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Trinity Seven upgrade

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At last, the new chapter is out! I can’t wait to uncover some mysteries, it looks so peak, and see what new stuff they will introduce, etc Two months without a new Trinity Seven chapter was too much 😭
https://jestful.net/bsaq-trinity-seven-7-nin-no-masho-tsukai-raw-chapter-163.html

Antvasima said:
Okay. I will ask for input again, but if none arrives, I suppose that this revision can be applied, in lack of better options. 🙏

Are any of you willing and able to help evaluate this please? 🙏
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How long should we wait for Ultima to reply before concluding this thread? Should we give it one more week? If he doesn’t respond, then we can conclude the thread. since he does this sometimes
Ultima_Reality said:
Was just made aware of this thread. Will peek through the OP. (Unless there's anything else?)
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What is your evaluation of the OP?
 
Grabbing_dragon said:
How long should we wait for Ultima to reply before concluding this thread? Should we give it one more week? If he doesn’t respond, then we can conclude the thread. since he does this sometimes
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It is not for you to decide. If Ultima said he is going to evaluate it then you are going to have to wait. What is with the rush anyways ? You are not doing a multi billion air job.
 
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Ultima has some issues so he may not respond until at least next week. This thread is almost eight months old. If it has enough mod votes then it should move along.
 
Which staff members have accepted or rejected what here so far? 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
Which staff members have accepted or rejected what here so far? 🙏
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The only thing that 100% in my mind and that will hold my grip at the moment will be the 1-A Akasha Records, since how they portray it in the verse is pretty straightforward. Can't comment on the other stuff rn, since there is some material here that I'm not familiar with yet due to not having...
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I meant a much more coherent summary of staff usernames followed by their views regarding these issues. 🙏
 
Mizuki67 said:
I still feel like the approval given here is very limited. Can we even count or trust Garrixian input when she got banned from the wiki previously.
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I would be fine if this was a rather new thread and their trying to rush it too much. However, this long-extended period of having to wait is rather unnecessary.

Regardless, if it requires more mods due to the fact that the approval is limited then we could maybe wait longer, but there's a certain point where a thread loses interest to the mods. It’s better to carry on with what is given at that point.

The mods can decide if it moves on, so we’ll just have to wait, but this thread shouldn’t be held this long in my personal opinion.
 
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Well, within this particular thread, we have only waited for Ultima for 8 days, so I think that we can wait for 1 or 2 weeks more before we apply this at least. 🙏
 
Honestly of the three realms described here the Akashic Records seem to be what's most convincingly 1-A. Given that:

  • Contains all the prototypical concepts that are the source of reality,
  • Independent of reality proper
  • Contains all spacetime indistinctly in itself
  • Stuff about things being contained in the dreams of its residents (Which is also described as "a principle way outside time, space and dimensions")

The counter-counterargument for the last thing, in particular, seems satisfactory enough. So, the Akashic Records being 1-A has my approval. That said, I'm skeptical of the Archives and the Clouds being 1-A, and by extension of the Recorde being High 1-A. There's the visual depiction of the guy in there viewing events as part of a story he writes here, but I don't know what exactly makes this R>F as opposed to some form of Subjective Reality.

And the fact that the Archives are a higher realm than the normal world isn't sufficient to conclude this, because from what I see, the two pieces of information are never correlated in the text; it's not "The Archives are a higher realm, and so the regular world is a story in it," but "We know the Archives are a higher realm, and that this guy somehow views events as within a story." The latter is obviously different from the former because the latter still permits it to be, say, a 4-D or 5-D character creating a 3-D or 4-D reality using Subjective Reality.

There's also this:

Overall it's High 1-A due to being an aspatial and atemporal realm that lacks physicality (since it contains nothing but the archetypal concepts of everything in the lower reality, and which also is independent of that reality and gave birth to it in the first place), while other higher dimensions are still subject to physical, spatial and temporal aspects, and returning to this formless chaos causes them all to cease to exist indicates that the Akashic Records are superior to spacetime and physicality wholesale, including in their substance.
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Which evidently is trying to have its cake and eat it too.

Here is also a mention of a "fourth dimension." What's it referring to, may I ask?
 
Ultima_Reality said:
The counter-counterargument for the last thing, in particular, seems satisfactory enough. So, the Akashic Records being 1-A has my approval. That said, I'm skeptical of the Archives and the Clouds being 1-A, and by extension of the Recorde being High 1-A. There's the visual depiction of the guy in there viewing events as part of a story he writes here, but I don't know what exactly makes this R>F as opposed to some form of Subjective Reality.

And the fact that the Archives are a higher realm than the normal world isn't sufficient to conclude this, because from what I see, the two pieces of information are never correlated in the text; it's not "The Archives are a higher realm, and so the regular world is a story in it," but "We know the Archives are a higher realm, and that this guy somehow views events as within a story." The latter is obviously different from the former because the latter still permits it to be, say, a 4-D or 5-D character creating a 3-D or 4-D reality using Subjective Reality.
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is the fact that heaven(the place where archives are) is called the central point of all worlds and dimensions an anti-feat for 1-A heaven/archives?
 
Ultima_Reality said:
Honestly of the three realms described here the Akashic Records seem to be what's most convincingly 1-A. Given that:

  • Contains all the prototypical concepts that are the source of reality,
  • Independent of reality proper
  • Contains all spacetime indistinctly in itself
  • Stuff about things being contained in the dreams of its residents (Which is also described as "a principle way outside time, space and dimensions")

The counter-counterargument for the last thing, in particular, seems satisfactory enough. So, the Akashic Records being 1-A has my approval. That said, I'm skeptical of the Archives and the Clouds being 1-A, and by extension of the Recorde being High 1-A. There's the visual depiction of the guy in there viewing events as part of a story he writes here, but I don't know what exactly makes this R>F as opposed to some form of Subjective Reality.

And the fact that the Archives are a higher realm than the normal world isn't sufficient to conclude this, because from what I see, the two pieces of information are never correlated in the text; it's not "The Archives are a higher realm, and so the regular world is a story in it," but "We know the Archives are a higher realm, and that this guy somehow views events as within a story." The latter is obviously different from the former because the latter still permits it to be, say, a 4-D or 5-D character creating a 3-D or 4-D reality using Subjective Reality.

There's also this:



Which evidently is trying to have its cake and eat it too.

Here is also a mention of a "fourth dimension." What's it referring to, may I ask?
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What I mean is not "The Archives are a higher realm, and so the regular world is a story in it", but “Mitsui perceives the main timeline as a fictional story in his book so he is 1-A, and this makes everything on the same level of existence as him (like the Archive) 1-A too”. Story inside a book is fictional by default and there’s nothing suggest that it’s not fictional, such evidence is needed (plus that world and Mitsui are in two separate planes). Saying that Mitsui might be a 5-D character creating 4-D world via subjective reality is as same as saying the Archive where he lives is fifth dimension, while it’s shown and described to be a physical place for numerous times rather than an axis.

The fourth dimension in the last scan is mentioned for once so it’s unknown what it refers to.
 
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Delta333 said:
The fourth dimension in the last scan is mentioned for once so it’s unknown what it refers to.
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It looks moreso like an expression of the action for transcending time and space. (considering the literal parenthesis next to it explaining that and the fact the lower worlds already are an infinite multiverse and worlds being able accommodate so and so anyways).

Edit: Aka it acts as leeway to emphasize the potential height and growth maguses can reach. -see heaven where people quite literally live there after their bodies are able to ascend there unlike how only the consciousness of a magus would be able to do so naturally when connecting to archives-.
 
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Ultima_Reality said:
"The Archives are a higher realm, and so the regular world is a story in it,"
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I also thought that would have been a better way to phrase it. Now, it's time to prove it.

The world is a story.
It is a spacetime they are trying to save.
The main character in that world or story wants a happy ending.
Meanwhile, in a higher dimension, that world/spacetime is just a storybook within it.
that world being true to the trinity seven universe.
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There's also this:



Which evidently is trying to have its cake and eat it too.
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Nah, he copied that from you, when you first to provide the 1A justification. The higher dimensions are not included within all spacetime, but rather, are included in all dimensions. This explanation justifies High 1A better.
Ultima_Reality said:
Here is also a mention of a "fourth dimension." What's it referring to, may I ask?
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The term was used one time and was not clearly explained by the author, making its meaning vague.
 
Ultima_Reality said:
Here is also a mention of a "fourth dimension." What's it referring to, may I ask?
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Wesker018 said:
is the fact that heaven(the place where archives are) is called the central point of all worlds and dimensions an anti-feat for 1-A heaven/archives?
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yeah hard disagree with the H1A proposal mainly because of these reasons. This is literally the same case as summer time rendering claiming the higher dimension as a 1A place just because some character see the lower reality as a story book / transcend space and time but they are still bounded by dimensions. You can literally transcend space and time and still become a higher dimensional being
 
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I think that what Ultima has accepted here can be applied, but not what he has rejected or hasn't accepted yet.

Thank you for helping out. 🙏❤️
 
Mizuki67 said:
yeah hard disagree with the H1A proposal mainly because of these reasons. This is literally the same case as summer time rendering claiming the higher dimension as a 1A place just because some character see the lower reality as a story book / transcend space and time but they are still bounded by dimensions. You can literally transcend space and time and still become a higher dimensional being
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yeah this seems like plot manip and text manipulation
 
Mizuki67 said:
yeah hard disagree with the H1A proposal mainly because of these reasons. This is literally the same case as summer time rendering claiming the higher dimension as a 1A place just because some character see the lower reality as a story book / transcend space and time but they are still bounded by dimensions. You can literally transcend space and time and still become a higher dimensional being
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That would only apply if "dimensions" refers to mathematical dimensions. Here, it just references realms, worlds, and planes of existence. In this context, since they are not axes, if a character views a lower reality as fiction, then it is R>F, and they would be able to have their own notion of dimensions different from the lower realm.
 
Mizuki67 said:
yeah hard disagree with the H1A proposal mainly because of these reasons. This is literally the same case as summer time rendering claiming the higher dimension as a 1A place just because some character see the lower reality as a story book / transcend space and time but they are still bounded by dimensions. You can literally transcend space and time and still become a higher dimensional being
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What is the point of quoting Ultima’s question
 
Fourth dimension in that piece of Glossary text isn't literal, it's an expression that acts as leeway to refer to something that transcends time and space.

Taking 'being of the fourth dimension' too literal is -KIND OF- weird when you realize the height of the verse apart from that ONE single quote. The expression is clear enough.
 
Mizuki67 said:
yeah hard disagree with the H1A proposal mainly because of these reasons.
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Because one of the reasons being the mention of 'being of the 4th dimension' when the parenthesis say transcend time and space to refer to the act itself and not to be taken super literally for a verse that already has an infinite multiverse as it's lowest in the cosmology since the second arc???

edit: also, the guy before you just said that second one isn't even an anti-feat most of the time due to its common nature in fiction.. what's with the moving with haste here???
 
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Ruler_Star_Kuma said:
Because one of the reasons being the mention of 'being of the 4th dimension' when the parenthesis say transcend time and space to refer to the act itself and not to be taken super literally for a verse that already has an infinite multiverse as it's lowest in the cosmology since the second arc???
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and ? Just because you destroy / scale to an infinite multiverse doesn’t automatically make you a 4th-dimensional being. I have my own way of interpreting this.

The verse explicitly mention that transcending space and time would get you to atleast 4D. You are just changing the way of explanation to make it sound logical

Ruler_Star_Kuma said:
edit: also, the guy before you just said that second one isn't even an anti-feat most of the time due to its common nature in fiction.. what's with the moving with haste here???
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okay ? so I am not allowed to disagree to a person who isnt even staff ?
 
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Mizuki67 said:
and ? Just because you destroy / scale to an infinite multiverse or it exists in a lower realm doesn’t automatically make you a 4th-dimensional being. I have my own way of interpreting this.
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I did not say anything -once- about them being 4th Dimensional beings as a result if anybody did that or not, because that's clearly not my overall point there. I'd rather you not misconstrue what I'm saying.
Mizuki67 said:
The verse explicitly mention that transcending space and time would get you to atleast 4D. You are just changing your way of explanation to make it sound logical
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Changing my way of explanation to make it sound logical???

When the expression that isn't meant to be taken verbatim seriously and it's being automatically taken for face value -without considering if it's fitting in line- with the overall story??? Even worse -it doesn't-.
 
Ruler_Star_Kuma said:
When the expression that isn't meant to be taken verbatim seriously and it's being automatically taken for face value -without considering if it's fitting in line- with the overall story??? Even worse -it doesn't-.
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This doesn't really matter; they're being compared to or referred as 4th-dimensional beings, which only adds more room for doubt that they are beyond dimensions to begin with
 
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Mizuki67 said:
This doesn't really matter; they're being compared to 4th-dimensional beings, which only adds more room for doubt that they are beyond dimensions to begin with
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Which 1-A characters being compared to 4th dimensional beings?
 
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