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Marvel gods revision (BDE Type 2)

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Thank you very much for helping out. 🙏❤️
 
I think at least for now, the transcendental Gods like Gaia, Those who sit above in Shadow, etc. should be fine since no one disagrees with that.

I think we should probably wait for Ultima when it comes to the "Earthly" Gods like Odin, Thor and so on.
 
I think at least for now, the transcendental Gods like Gaia, Those who sit above in Shadow, etc. should be fine since no one disagrees with that.

I think we should probably wait for Ultima when it comes to the "Earthly" Gods like Odin, Thor and so on.
Okay. No problem. 🙏

@Ultima_Reality

Your help would be very appreciated here. 🙏
 
I'm not sure; though iirc. Some of the Heralds might need their 1-A ratings looked at based on an agreed revision regarding 1-A ratings and their anti-feats/sizes. Plenty of them may need to be downgraded to Low 1-A at best.
Thor, Hercules, and Hulk are obvious outliers. Since Thor at his height rivals the Elder Gods, Hercules to the Chaos King, and Hulk beating about primordial eldritch creatures of the Mother of Horrors whom were outside the knowledge of the One Above All.
The only Heralds that are 1-A are Thor, Herc and Hulk. Each has their own feat
Yeah.
 
Thor, Hercules, and Hulk are obvious outliers. Since Thor at his height rivals the Elder Gods, Hercules to the Chaos King, and Hulk beating about primordial eldritch creatures of the Mother of Horrors whom were outside the knowledge of the One Above All..
Wouldn't this mean Hulk is currently the strongest right now?
 
I think we should probably wait for Ultima when it comes to the "Earthly" Gods like Odin, Thor and so on.
Well, I already disagreed with the godly realms being Low 1-A and by extension with them being Low 1-A size-wise. Is there something else to be discussed with regards to them here that I missed?
 
The only Heralds that are 1-A are Thor, Herc and Hulk. Each has their own feat
Sure, but there was a revision about a requirement to be 1-A. Normally, for Low 1-C and above, one doesn't need to be large sized; let alone large sized Type 10. But 1-A and above is where a requirement like that is pretty much mandatory now. And considering they are still 3-D sized characters, they wouldn't. And it's hard to tell regarding specific keys for many others as well.

I may have said "Heralds" loose, as many others also seem to have similar issues. Such as Odin, Ghost Rider, and probably many others. A lot of characters who have "Varies from Low 1-C to 1-A" might need 1-A high end lowered. And likewise, various characters who aren't Immeasurable seem doubtful to be 1-A to begin with.
 
Well, I already disagreed with the godly realms being Low 1-A and by extension with them being Low 1-A size-wise. Is there something else to be discussed with regards to them here that I missed?
It’s been changed to Low 1-C. There's nothing you miss as far as context goes, it was adjusted due to the realms being beyond space-time connitum(4D) which another blog already covers for. Also, since heralds were accepted as Low 1-C, its plausible to believe the gods and the realms should get Low 1-C since the godly physiology page already clarify they are 5-D.

Are you alright with 1-A Thor due to his essence and his family scaling to him, right? Obviously, his normal stats would just be Low 1-C as well(which applies to all his family members).

I already knew the scans were not talking about the abstract concept of time and space, but I guess I was caught red-handed. The blog was a mess due to being made within two days and over 500 comics read super fast by yours truly.
I may have said "Heralds" loose, as many others also seem to have similar issues. Such as Odin, Ghost Rider, and probably many others. A lot of characters who have "Varies from Low 1-C to 1-A" might need 1-A high end lowered. And likewise, various characters who aren't Immeasurable seem doubtful to be 1-A to begin with.
The heralds in question with 1-A as far as I'm concerned(Thor, Hercules, and Hulk) all deserve their tier. The rest who did have 1-A(I don't think there is any) has to lose it. We could incorporate “unlikely 1-A” for their higher end as such for some beings like the Silver Surfer or Ghost Rider.
 
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It’s been changed to Low 1-C. There's nothing you miss as far as context goes, it was adjusted due to the realms being beyond space-time connitum(4D) which another blog already covers for. Also, since heralds were accepted as Low 1-C, its plausible to believe the gods and the realms should get Low 1-C since the the godly physiology page already clarify they are 5-D.

Are you alright with 1-A Thor due to his essence and his family scaling to him, right? Obviously, his normal stats would just be Low 1-C as well(which applies to all his family members).

I already knew the scans were not talking about the abstract concept of time and space, but I guess I was caught red-handed. The blog was a mess due to being made within two days and over 500 comics read super fast by yours truly.

The heralds in question with 1-A as far as I'm concerned(Thor, Hercules, and Hulk) all deserve their tier. The rest who did have 1-A(I don't think there is any) has to lose it. We could incorporate “unlikely 1-A” for their higher end as such for some beings like the Silver Surfer or Ghost Rider.
I do not mind 1-A keys, and sure some deserve it. But they should have consistent other details for speed, size, range, ect within said key. And it's mainly characters who in base keys have variable tiers and get jumped from 5-B to 1-A via rage power is what I take issues with.
 
I do not mind 1-A keys, and sure some deserve it. But they should have consistent other details for speed, size, range, ect within said key. And it's mainly characters who in base keys have variable tiers and get jumped from 5-B to 1-A via rage power is what I take issues with.
Yeah, I don't really think the AP portion should be equalized to all their statistics. Since comic book characters are hardly consistent especially if they are the big names. Though, this issue could be handled by other forum members. Let’s focus on this specific thread about the gods.
 
It’s been changed to Low 1-C. There's nothing you miss as far as context goes, it was adjusted due to the realms being beyond space-time connitum(4D) which another blog already covers for. Also, since heralds were accepted as Low 1-C, its plausible to believe the gods and the realms should get Low 1-C since the godly physiology page already clarify they are 5-D.

Are you alright with 1-A Thor due to his essence and his family scaling to him, right? Obviously, his normal stats would just be Low 1-C as well(which applies to all his family members).

I already knew the scans were not talking about the abstract concept of time and space, but I guess I was caught red-handed. The blog was a mess due to being made within two days and over 500 comics read super fast by yours truly.
@Ultima_Reality
 
Let’s rephrase it into “possibly 1-A via inner essence” instead of full 1-A. Any thoughts?
I don't like the wording of "via inner essence," but something like "with divinity" could maybe work.

Who are you saying the "possibly" should apply to? With Thor, there are many feats on that level, too many to warrant a "possibly" or even "likely" imo.
 
I don't like the wording of "via inner essence," but something like "with divinity" could maybe work.
I guess but he always is “divinity” that doesn't really explain the difference between his lesser state and his divinity. “With divinity” implies that sort of separation but that isn't really the case or else he wouldn't be a god at all until he's always just in his purest version of himself. I still prefer “inner essence” or “pure essence” if the essence of a god is divinity then that's covered as the essence of god.
Who are you saying the "possibly" should apply to? With Thor, there are many feats on that level, too many to warrant a "possibly" or even "likely" imo.
Yeah, he is the most prominent example, but it’s not limited to him.
 
So far just to make it safe. Thor should only get the “possibly 1-A” rating. This thread has outlived its usefulness.

Also, “within divinity” is not a good phrase, in my opinion. Either “pure divinity” or “pure/inner essence.” I don't get this popularized idea of “with divinity” it still doesn't make sense.
 
What are the conclusions here so far for the staff members who have commented here? 🙏
 
The spelling seemed to be wrong, so I updated it.

Anyway, going from memory alone, this thread seems to have received quite a lot of disagreements, or what are the summarised staff conclusions here so far for each respective staff member who has responded here? 🙏
 
The spelling seemed to be wrong, so I updated it.

Anyway, going from memory alone, this thread seems to have received quite a lot of disagreements, or what are the summarised staff conclusions here so far for each respective staff member who has responded here? 🙏
I was adjusting the tiers around. Low 1-A was no longer the topic of concern. Ultima himself didn't have a problem with one of the scans to get Thor to 1-A.
 
The spelling seemed to be wrong, so I updated it.

Anyway, going from memory alone, this thread seems to have received quite a lot of disagreements, or what are the summarised staff conclusions here so far for each respective staff member who has responded here? 🙏
Either that or we can close this. He's already 1-A for everything.
 
Okay. Please explain what exactly that would be changed in Thor's page and other character profile pages in our wiki. 🙏
 
Okay. Please explain what exactly that would be changed in Thor's page and other character profile pages in our wiki. 🙏
Just a key going over their god physiology at the core as just primal myth stories that oversee an abstract concept at their purest(whatever concepts they may embody since it’s clear that the Elder Gods are the primordial representation while the regular gods are more an aspect of the concept, but nevertheless have dominion over it).
 
Please explain what exactly that would be changed in Thor's page and other character profile pages in our wiki. 🙏
Just a key going over their god physiology at the core as just primal myth stories that oversee an abstract concept at their purest(whatever concepts they may embody since it’s clear that the Elder Gods are the primordial representation while the regular gods are more an aspect of the concept, but nevertheless have dominion over it).
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What do you think about this? 🙏
 
Just a key going over their god physiology at the core as just primal myth stories that oversee an abstract concept at their purest(whatever concepts they may embody since it’s clear that the Elder Gods are the primordial representation while the regular gods are more an aspect of the concept, but nevertheless have dominion over it).
Looks ok
 
If Thor's profile is going to be edited anyway, I want to bring up an extremely minor change to Thor's profile that I'd like to see. Instead of the key being labeled "Odinforce Thor," it should be "All-Father Thor." This is because Thor doesn't hold the Odinforce, he holds the Thorforce.
 
If Thor's profile is going to be edited anyway, I want to bring up an extremely minor change to Thor's profile that I'd like to see. Instead of the key being labeled "Odinforce Thor," it should be "All-Father Thor." This is because Thor doesn't hold the Odinforce, he holds the Thorforce.
That seems fine, I suppose. 🙏
 
It still seems a bit unclear what exactly that you currently want to change compared to the the current versions of pages for Marvel Comics deities explained more specifically. 🙏
 
Have you prepared a revision draft for final review?
I've got something in mind ever since the start of this thread.

Rating: 1-A via True Divinity (Exits as a primal story and myth that oversees all conception of thunder and exist in a complete state of divinity in which exists beyond any form of dimensionality)

Also, we will have to rename “Odin-Force” into “Thor-Force.”
 
I've got something in mind ever since the start of this thread.

Rating: 1-A via True Divinity (Exits as a primal story and myth that oversees all conception of thunder and exist in a complete state of divinity in which exists beyond any form of dimensionality)

Also, we will have to rename “Odin-Force” into “Thor-Force.”
Could you list all the characters that you intend to be affected by this? I'm still iffy on mid-tier Asgardians, like the Warriors Three, Sif, and Valkyries, scaling to this.

I like the "True Divinity" phrasing. I think that works wells. As for "Thor-Force," I would personally prefer "All-Father" just because "Thor-Force Thor" sounds a bit redundant, but yeah I think we both agree "Odinforce" needs to go.
 
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