casual Bankai Squad 0 4-A, be Multi-Solar System level+?

Because its 4.6 ZettaFoe and that is on the higher end of the tier.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Wouldn't everyone scaling to casual Bankai Squad 0 4-A, be Multi-Solar System level+?

Because its 4.6 ZettaFoe and that is on the higher end of the tier.

Wouldn't that only apply (potentially) for upscaling? Because to get 4-A+, I think you need around 5.265+ ZettaFoe, based on the AP page.

 

[Crobatman44]

Im uncertain,but i don't think upscaling to + is a thing,i know from + to the baseline of the next tier is(iirc Res espada 5 through 2 and Base Staark all currently upscale to baseline High 6-A)

 

[LordTracer]

Im uncertain,but i don't think upscaling to + is a thing

It is.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Wouldn't that only apply (potentially) for upscaling? Because to get 4-A+, I think you need around 5.265+ ZettaFoe, based on the AP page.

Thing is, practically all characters upscaling that would be Galaxy level, 3-C. Cus Uryu, through Sklave Rai is at least 3x. That's 13.81 ZettaFoe, which is is well... you know

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Thing is, practically all characters upscaling that would be Galaxy level, 3-C. Cus Uryu, through Sklave Rai is at least 3x. That's 13.81 ZettaFoe, which is is well... you know

Then, you've answered your own question? lol
Either they scale to 3-C or 4-A, not 4-A+
I'm not sure if VSbattles would accept an upscale from 4.603 to 5.265 so anyone that upscales not from Uryu would still be 4-A, assuming there is someone that scales like that.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Because of hax and not AP?

Yes

 

[Crobatman44]

It is.

Huh,neat.
Im fairly certain one of the upcoming CRT's might upgrade him anyway,but could Monster Aizen in theory upscale via being like 3 power ups over Chrysalis Aizen,who's already accepted as above Senju on profile?

 

[Apotheosis69]

Then, you've answered your own question? lol
Either they scale to 3-C or 4-A, not 4-A+
I'm not sure if VSbattles would accept an upscale from 4.603 to 5.265 so anyone that upscales not from Uryu would still be 4-A, assuming there is someone that scales like that.

I was asking if the 4.6 ZettaFoe should be 4-A+. Not those upscaling

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

To find out what the “+” of a tier is, take the upper end and the lower end, add them together, and divide by 2. For example, is tier X was 2 power to 11 power, X+ would be (11+2)/2 or 6.5 power.

 

[Bastolan27]

Also

"The "+" symbol can also be used if there exists a calculation extremely close to the arithmetic mean, and characters scale above the calculated feat by a wide margin, for example being able to defeat enemies on such levels with a single casual attack."

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Yeah, that's why I was saying you'd need about 5.265ish or so ZettaFoe.
The difference, unless I'm severely wrong is (10.53+0.0208)/2 (10.53+0.0000000000208)/2, which is 10.5508/2 basically the same as 10.53/2, which is 5.2754 5.265, so my initial guesstimate was pretty close actually correct.
4.603 Zettafoe is way too small, about 675.1 662.2 TeraExaFoe off.
*corrected some math and terms

 

[Johner2133451]

Askin vs Gojo

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Askin_Nakk_Le_Vaar https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Satoru_Gojo Speed Equalized Askin starts at base

vsbattles.com

 

[Hellscream]

Random question, if every single character had the exact same stats (Strength, Speed, Durability, etc), who would you guys say are the Top 5 or Top 10 most powerful Bleach characters?

1) Prime Soul King
2) Yhwach
3) Gremmy
4) Aizen
5) Ichibei
6) Lille Barro
7) Gerard
8) Yamamoto / Baraggan / Adult toshiro
9) Pernida
10) Askin

 

[Johner2133451]

Someone mentioned Askin cant adapt to Gojo's infinity, is it true?

Askin vs Gojo

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Askin_Nakk_Le_Vaar https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Satoru_Gojo Speed Equalized Askin starts at base

vsbattles.com

 

[Johner2133451]

#stopmakingbleatchmatches

In my defense, it's one of the verse I fw (Lephr recommends it). It's good so I dont do stomps like your shiggy vs mahito match

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

#stopmakingbleatchmatches

Bro you have no right to tell people to stop making bad matches look in the mirror brother.