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I think you can at best argue for incon to Yhwach since he can't really deal with Bill's type 9 immo (Assuming that it's combat applicable and that if Bill's soul, body and mind he can immediately come back due to his type 9 immo right?)
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Bill Cipher vs Yhwach (0-0-1)
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NEP Nature Type 5 should cover this, I’m pretty sure + SI + Rage Power
That’s not how Immortality Type 9 works? He comes back as long as his true form exists.
NEP Nature Type 5.
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Bill Cipher has shown to be able to regenerate, and given how the author, Ford and Bill himself said it, pretty much.
Will reply to the rest later.
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TBF Bill is a smurf given that his whole existence is across a 1-B sized realm and the Mindscape itself is based on said 1-B cosmology.
I doubt Yhwach can do that, it's pretty much NLF (Plus Bill has power null too).
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Also yeah... how does Yhwach deal with SI?
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He resists mind and empathic manip
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not the same
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That’s not same. Convincing people via charisma is not mind manipulation lolz.
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What are you talking about? Resisting madness doesn't make you resist fear, nor does resisting EE make you resist deconstruction. I've never seen a wiki work this way.
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SI is natural charisma, not enforced mind hax
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Informal warning, cool it with these sorts of comments that border on insulting users' intelligence.
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His NEP is being an "idea"
Yhwach can interact with a being that is purely made up of memories, as to which memories are the foundation of ideas so yeah.
I believe Yhwach can even interact with this form.
Considering that, his immortality is reliant on him being an idea sure, but that doesn't change the fact that his physical form can be interacted with
Which just means that any actual form he attempts to take just gets instantly soul crushed, which would basically make him incapped.
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I mean, fear is just a part of madness, and desconstruction is a far worse version of EE.
I mean, you cannot resist worse counterparts of the hax you've shown resistance to? That'd be a statement.
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The thing is that Bill can just attack Yhwach from far away of the latter's range in this case.
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Also can Bill deal with Mid-Godly regen and Type 4 immo (His negation shouldn't work on yhwach since it requires soul manip which Yhwach resists). Also regarding Bill's precog Yhwach should resist it since he Has Mimihagi's abilities.
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TBH if Bill tricks Yhwach in making a deal with him, idk, as Yhwach would technically give up these things to him.
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These memories and ideas are not nonexistent in nature, so nope.
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1-B smurf precog smh
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I assume you're claiming that he can attack him from the mindscape or whatever?
Idk alot of the gravity falls cosmology either way, if he can attack Yhwach from the mindscape or whatever the best you can get is an incon as Yhwach just powernulls him
But i'd like to see some proof for that claim, that he can actually attack beings in the real world, from the mindscape directly.
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So provide the thread, page or staff saying this to support your argument that resisting madness type 3 resists fear or resisting EE resists deconstruction.
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You might wanna read this.
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Is Bill a better manipulator than Aizen? Because not even Aizen bothers to do that
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It's just range lol, a higher range precog =/= resisting layers of precog powernull
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ngl common sense is not really an argument here
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Bill himself can't go out of Yhwach's range. He doesn't have HDI, only his abilities have 1-B range. He will just get constantly soul crushed (I assume he can't fight without a physical form) leaving him incapped.
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He can literally precog all of his versions on all higher dimensional axises over the entire Multiverse… that’s more powerful than just 4D universal precog.
Also:
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- Bill can travel across the whole multiverse which is High 1-C.
- Bill can send messages from outside the timeline.
- His goons could throw things from the Nightmare Realm to Earth
- My argument wasn't that he can attack from the mindscape, but that he can affect Yhwach from quite literally another n-dimensional universe that's outside Yhwach's range.
Idk man, unless you wanna say that resisting fire =/= resisting heat, then I can easily argue that resisting a hax = resisting weaker subsets of it.
Yhwach can affect a 1-B cosmology?
He literally has dimensional travel and teleportation across said 1-B multiverse, lol.
Bill doesn't have a physical form here.
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Yhwach doesn't resist SI on his profile.
Plus Aizen could've not done it for other reasons.
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Common sense is irrelevant here. It's not really an argument or anything concrete. Especially when there are others here who don't agree with this idea and when the wiki we're on is based on standards and things written on the page. In fact, you wouldn't even need that to talk to me. Just find some Staff who agrees with you. Because as it stands now, it's just a "trust me"
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"More powerful" there is no correlation of power in precognition, it's just range.
The exact same concept applies to souls, soul haxing one person is equal to soul haxing Aleph 2 amount of souls, literally irrelevant it's just counted as range.
If you resist the basis of the ability, all the rest becomes inherently useless, in this Case, Yhwach resists precog.
and sure, it's irrelevant here, as this only applies to the mindscape.
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Sure, so it's an incon, as Bill literally has no way of doing anything to Yhwach
And Yhwach simply can't affect him due to range
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I can say the same with you.
Can you stop spamming this argument from authority and actually refute my point?
As a Mindscape being, Bill has all the abilities of such here.
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Counted.
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I would've accumulated enough money to buy several Bleach volumes if I had a nickel for every time Yhwach was put against a smurf or someone who outclasses him in almost every way
Every Yhwach fight goes like this
Every Yhwach fight goes like this
- Yhwach is put against a smurf or someone who outclasses him in almost every way
- He either has no way to win or his win con is so astronomically small that it's borderline stomp
- Bleach fans can't take an L and can't recognize a stomp to save their lives so they argue over Planck-size win con of Yhwach winning the match
- He gets a loss added to his profile from a character that stomps him to hell and back
Bill curbstomps
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NLF to assume his baseline precog resists Bill.
Not really, he himself is an idea.
Anyways, won’t vote cuz Bill stomps.
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Why doesn't he have HDI then?
He can fight in his idea form if Yhwach keeps destroying his nonexistent form passively?
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You have provided nothing that proves your claim, of bill stomping Yhwach
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Why even comment useless shit like this?
Especially with 0 arguments
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Alright, I'll also get Bill stomp votes (which are already 3, @Shar122, @TheOrangeGuy09 and @ExSENNA).
Bill also is not that because he is explicitly 2-D.
What can Yhwach do against Bill using SI on him from another universe?
What is HDI? If you mean HDE, I hope you know that it's not necessary to be Higher-Dimensional to travel across higher dimensions.
Bill also is not that because he is explicitly 2-D.
WELL, I have one.
What can Yhwach do against Bill using SI on him from another universe?
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