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Elden Ring General Discussion
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Latin_Rhythms
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don't worry I'm sure the storm created by the nameless king invasion in nightreign will be much more sane and practical to calculate than the one from archdragon peak that's probably from the nameless king and his drake and not the bell /s
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It's not even that, it's just the size of the storm we use is INSANE, and the timeframe for how long it takes to disperese is similar ridiculous from what I remember.
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Supersonic Elden Ring is real!!!!!
Man it's gonna be real awkward when this guys ult is super sonic but then the katana hero has lightning redirect as a passive kek
Latin_Rhythms
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Hold up.
Hidden crevice of time? beyond time? Immeasurable speed feats?
Yeah, we're back.
In all seriousness, the roundtable hold being in some "twisted" state of time sounds about right and explains how it's avoiding the night tide
Hidden crevice of time? beyond time? Immeasurable speed feats?
Yeah, we're back.
In all seriousness, the roundtable hold being in some "twisted" state of time sounds about right and explains how it's avoiding the night tide
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Supersonic Elden Ring is real!!!!!
Only supersonic?
Nightreign protagonists are a bunch of frauds
Latin_Rhythms
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You don't get it. It's supersonic to them. And since their base perspection and combat speed is around lightning speed, this is actually like 5% of the speed of light if ya think about it. Plus with the new tweet we got confirmed beyond time immerserable speed feats so this is irrelevant anyway/sOnly supersonic?
Nightreign protagonists are a bunch of frauds
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So can we start posting DLC profiles? Messmer, Rellana and Midra aren't complaining but Leda feels a bit more unstable than usual as time goes on
Chritin
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Feel free. I'm still working on the Elden Ring homepage rework, but its all good if you start uploading pages imo.
Also, genuinely if someone wants to help make these avatars please let me know. I'd seriously appreciate the help cause this is turning into a serious drag. shoot me a message if you are interested, and you can see my work so far here: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Chritin060/Sandbox2
Also, genuinely if someone wants to help make these avatars please let me know. I'd seriously appreciate the help cause this is turning into a serious drag. shoot me a message if you are interested, and you can see my work so far here: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Chritin060/Sandbox2
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Already looking pretty great I'd say. I actually have plans to make a profile for the Frenzied Flame and the Greater Will (and maybe the Moon as well), I think I have a blog ready for the FF actually
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Chritin
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Could you actually send that my way? I’m interested to see that.
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For now I've only made a blog for the Frenzied Flame but it's a bit outdated. Here it is:
The Frenzied Flame
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Chritin
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Alrighty, I'll give a few notes real quick:For now I've only made a blog for the Frenzied Flame but it's a bit outdated. Here it is:
The Frenzied Flame
- In terms of tiering, the Frenzied Flame is sitting at "High 6-C, likely High 3-A". It gets High 6-C off actually destroying the lands between, but gets likely High 3-A off its actual destruction of the universe (this could be even higher since its possible the Elden Ring itself is destroyed, but that would probably take more litigation).
- In terms of speed, there are a few things you could do. Howl of Shabriri is literally traveling through sound waves, so it's possible a bar minimum for the frenzied flame is Transonic. You could also scale it to its various spells which are relative in speed to the attacks of the Tarnished (either MHS+ or maybe even higher based on how they can be used on any boss). Finally, there's also the fact that if it can melt away the infinite universe, then its speed would be infinite as well (although this infinite speed feat is still over time).
- Its range would be based off the size of lands between, kilometers, to High Universal
- Its immortality section seems good, although it probably would require some clarification on how it gets both types of immortality for solidarity,
- I'm not totally sure on this, but maybe it could get type 1 madness manip as well? I'm not sure of the specifics, but we know it does have effects on a person's biology, particularly in relation to the aging untouchables and how they have seemingly sprouted eyes everywhere (which is a common marker of insanity in souls games). I'd say look into it, and this also applies for the plant manipulation which could probably be changed to biological manipulation if you agree with this
- It should get type 1 corruption too, since frenzied flame can cause maddness on physical contact rather through just despair
- I'm not necessarily opposed to this, especially since we see both Hyetta and Shabriri get resurrected in people's body, but I think it should be listed as a possibly unless you want to argue something with how Midra was resurrected. Power bestowal is definitely apart of its abilities though since madness itself improves physical stats in some way iirc.
- For the avatar creation I think is a bit iffy but I'm not opposed to it either. I think you should focus more on it creating avatars through lords of frenzy, since it seemingly possesses them upon their creation
- In terms of missing hax there are a few things, particularly NPI and Soul Manipulation off the frenzied flame being able to destroy spirits, as well as any hax that provided from frenzy spells and items.
That's all that came to mind so far.
Chritin
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Oh btw, I like the trophy image better for the Frenzied Flame https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/e...d_Flame.png/revision/latest?cb=20240312034437
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Can't see the pic unfortunately
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For the madness part, Type 1 is about causing madness through biological means, like diseases or chemicals (as the page for the ability says, think of Scarecrow and his Fear Toxin from Batman). Guess it could work since the Aging Untouchable can do that, though in the FF case, it seems the biological aspect is a consequence of the Flame's influence rather than the cause
Chritin
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Yeah that makes sense. If it’s just drugs then ig it wouldn’t apply
Chritin
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I’ll upload the one I found if needed, but it’s just the trophy icon for the frenzied flame ending. I think you’ve uploaded other similar icons before, so if you can find a high quality version I think that oils fit.
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Really looking forward to playing this class, might just be my favourite.
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Edited the blog a bit with what you said but honestly I'll need more to finish the work
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When nightreign releases, would reworked bosses such as Morgott have their new attacks added to their old profiles, or would it be a completely new profile sense nightreign takes place in a alternate timeline?
Chritin
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I started work on updating the hax list for it. TL;DR for now, the Frenzied Flame might actually be busted AF.
This depends on entirely how we chose to compare Nightreign to base Elden Ring. I'm of the belief for now that we MAY be able to use stuff from Nightreign, but only if it's info from before the shattering since we know that's where the story diverges. None the less, we still have no idea if the two games could connect at all. There's also the fact that Morgott not only seems possessed in some way (having a haze similar to the ring of rain around his face and eyes), but also he seems to be more open to using his cursed blood.
Even if we did apply his new abilities though, the only thing he could maybe get is Danmaku since his one bloodflame slash creates a bunch of cuts in a concentrated area.
Latin_Rhythms
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Feels like the simplest thing to do for Morgott and many other of the returning bosses is just to add a "nightreign key" that accounts for all possible cross scaling and new abilities that could show up.
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Good to hear so I can edit the blog with them
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Thinking of making a profile for Bayle, besides Placidusax(because they dont have a profile), who do you think he would be comparable to?
Chritin
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Placidusax is the only character Bayle is comparable too directly, and its fine if you compare Bayle to him even though he doesn't have a profile since we already scale Placi to other lords on the wiki (4-A). I guess you could say he scales to the late DLC Tarnished as well though.
I should note as well that I did start a Bayle profile a while ago but never got around finishing it. If you'd like I could send it your way.
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Yeah sure what would be good!
I did make a Bayle and Metyr profile a while back, but i deleted those a while ago so im not sure if i could restore those, think i had Bayle as 7-A, likely 4-A. And Metyr as at least 7-A, Likely High 6-B, likely 4-A
Unfortunately i have no idea how to restore those so they're just gone now : (
Update: Okayyy nevermind found out how to restore, though i probably will heavily revise this: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:IAmNotBread/Bayle_the_Dread
I did make a Bayle and Metyr profile a while back, but i deleted those a while ago so im not sure if i could restore those, think i had Bayle as 7-A, likely 4-A. And Metyr as at least 7-A, Likely High 6-B, likely 4-A
Unfortunately i have no idea how to restore those so they're just gone now : (
Update: Okayyy nevermind found out how to restore, though i probably will heavily revise this: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:IAmNotBread/Bayle_the_Dread
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Scaling question here: Isn't Messmer stronger than Leda? In the profiles I made, Messmer is "7-A, possibly High 4-C" and Leda is "At least 7-A, likely 4-A", the latter being that she's fought right before Radahn and Miquella but at the same time you can summon her for the Rellana boss and I tend to think Rellana is weaker than Messmer. Should Messmer be put to "At least 7-A, likely 4-A" then?
Also, I have plans to make civilization/group profiles for Raya Lucaria and the Hornsent (should the Academy have a team or a civilization profile?)
Also, I have plans to make civilization/group profiles for Raya Lucaria and the Hornsent (should the Academy have a team or a civilization profile?)
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I don't think Metyr would scale to the High 6-B feat of Radahn. That feat is very specific too him and only other god-level characters. Don't worry though, metyr has a shit load of stuff from her pulsay/black hole feats which I plan on getting to... at some point...
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I'm of the belief that all of the characters in Miquella's party get stronger as the DLC goes on similar to the Tarnished by consuming Scadutree fragments. All of the characters go on their own quests throughout the DLC in tracing the paths of Miquella as we do, and many of the crosses do have scadutree fragments with them. Thus, Leda at the beginning of the DLC is likely High 4-C, and then becomes stronger to be possibly 4-A.
I should also note, Messmer should be likely High 4-C instead of possibly, considering how he is fought way after Mohg with scadutree fragment boosts, and he the fact he no-diffed a bunch of Dancing Lions.
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Leda should have two keys then
Chritin
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I would say that, but frankly my opinion on the characters getting stronger doesn't have any solid in game evidence. If you want, I would just say make an end of DLC key that says something like "At least 7-A, likely High 4-C, possibly 4-A (Implied to have followed the path of Miquella through the realm of shadow, with most of Miquella's crosses having Scadutree fragments that were able to boost the Tarnished to be relative to Radahn)"
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That or we could go for "Fought the Tarnished shortly before they fought Promised Consort Radahn" as a justification for a 4-A tier
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Yeah, but it would be good to give implications as to how she got stronger.
Latin_Rhythms
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Sure, but as you said, there's really no in-game proof, and it's more of a fun headcanon. So I'd be more down for the "fought just before Radahn's explanation." As it's literally true and what happens in the game, and it reduces the chances of people taking it and saying, "Powerscalers really just making anything up".
Chritin
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I’m not making it up? Just interpreting what we know. We are told that all of Miquella’s followers travel the same path we do, which for us entailed coming across Scadutree fragments at many of the crosses we travel too. The only thing is we don't have anything hard confirmed.
I'm fine putting that they fought us right before Radahn, but I think that should be at least mentioned too
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I don't think you're making things up, as I have kind of the same interpretation, but aside from them standing at Miquella's crosses, nothing really suggests they're growing stronger during the DLC's story so I'm not sure putting about using that as a statement to support the tier since it can be debunked easily
Chritin
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Like I said to Latin, its not really debunked by anything, just an interpretation based on what we know/see in game that lacks empirical evidence (I'm actually trying to look and see if anything is mentioned in interviews though). Overall though, I think if we all agree that they just got stronger as the DLC went on then that's fair too.
