Kamen Rider Geats vs Lord Recluse (TT Semi-Finals M1-B)

[Agnaa]

My tourney has hit its first DQ since the first match of the tourney, so now we're gonna run this match back, with Geats instead fighting a supervillain.

Kamen Rider Geats will be in his Encounter Arc key, starting in Monster Form, with Boost Buckle restricted, putting his AP at 2e13 Joules.

Lord Recluse's AP will be interpreted as 7-C, about 4e13 to 8e13 Joules.

Speed will be equalised. Other than that, I'll be using Standard Battle Assumptions, so it'll provisionally be starting at 1 kilometer, per Geats' vague "Hundreds of Meters to Kilometers with guns and cannons" range rating.

Kamen Rider Geats: 7 (@Shadowslash125, @IxaSaga2, @shootingrock, @BERRIES555, @Ebihara, @TsukasayaEmmaDCD, @Arkansalter2)

Lord Recluse: 1 (@DaReaperMan)

Inconclusive: 1 (@Jerry59)

@Shadowslash125 @DaReaperMan

 

[Shadowslash125]

TLDR: Geats' sniper gun and monster finisher goes one kilometre while his normal magnum gun form goes hundreds of meters.

Now if you would excuse me, I'll be at my time out corner for the time being. That shit was nasty, and I essentially saw the saltiest person in my almost-a-year of debating.
Reaper, can we just make this a fun one?

 

[DontTalkDT]

Eh, range play won't work that well here, as Lord Recluse has teleportation and the bullets still have the problem of needing high relative time to cross large range.

 

[Nicetoderp]

Eh, range play won't work that well here, as Lord Recluse has teleportation and the bullets still have the problem of needing high relative time to cross large range.

Getting close just mean Geats continue to hold down the triggers. And Geats have deal with people of equal speed getting close to him in Melee before with him just gun-kata them down.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Kamen Rider Geats: 1 (@Shadowslash125)

Agnaa I haven't decided to vote yet.

 

[Agnaa]

Oh lol, I thought your post was basically saying "In short, Geats wins because of range, but I can elaborate more later".

I'll remove that, then.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Oh no, I was rehashing what I just said from the scrapped fight, so that it won't be vague anymore, and it can be used in future descriptions and stuff.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Geats: holds down triggers

Lord Recluse:

Yeah Lord Recluse is only in because he has a tendency to dick around occasionally. More often than not, actually landing your hit on a guy who looks at a military industrial complex and isn't touched by either the hail of bullets or the homing missiles that come by just approaching and solos the damn thing is pretty much impossible.

And now you're in melee with a guy who has big **** off AoEs he pretty much spams, delicious neurotoxin, ten fighting limbs, and the skill scaling to characters who look at an ocean of enemies and ******* win with just their fists. Have fun.

 

[IxaSaga]

the skill scaling to characters who look at an ocean of enemies and ******* win with just their fists.

Tempted to make an hour-long compilation of riders casually doing just that

 

[DaReaperMan]

Tempted to make an hour-long compilation of riders casually doing just that

Was there space between the folks? You punch one three take it's place surround type shit.

 

[IxaSaga]

Was there space between the folks? You punch one three take it's place surround type shit.

Wait hold up, let me get some clips.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Wait hold up, let me get some clips.

Gives me time to fish up my scan too

 

[DaReaperMan]

found it

 

[IxaSaga]

I might've gotten a bit carried away LOL

Typical rider vs army scenario:
Saber's end of world scenario
OOO and Fourze: Foundation X army introduction
Ryuki and Knight against Raydragoon swarm
Average Kamen Rider end of world scenario
Build's end of world scenario
Who can forget Dai Shocker Army?

Actual Fights:
Gaim vs monsters from multiple seasons
Fire type riders showing off
Super speed type riders blitzing
Multiple riders fighting the forever movie invasions
Double returns in Fourze vs Wizard
Birth returns in Fourze vs Wizard
Meteor aura farming

Biggest aura farmer Wizard compilation for no reason:
Wizard vs three big bads of a movie
Wizard kicks a group of goons
Wizard fighting on different levels
Hurricane Style dual wielding was always my favorite

These are from the top of my head Slash could provide some of the Geats fights but Geats in terms of skill should be on the upper echelon of the riders.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Ok ok, I'm here.
How does Recluse's TP work? Without TP, he's going to be way slower in movement speed than Geats due to speed equalisation. So in order to even go melee or in range of this guy's attacks, he has to cross through copious amounts of sniper shots and hails of bullets coming in once he has about hundreds of meters. If his TP immediately crosses the SBA distance, then disregard this.

More often than not, actually landing your hit on a guy who looks at a military industrial complex and isn't touched by either the hail of bullets or the homing missiles that come by just approaching and solos the damn thing is pretty much impossible.

Geats' information analysis and AnPr should do the trick here. IA for taking in the surroundings for better accuracy, and AnPr for visualising trajectory and landing points of attacks. Geats can already shoot bloody well even without said skills, by showing the feat that is spammed so much aka the redirection of bullets to hit its intended target, and just sort of any bullet fuckery wizardry this shooter can cast forth.

big **** off AoEs he pretty much spams

Any specifics he loves to use?

delicious neurotoxin

All Geats riders should be resistant to that, thanks to taking hits from the zombie breaker without showing any signs of poison shenanigans. Said Zombie Breaker houses all kinds of poisons, along with its own unique poison that can deconstruct, turn opponents into zombies or dissolve them into mush.

the skill scaling to characters who look at an ocean of enemies and ******* win with just their fists.

Was there space between the folks? You punch one three take it's place surround type shit.

Our boi Ace Ukiyo usually fights against literal armies of monsters frequently, due to partaking in the Desire Grand Prix death game. Everytime Geats fights monsters that number in these magnitudes, he just clears through them like it's nobody's business. And he's been doing this continuously for over 2000 years, spanning through his multiple lives. Keep this in mind, because these monsters also share the same experience thing and can catch up in power due to growing alongside the various Kamen Riders thanks to their caretaker. They have even grown to the point that they can even transform into their own versions of Kamen Riders, to which they whoop everyone that is not Kamen Rider Geats.

Also, Geats can stalemate EoS Kamen Rider Revice, who can defeat EoS Kamen Rider Saber, who in turn has defeated two different Kamen Rider Caliburs, both of whom can precog entire timelines ahead. He is far superior to Kamen Rider Blades, who could tag Kamen Rider Durendal while he had erased time with just pure skill alone. Soooo he is pretty skilled.

Have fun.

You don't know how much this is a breath of fresh air right now. This is unironically pretty cool to debate for ngl. Just what I needed after the absolute trainwreck that was the first semi-final match.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Ryuki and Knight against Raydragoon swarm

Expanding on this, another version of this fight has Ryuki fighting these swarms as he was dying of a severe stab in the chest. Despite this, he can still do good against these menaces.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I might've gotten a bit carried away LOL

Typical rider vs army scenario:
Saber's end of world scenario
OOO and Fourze: Foundation X army introduction
Ryuki and Knight against Raydragoon swarm
Average Kamen Rider end of world scenario
Build's end of world scenario
Who can forget Dai Shocker Army?

Actual Fights:
Gaim vs monsters from multiple seasons
Fire type riders showing off
Super speed type riders blitzing
Multiple riders fighting the forever movie invasions
Double returns in Fourze vs Wizard
Birth returns in Fourze vs Wizard
Meteor aura farming

Biggest aura farmer Wizard compilation for no reason:
Wizard vs three big bads of a movie
Wizard kicks a group of goons
Wizard fighting on different levels
Hurricane Style dual wielding was always my favorite

These are from the top of my head Slash could provide some of the Geats fights but Geats in terms of skill should be on the upper echelon of the riders.

Nice, very similar army solos at play, and without pulling bullshit skill...

Ok ok, I'm here.
How does Recluse's TP work? Without TP, he's going to be way slower in movement speed than Geats due to speed equalisation. So in order to even go melee or in range of this guy's attacks, he has to cross through copious amounts of sniper shots and hails of bullets coming in once he has about hundreds of meters. If his TP immediately crosses the SBA distance, then disregard this.

It CAN disregard SBA distance, but Lord Recluse would rather tank(like, 10% of the time), dodge, or destroy anything flying at him. He prefers close range so annoy him and teleportation comes out and he's there within a second.

Geats' information analysis and AnPr should do the trick here. IA for taking in the surroundings for better accuracy, and AnPr for visualising trajectory and landing points of attacks. Geats can already shoot bloody well even without said skills, by showing the feat that is spammed so much aka the redirection of bullets to hit its intended target, and just sort of any bullet fuckery wizardry this shooter can cast forth.

Oh cool, so shit Dual Pistols as a powerset just does, with a little aid from Devices for IA and AnPr. Also things Malta technically does but that's their high-tier ******* not their armies, discounting homing rockets.

Any specifics he loves to use?

Giant waves of energy and AoEs around himself.

All Geats riders should be resistant to that, thanks to taking hits from the zombie breaker without showing any signs of poison shenanigans. Said Zombie Breaker houses all kinds of poisons, along with its own unique poison that can deconstruct, turn opponents into zombies or dissolve them into mush.

Nice

You don't know how much this is a breath of fresh air right now. This is unironically pretty cool to debate for ngl. Just what I needed after the absolute trainwreck that was the first semi-final match.

Yeah just don't use the other two CoH 7-Cs and you'll be fine!

 

[IxaSaga]

Also, Geats can stalemate EoS Kamen Rider Revice, who can defeat EoS Kamen Rider Saber, who in turn has defeated two different Kamen Rider Caliburs, both of whom can precog entire timelines ahead. He is far superior to Kamen Rider Blades, who could tag Kamen Rider Durendal while he had erased time with just pure skill alone. Soooo he is pretty skilled.

Small correction, Geats ended up winning the close fight between him and Revi. Revi cannot defeat KR Saber though, they never fought against each other, only alongside. Geats however should upscale some of the Saber riders in terms of skill due to the Revi fight

 

[Shadowslash125]

Small correction, Geats ended up winning the close fight between him and Revi. Revi cannot defeat KR Saber though, they never fought against each other, only alongside. Geats however should upscale some of the Saber riders in terms of skill due to the Revi fight

Ah right

 

[Shadowslash125]

so shit Dual Pistols as a powerset just does, with a little aid from Devices for IA and AnPr.

Actually, Geats still has those wrist shooters, so he has a revolver that shoots like a machine gun, can turn into a sniper along with two gunbarrels for wrists that can probably shoot as much as his gun soooo weather forecast expects a big case of bullet danmaku.
Either that, or I did not get what you mean by that part of the argument.

It CAN disregard SBA distance, but Lord Recluse would rather tank(like, 10% of the time), dodge, or destroy anything flying at him. He prefers close range so annoy him and teleportation comes out and he's there within a second.

Funnily enough, Geats doesn't lose out when his opponents decide to go CQC with him. If anything, that just allows him to style on his opponents. Geats still has access to Monster form abilities, so Recluse would have to deal with Luffy-ahh first actions that can punch him high in the sky, or completely restrain him with his superior LS together with superior and larger hold.

Giant waves of energy and AoEs around himself.

This might bring him some trouble, but I found a new scan that has Geats somehow dodge a giant explosion that enveloped him. Said AoE can oneshot a Rider when hit. Your point is still valid. Bear in mind that this can also likely cause his Desire Amps to act up and have him equalise to Recluse in stats.

Yeah just don't use the other two CoH 7-Cs and you'll be fine!

You know the feeling when it clicks, it really clicks. Everyone is doing their best, and no shit is being flung from both sides. That shit is so powerful we don't mind losing, like how we lost the Shin vs War match.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Actually, Geats still has those wrist shooters, so he has a revolver that shoots like a machine gun, can turn into a sniper along with two gunbarrels for wrists that can probably shoot as much as his gun soooo weather forecast expects a big case of bullet danmaku.
Either that, or I did not get what you mean by that part of the argument.

Basically the shit done is also done in CoH, right down to instinctive action in both dodging and attacking, so shit Lord Recluse has fought and beaten to hell before.

Funnily enough, Geats doesn't lose out when his opponents decide to go CQC with him. If anything, that just allows him to style on his opponents. Geats still has access to Monster form abilities, so Recluse would have to deal with Luffy-ahh first actions that can punch him high in the sky, or completely restrain him with his superior LS together with superior and larger hold.

Lord Recluse frequently fights people who can fly and uh... he has twelve limbs. He's not being easily restrained in a way he can't blast Geats to hell.

This might bring him some trouble, but I found a new scan that has Geats somehow dodge a giant explosion that enveloped him. Said AoE can oneshot a Rider when hit. Your point is still valid. Bear in mind that this can also likely cause his Desire Amps to act up and have him equalise to Recluse in stats.

That could be said to be bullshit skill, in which... I mean Lord Recluse can dodge time stop. I ain't losing a bullshit skill fight with this verse. Desire amps also don't help much, Lord Recluse has a history of easily injuring those comparable to him and vice versa.

You know the feeling when it clicks, it really clicks. Everyone is doing their best, and no shit is being flung from both sides. That shit is so powerful we don't mind losing, like how we lost the Shin vs War match.

Trust me I know, I just prefer less skilled fights because I'd rather debate Warcraft which is lower skill lower hax usually lol

 

[IxaSaga]

Basically the shit done is also done in CoH, right down to instinctive action in both dodging and attacking, so shit Lord Recluse has fought and beaten to hell before.

Lord Recluse frequently fights people who can fly and uh... he has twelve limbs. He's not being easily restrained in a way he can't blast Geats to hell.

That could be said to be bullshit skill, in which... I mean Lord Recluse can dodge time stop. I ain't losing a bullshit skill fight with this verse. Desire amps also don't help much, Lord Recluse has a history of easily injuring those comparable to him and vice versa.

Trust me I know, I just prefer less skilled fights because I'd rather debate Warcraft which is lower skill lower hax usually lol

Is this the fight where we can actually go all out on? please say it so

 

[Shadowslash125]

Basically the shit done is also done in CoH, right down to instinctive action in both dodging and attacking, so shit Lord Recluse has fought and beaten to hell before.

Ah, fair. This is similar to how Geats basically said no to another person using the Magnum packed with the IA and AnPr goodness, twice. Other Geats Riders also benefit from this boon.

Lord Recluse frequently fights people who can fly and uh... he has twelve limbs. He's not being easily restrained in a way he can't blast Geats to hell.

No, I meant that Geats can enlarge his fist and punch him to the sky with his giant stretchy fist or something similar like that.
Second point is fair if Geats' fists are normal-sized. Large-sized grip means all his limbs would be held by the Class G hold.

Desire amps also don't help much, Lord Recluse has a history of easily injuring those comparable to him and vice versa.

It just makes Geats even the playing field and get onto the vice versa territory, where he can also comparably injure Lord Recluse.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Is this the fight where we can actually go all out on? please say it so

Dodge time stop, or being looked at funny, or the wind moving, or attacks spawning inside you. And then tag people who can also do that with ranged attacks.

If we want bullshit skill...

Ah, fair. This is similar to how Geats basically said no to another person using the Magnum packed with the IA and AnPr goodness, twice. Other Geats Riders also benefit from this boon.

They are comparable in denying that stuff, but only one of them actively has it.

No, I meant that Geats can enlarge his fist and punch him to the sky with his giant stretchy fist or something similar like that.
Second point is fair if Geats' fists are normal-sized. Large-sized grip means all his limbs would be held by the Class G hold.

So Geats gets constantly blasted because Lord Recluse doesn't have to move to fire. Or he teleports.

It just makes Geats even the playing field and get onto the vice versa territory, where he can also comparably injure Lord Recluse.

Fair, but largely

 

[Shadowslash125]

So Geats gets constantly blasted because Lord Recluse doesn't have to move to fire. Or he teleports.

Geats should be able to deal with teleportation, since he has gone toe-to-toe against Ninja buckle users that can teleport like this.
Also, does that mean Recluse can attack with just thoughts, since the other ways of attacks would be restrained by Geats' hold on him that won't allow him to make any moves or try and punch him and the like.

That could be said to be bullshit skill, in which... I mean Lord Recluse can dodge time stop. I ain't losing a bullshit skill fight with this verse.

Forgot to mention technically he can teleport to the Desire Grand Prix to avoid any actual big ass AoE, then reteleport back into the fight in some other part of the SBA Central Park. That doesn't really require any bullshit skill slop.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Geats should be able to deal with teleportation, since he has gone toe-to-toe against Ninja buckle users that can teleport like this.
Also, does that mean Recluse can attack with just thoughts, since the other ways of attacks would be restrained by Geats' hold on him that won't allow him to make any moves or try and punch him and the like.

He can blast energy on thoughts.

Forgot to mention technically he can teleport to the Desire Grand Prix to avoid any actual big ass AoE, then reteleport back into the fight in some other part of the SBA Central Park. That doesn't really require any bullshit skill slop.

I mean yeah LR has dealt with that sort of thing before, teleportation is very common in CoH

 

[Shadowslash125]

I mean yeah LR has dealt with that sort of thing before, teleportation is very common in CoH

To be fair, it isn't really much, it's just a defensive measure that can't really be spammed for offensive capabilities since he's technically tping to two places back to back to back.

He can blast energy on thoughts.

Yea, thought so. Geats would most likely have just a while to hold him before having to let go to defend against the attacks, at which the loop of them fighting continues again. The grab would be more dangerous when he has equalised LR in AP/Dura since that would allow him to crush LR more easily.

EDIT: I think Ixa has something cooking for a bit. RN our debate kinda ends like this for a bit cuz it's that neck-and-neck. Maybe at least till he comes back or something.

 

[DaReaperMan]

To be fair, it isn't really much, it's just a defensive measure that can't really be spammed for offensive capabilities since he's technically tping to two places back to back to back.

Yeah

Yea, thought so. Geats would most likely have just a while to hold him before having to let go to defend against the attacks, at which the loop of them fighting continues again. The grab would be more dangerous when he has equalised LR in AP/Dura since that would allow him to crush LR more easily.

Yeah but there's 10 being thrown out repeatedly so it'd pretty much immediately badly injure him lol

EDIT: I think Ixa has something cooking for a bit. RN our debate kinda ends like this for a bit cuz it's that neck-and-neck. Maybe at least till he comes back or something.

Perhaps

 

[Shadowslash125]

Yeah but there's 10 being thrown out repeatedly so it'd pretty much immediately badly injure him lol

It's particularly dangerous for him normally, but he should be able to facetank them once their AP are the same.
Ok now me sleep.

 

[Shadowslash125]

I think Ixa has something cooking for a bit. RN our debate kinda ends like this for a bit cuz it's that neck-and-neck. Maybe at least till he comes back or something.

Ixa's response. He's playing games so I'm his messenger ftm.

"We've got time manipulation dodgers in our series too. Not Time Stop but Time Erasure by Kamen Rider Durendal. By EoS, Saber riders are all capable of dodging time erasure in which Durendal skips through time and erases it so it is not possible for anyone to anpr it or anything like that. It's like a more advanced version of TP but it is confirmed not tp. It's is more tricky to predict/read/react compared to TP confirmed by Saber. It is also confirm by Durendal beating people who can TP like kamen Rider Saikou who can TP at light speed.

In addition, Kamen Riders in saber can accurately defeat speedsters that can amp speeds to blitzing speed. For 6 characters being able to do that, they repeatedly face and counter speed based characters who also are masters of their craft. Saber Skill Chain link."

 

[Shadowslash125]

Bump

 

[Shadowslash125]

So uhhh no more discussions I assume? Well, shall we just vote for our sides now then?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Ixa's response. He's playing games so I'm his messenger ftm.

"We've got time manipulation dodgers in our series too. Not Time Stop but Time Erasure by Kamen Rider Durendal. By EoS, Saber riders are all capable of dodging time erasure in which Durendal skips through time and erases it so it is not possible for anyone to anpr it or anything like that. It's like a more advanced version of TP but it is confirmed not tp. It's is more tricky to predict/read/react compared to TP confirmed by Saber. It is also confirm by Durendal beating people who can TP like kamen Rider Saikou who can TP at light speed.

In addition, Kamen Riders in saber can accurately defeat speedsters that can amp speeds to blitzing speed. For 6 characters being able to do that, they repeatedly face and counter speed based characters who also are masters of their craft. Saber Skill Chain link."

Now the question is AoE, cause there's plenty of AoE on the hax for CoH lol

Not that it really matters, skill is basically equal and Lord Recluse tends to attack faster, so he has my very high diff vote

 

[Shadowslash125]

Now the question is AoE, cause there's plenty of AoE on the hax for CoH lol

Uhh the AoE for TIme Erasure or in general? If it's the former, then I think like the time erasure aoe is huge enough to affect people in entirely different areas of the battlefield. Otherwise, I might have to find feats for that or something.

very high diff

You know shit is real when votes are high diff. Voting Geats very high diff as well.

BTW in the on chance you win both this and the Ali match, are you going to debate with yourself?

 

[DaReaperMan]

BTW in the on chance you win both this and the Ali match, are you going to debate with yourself?

Lord Recluse loses against Ikit, because Warhammer Mage.

 

[DontTalkDT]

In addition, Kamen Riders in saber can accurately defeat speedsters that can amp speeds to blitzing speed.

What do you understand under a speed blitz? The wiki typically puts it as

Speed Blitz is the act of one attacking their opponent before they are capable of perceiving or reacting to them.

I don't think that can be countered via skill, because... like, for skill to become relevant you would need time to perform a reaction?
Or do you mean with aid of accelerated development or something?

 

[Shadowslash125]

I might have to find feats for that or something.

Here's some more AoE dodge feats and some other dodge feats that I manage to scrounge up for the moment.
I also found out that Geats can use forcefields in magnum form, so the waves part is more manageable for him, especially when he's been amped.
So uhh more stuff... Yay.

 

[IxaSaga]

What do you understand under a speed blitz? The wiki typically puts it as

I don't think that can be countered via skill, because... like, for skill to become relevant you would need time to perform a reaction?
Or do you mean with aid of accelerated development or something?

In Saber, Kamen Riders have different ways of fighting and to counter speed blitzes, they have to be pretty creative and skilled with their abilities to pull it off.

Speed Blitzes in question:
Espada's Trueno Destroder
Desast's Calamity Strike

Calibur for example uses his dragons and overwhelms Espada with their sheer power to stop Espada from moving and to repel him back. We can see that Espada blinks away before Calibur is able to summon his dragons, yet they were able to repel him back.
Case 1
Case 2

While other riders such as Buster has high defense so he turtles up and waits for the perfect moment to deliver a single strike that can defeat them.
Case in point

Another rider by the name of Sabela has Instinctive dodge, which leads to her dodging Calamity Slash even out of an ambush.
Case in point

 

[IxaSaga]

Voting Geats FRA I think Geats' projectiles vs AOE waves can both be dodge but the fact that Geats' bullets can miss but bounce back/create explosions would make it have more chances to hit considering the sheer number of bullets Geats can fling out.

 

[Shadowslash125]

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