Trinity Seven Magus Physiology and Abyss Trinity Additions

[Grabbing_dragon]

The proposals are in the sandbox, and that should be good enough to get rid of that outdated temple from Abyss Trinity. I also propose Magus Physiology page creation

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Agree: Celestial_Pegasus, @ActuallySpaceMan42 @DarkDragonMedeus
Disagree: @ActuallySpaceMan42 and @DarkDragonMedeus on TD and Invulnerability
Neutral: Celestial_Pegasus TD 1

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

that should be good enough to get rid of that outdated temple from Abyss Trinity.

This should almost complete it.

Low 1-C AP addition for Trinity Seven characters

Hello guys, welcome to my CRT. That is all I’ve got to say, and the proposals are below in the sandbox: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Grabbing_dragon/Sandbox3 Agree: Disagree: Neutral:

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[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

I'll hold my opinions for a bit (though some obviously look easier to go over than others) I'll need some time

 

[RitsuØ1]

Skimming through it, found a few problems.

Disagree on Invulnerability. Doesn't seem like it. No mechanics behind it.

Disagree on Passive Erasures. Doesn't seem passive at all.

Has Quiddity been accepted?

 

[BreezeHM]

I have the same thoughts as Ritsu.

Though I am curious as to why you have CM Types 1 & 3.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Feel like Invulnerability can be changed to something else (granted I thought it probably could be before) because it reminds me a lot of BlazBlue's own invulnerability justification, just that in this case it's Magus' being so disconnected from humans and the world principle that they defy from conventional aspects/laws to where manmade things are unable to be wielded/held by them

the mechanic is sadly not explored enough though, but it is also iirc the reason why lilith creates gun weapons rather than just uses a normal one

The passive stuff in Abyss' case (as well as any other demon lord) can just be changed to 'for their soul' i'm pretty sure

No thoughts on Quiddity stuff though, but other stuff looks fine to me for now so I'll likely say when something does look off to me

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Disagree on Invulnerability. Doesn't seem like it. No mechanics behind it.

It does seem like invulnerability to me. If they are truly unbound by the physical laws of the human world, then I don’t see how an attack or man-made weapon from a human bound by those physical laws could affect them. It’s basically similar to how an entity bound by dimensionality wouldn’t be able to do anything against one who transcends it.

Disagree on Passive Erasures. Doesn't seem passive at all.

I don’t see how it isn’t a passive effect from their soul, since they don’t have control over it. They don’t activate it, it simply automatically erases those who come into contact with it.

Has Quiddity been accepted?

Trinity Seven Cosmology Page

Trinity Seven is a manga series written by Kenji Saito and illustrated by Akinari Nao, known for its harem, fantasy, comedy, and ecchi aspects. It also has a few spin-off mangas and light novels that go into detail with stories connected to the main story. Despite how one might view it at first...

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Though I am curious as to why you have CM Types 1 & 3.

Type 1 comes from how magic demonstrates a level of energy that can break existing independent concepts of the world, and Type 3 comes from magic itself how it maintains existence. Without it, one would disappear or lose control of what it is.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

I don’t see how it isn’t a passive effect from their soul, since they don’t have control over it. They don’t activate it, it simply automatically erases those who come into contact with it.

You could put 'for his/her soul' within the parenthesis

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

You could put 'for his/her soul' within the parenthesis

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Feel like Invulnerability can be changed to something else (granted I thought it probably could be before) because it reminds me a lot of BlazBlue's own invulnerability justification, just that in this case it's Magus' being so disconnected from humans and the world principle that they defy from conventional aspects/laws to where manmade things are unable to be wielded/held by them

Considering the world principle exists as something in series which is what Magus' are against by the means of even existing, and is on the t7 profiles right now (though it's put as acausality type 4), the manmade weapons unable to be held by them works in tandem with it I feel

So I don't think it's not that Invulnerability can't work (cause it certainly can with this type of reasoning compared to other series)

 

[ChrisXtrinity]

Agree with op, sandbox sustains whats introduced. Also Abyss page is very outdate

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Bumb

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

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Could request some staff to check

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Could request some staff to check

Do it.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

New base Intelligence addition, though it would have looked weird if every character’s base IQ was nigh-omniscient, due to part high-ranking maguses having wisdom of all possible worlds, so I decided to play it safe, only giving that IQ to gods.

Supergenius (One of a magus’s fundamental qualities is that they possess above-normal spirit and assertiveness, along with a way of thinking that operates outside usual human ethics. They analyze and decode unsolved mysteries that defy logic and mysterious incidents believed to be related to magic, as well as comprehend supernatural phenomena that exist beyond the laws of the real world and occur in parallel universes and alternate dimensions. A high-level magus goes above the above, as they are also capable of processing the massive amount of information of another dimension. They are even capable of grasping the wisdom of all worlds, there being an infinite number of worlds that branch infinitely. An example of a high-ranking magus is Liese, who can process the knowledge and experience of her other infinite selves in infinite branching parallel worlds, thus processing infinite information.)

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

added information type 2 ,before this , I had zero expectation for it.

Maguses manipulate a power called magic, which is itself fundamental information and life energy that they would die without. At its core (foundation), magic is information, so much so that giving magic to someone is giving knowledge to them. Magic is something decoded and analyzed, and unleashing magic is no different from releasing knowledge. Magic is the power that sustains a magus’s reality, and without it, the magus will disappear.

 

[Robo432343]

agree

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Thinking about it; it is also best to propose Magus Physiology page creation, as we don’t currently have access to all side stories, therefore not access to everything a magus can do. It would be a pain to edit every page if we get another one later.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Mostly fine, only thing that seems objectionable to me is Transduality for 1 because the evidence doesn't seem that clear to me, and 2 because I don't care for these sorts of abilities, so overall neutral on that really.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Mostly fine, only thing that seems objectionable to me is Transduality for 1 because the evidence doesn't seem that clear to me, and 2 because I don't care for these sorts of abilities, so overall neutral on that really.

Thanks, I improved the scan here. What about now?

Transduality (Type 1) & Beyond-Dimensional Existence (Type 3; Maguses at the Legendary level have an existence at the level of beings (Gods), who exist in a categorically different dimensional hierarchy from anything lesser than themselves. From the perspective of the gods who exist outside the dream, within which the entirety of lower reality, including all worlds, is merely the dream of the Nameless God, all worlds, including those that are destroyed and thus no longer exist, are nothing but void worlds, as they are worlds where everything is nothingness, and the existential level of a legendary level magus is comparable to that of gods who transcend both existence and nonexistence within lower reality since it is all fiction to them.)

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

possibly Invulnerability (Magus aren’t bound by the physical laws of the human world, to the point that even they themselves are unable to use man-made weapons and such.)

Disagree

The Life, Memory, and Info Manipulation link isn't working.

Have Type 1 Concepts been accepted on some other CRT? If so, that's fine.

Disagree with Transudality, but BDE should be fine since the 1-A stuff is accepted.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

The Life, Memory, and Info Manipulation link isn't working.

Now they should work.

Have Type 1 Concepts been accepted on some other CRT? If so, that's fine.

There are two types of universal concepts in the verse.
The first type governs everything across all worlds; these were already accepted because they were used to argue for 1A.

The second type consists of concepts (laws) that govern everything within a specific world. The physical destruction of that world does not mean their destruction, so they continue to exist unless they are directly targeted.

Disagree with Transudality.

They transcend an entire level of reality that includes logical negations such as existence and nonexistence, by being of a Higher/different categorical level than that reality. I don’t see how that isn’t transduality on some level.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Now they should work.

Seems fine.

There are two types of universal concepts in the verse.
The first type governs everything across all worlds; these were already accepted because they were used to argue for 1A.

The second type consists of concepts (laws) that govern everything within a specific world. The physical destruction of that world does not mean their destruction, so they continue to exist unless they are directly targeted.

I meant if they were accepted as Type 1 Concepts already.

They transcend an entire level of reality that includes logical negations such as existence and nonexistence, by being of a Higher/different categorical level than that reality. I don’t see how that isn’t transduality on some level.

If that was enough to get Transduality, then any 1-A being would have it, for viewing lower realities as fiction. You need the character to have a statement of actually being nondual in some way, or directly transcending a system of duality, not just a reality that has logical negations.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

I meant if they were accepted as Type 1 Concepts already.

Only one of them was already accepted; the one I am going to send below is the one that isn’t yet accepted as a type 1 concept.

concepts which are themselves laws. The collapse of the world governed by these concepts does not mean the concepts themselves are destroyed, unless they are directly targeted and concepts are also interchangeable with essence in the verse.

If that was enough to get Transduality, then any 1-A being would have it, for viewing lower realities as fiction. You need the character to have a statement of actually being nondual in some way, or directly transcending a system of duality, not just a reality that has logical negations.

Okay. I'm satisfied with that answer.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Only one of them was already accepted; the one I am going to send below is the one that isn’t yet accepted as a type 1 concept.

concepts which are themselves laws. The collapse of the world governed by these concepts does not mean the concepts themselves are destroyed, unless they are directly targeted and concepts are also interchangeable with essence in the verse.

The first statement does seem to imply the world, and concepts are separate.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

The first statement does seem to imply the world, and concepts are separate.

Then do you agree.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

The first statement does seem to imply the world, and concepts are separate.

Another supporting example of that is Rubine, whose true form is the concept of darkness itself, and her body and the darkness in the physical world are one and the same. And then you have a character who can swallow an entire world, including everything in it, which includes darkness, but not the concept of darkness, as when he swallowed darkness, it didn’t affect the concept of darkness itself in any way, since concepts are separate from the material world.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Then do you agree.

Seems fine then.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Same thoughts as ActuallySpaceMan I also am kind of among the people who often stress about Invulnerability having very specific criteria to justify.

 

[FinePoint]

Ditto on the invulnerability, and Transduality has changed and I don't see it on the sandbox anymore, so.

Rare case where Supergenius actually seems justified.

The rest seems uncontroversial to me, but I'm not knowledgeable at all in the verse (plus there's just a lot) so if any supporters spot something wrong or missing context please let me know and I can evaluate your argument.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Ditto on the invulnerability, and Transduality has changed and I don't see it on the sandbox anymore, so.

Rare case where Supergenius actually seems justified.

The rest seems uncontroversial to me, but I'm not knowledgeable at all in the verse so if any supporters spot something wrong or missing context please let me know and I can evaluate your argument.

Thanks, But I already applied the changes, so I would also appreciate it if you closed this thread.

 

[FinePoint]

Thanks, But I already applied the changes, so I would also appreciate it if you closed this thread.

Lol, no problem. Will do.