Ah okay, I was under the impression that the combat speeds are MHS since the justification says, "Comparable to Mages that can react to lightning attacks with counterwards/spells" which I assume mages can move fast enough to counter lightning striking at them
Being able to think/speak in response to an incoming attack is reaction speed. Combat speed involves a series of distinct physical movements, reaction speed involves thought, speech, or a brief physical movement (throwing one's body to dodge a projectile) in response to something perceived.
I don't understand the argument being made there.
That's the funny part, in Fantasy usually they don't. Mages in battles either stalemate eachother dealing with the other guy, whether this be from entering a war over control of that bolt of lightning one just shot out or counterspelling eachother into oblivion, it doesn't matter, or catastrophically damage the army on the other side of the field.
The justification, "Comparable to Mages that can react to lightning attacks with counterwards/spells", would mean that they can actually both cast and ready their spells that quickly that would counter lightning.
For literally fodder mages who are like High 8-C Max, yeah, but Ikit is literally a level 4 mage, he's in the same tier of mage as ******* Archaon. He does most of his spells via thought unless the spell specifically requires him to aim or touch.
Ah okay I see
A similar move happened in Geats where Geats characters were able to survive something like that
I'm afraid having a Warpstone nuke dropping on him that's also High 7-C is a bit above Geats' paygrade. Espeically noting it's Warpstone and you're detonating it anywhere near someone who doesn't resist anything from it. Imagine detonating a Nuke with its radiation multiplied by five and also being corruptive poison to the mind and soul.
What's the failure rate on that sorta weapon?
For those missiles? They have never failed on-screen, nor have ever been stated to fail. However, Ikit generally only prepares one or two unless he's planning to scorched earth a region, which this rat has deleted mountain ranges before so he does sometimes do that, but preparing that takes more than an hour.
That shouldn't be used here then haha. Although, Geats somehow manages to survive an attack that nukes the entire Earth in the movie. Thats in another key so we can't use that either.
Eh, it's not something he uses in the Tiersetter match because it ends before he's bugged THAT much, it probably won't even happen here unless Geats is that slippery
Depends on exactly which teleport but usually a few dozen meters for what Ikit will actually use. Some Ulgu shit does let him turn into Aethyr to dodge shit and whatnot, but he can't properly act in that form.
Not sure where you got this from. Geats' bullet doesn't really break space and time for explosions, it's literally just explosion manip that all riders have.
In that case, Geats' luck doesn't fall into any territory that insinuates that it can break the laws of reality. Unlike most of the other characters that have supernatural luck, the showings of his luck are minor compared to them. If it were the case, then Geats would've never lost a fight, died, or have himself split into 4 main attributes of himself by the enemy. At best, it just spawns some outside help, but that doesn't work in vs threads in general. So the next best thing is just the surroundings that aid him in ways that make sense. Like say Ikit's army slips and falls from the mud.
Geats can essentially just teleport to the DGP, which is like way far from the battlefield, then teleport somewhere safer and out of the danger zone of those things tbh.
Yea uhh that's going to take a while for Ikit to reach Geats' location, while Geats can just anticipate and pick up where he's going to TP with his radar and get a good prepared shot of him when he tps or gets out of his aethyr manip.
Eh, fair enough I guess.
Now that I think about it, there's a whole ass forest for Ikit and his bois to navigate through (at least normally) to see Geats. Going back to Kokken, wouldn't her slashes be noticeable, as in those can destroy the trees in her path? Such destruction would be picked up by even the average person. In contrast, Geats' bullet really feels like finding a needle in a haystack, thanks to the forest setting. It kinda doesn't help that fighting in urban settings are his forte, and he'd no doubt be able to make use of what Central Park has to offer. He may even go on top of buildings to better get sniping positions to accurately hit Ikit or his mages. Keep in mind that the danmaku spam is only applicable in his normal revolver mode, which is in the hundreds of meters range, so you'll be seeing sniper more in this match.
Good to know Geats doesn't actually spam it then because it is explicitly finishers that make people explode, hence why the space-time bit was the only thing I found on explosions for non-finishers. Plus, that is pretty much a supernatural explosion attached to it so gabagool. and same result. Once the concept is applied to XYZ, it's just fire that got thrown.
Luck in Geats' case is inherently supernatural, because nothing it DOES is natural. Hell, Supernatural luck isn't that good in Aethyr Manipulation, it just sorta exists there.
Except for the space-time manipulation.
Yeah considering your argument for Geats is him sensing Aethyr somehow, what stops Ikit from having one of his Warplock Jezzails line up exactly where Geats is gonna end up and have him teleport into a warpstone bullet?
Prove he can sense Aethyr. Or that Ikit can't see where he's going which he can.
Ikit knows exactly where Geats is at all times because Riders can literally rewrite history and have like a dozen innately supernatural things about them. So can all of the other mages. His luck alone is a dead giveaway because that is something Witchsight sees when it's supernatural... Which Geats' is.
Prove Geats can explode air, because any of the mages can delete his turtle-slow bullets in a big ass area.
Ohhh, is that the point? That since their detection works on things which, after their creation, are mundane, that it should work on some other mostly-mundane things like Geats' bullets that can cause explosions?
It works on the mundane and the not mundane, yeah.
Desire power will let him live the nuke( the same desire power made the made them tier jump to equal when first time meeting revice/ryuki riders with literally a few eps later after this ""geats"" we are using. they somehow did it causes they felt real strong . "the final boss of geats" beat 3 final form users at the same time they got up fought him in base form winning. geats was already beating him in his base form before this by himself) he lived through the zombie breaker which has ""ALL"" poison - a tech future people can example Known as the God Killer, Mela had killed many deities in his lifetime, including just legit gods Loki and susanoo just as a "speed-runner" streamer. id core/his willpower will protect is mind& soul will get to keep how ever u are the same .
Yeah uh mate? Warpstone at that level is instant kill to humans. It's the roblox death sound, not something that can be Stat amped through lmfao
oh ok magic legit ""look at you"" dying not needing to hit his flesh
I mean like 80% of that stuff is meaningless without feats, Warpstone has it's radiation directly stated to instant kill(a scan actually on Ikit's profile), and Geats has 0 resistance to Radiation in any key, so I can't even give him the benefit of the doubt: if he exists in a meter radius of exploding Warpstone (like a Warpfire Thrower, a Doomrocket, or just a nuke) he dies instantly.
Funny thing about Warhammer characters, if you're a good enough natural power character you can beat em. This is how the Culexus Assassin has actually lost a match despite having 1-A passives
There is a Wincon for Ikit: Only one of these characters has infinite stamina.
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Oh my ******* god.
Again, does this mean anyone that plucks up a four leaf clover becomes noticeable by any aethyr users???
I mean, how in the hell would Ikit even know where to place his traps? If your answer is space-time manip again, it's moot.
Prove that he can't appear in Geats radar for whatever reason. Ikit wouldn't be teleporting while being in his aethyr form, would he? If it's just him teleporting, Geats radar can still pick up his physical body, no?
They can't willingly or even rewrite history here. You'd be spot on if this was against someone like Decade, but Geats and Decade are nothing alike. If it's like what you said throughout this thread, then why tf is Geats even here in the first place? Then again, Ikit on his own is severely outranged by Geats, so prove to me, he can sense him from 4 ******* kilometers. At most Ikit will be able to sense the fuckery that happens from said ability (if it even happens), but it can't be traced to Geats himself since he's 4kms from Ikit's max aethyr range.
Then by all means, Kokken's slashes will absolutely register in his books. Oh wait, you said that it wouldn't.
Tell me the exact way Kokken's turtle slow slashes can win against Ikit's army, even for 5% since I cannot fathom how this guy of all guys is able to get through the tiersetter like Trishula Anchor.
At this point, we're all agreeing to disagree rn.
Then change your justification in Rider Physiology, cause it says finishers lol
Which is still something hanging over them, it's something that HAPPENS with a Rider, no matter the reason. So yeah, even if he wasn't lucky, Geats is easy to track.
Yes
How would Geats? Same point.
If Geats is reactive Ikit isn't being tagged, that's sorta the point. Especially because by the time Ikit was doing this, he'd be thoroughly tired of Geats' shit, so he's just trying to kill him. He might even have the Grey Seers summon a Verminlord and uh... those things are Skaven Greater Daemons. Who are also just straight up MHS. And High 6-C. Thats a late game thing to do, but if Geats is as slippery as you say, the teleporting 15 foot tall rat monster would DEAL with matters.
I can either grab Meline making sure a boat doesn't sink in a bad storm and later stating that she could sense dark magick in it despite the chaos and the many precautions an Elf mage has to take to not get Daemon'd, Teclis being able to sense the Flame of Asuryan from the literal other side of an island, or Thanquol being able to comfortably track Gotrek and Felix when he puts his mind to it.
I focused on the opponent, not you complaining Ikit got past the tier setter. Kokken isn't just doing one even if they noticed it.
There's nothing like Kokken's shockwaves in Aethyr lmfao, she swings her sword and it happens, she doesn't summon Gork's foot to crush someone that just so happens to cause a shockwave, even Eadbutt uses green energy with it's shockwave!
Kokken spamming them from over a Kilometer away, and it wouldn't be beyond them to think the first one was all they had to stop lol
Indeed, we've left our votes, now leave it to the people to decide
Geats is lucky, all of his stuff is affected by said luck to my knowledge, so yeh.
I haven't voted, I'm still trying to figure things out. The whole argument up till now assumes Kamen Rider (Geats) are supernatural which is not the case.
However, from what I've gathered the luck still applies to the bullets, no?
It's never shown to have luck involved unless you can prove that it does. Geats trickshotting is due to his anpr and skill.
Massively Hypersonic is good although, it would be incredibly hard to spot because of the location and that bullets are smaller than a roach. This then circle back to earlier arguments where explosions would detonate.
7-C bullets would be hard pressed to bounce here so yeh
Most Skaven who go rogue have pretty bad and unpredictable aim that goes and bounces everywhere in their laboratories. This doesn't help them, especially when Skaven as a race tend to sneak around and attack from unpredictable angles, and where there's one Skaven, there's actually 50 minimum. It's pretty much impossible to tag a Skaven caster as old as Ikit with proper ranged weaponry, especially not as advanced as a caster as Ikit.
Unlike those Skavens, Geats' aim is always consistent through and through. Even when it seems like this guy missed his shots, shit like that are actually trickshots. The one feat I always spam a lot has him do that without being in Magnum Form, and bullet fuckery like that can only usually happen when one is in magnum form. Since Geats here is in magnum form, his accuracy is even more dangerous here, since his Magnum form allows him to shoot at opponents in the most unexpected and unorthodox form possible (not like it wasn't possible before but y'know). Also, it's possible for him to explode his own bullets or other nearby objects.
