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The return of Transduality for True Kingdom Hearts

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Self explanatory, unfortunately the transduality page was cooked and replaced with “Nonduality” a while back during the time of the previous CRT. Although unfortunate I suppose we gotta do it again.

I feel as though the last CRT I made did a very poor job at properly explaining the absurd properties of the KH verse. So this will try and be better:

Nonduality is a more philosophical state of being in which a character transcends a dual system of usually conceptual nature. Which tends to add certain resistances or immunities to these forces that can be applied to battle.

The dual system in question here is Kingdom Heart’s (Verse) duality of Light and Darkness. 2 parallel forces that comprise every aspect of the verse down to even the conceptual levels (the Hearts of everything in existence, all living things, non-living things, phenomena, to even the worlds themselves).

–What is the definition of a heart in Kingdom Hearts?

Nomura: It is the theme of the series. To explain it simply, a person has a body, a soul, and a heart. As an image, the soul is the life source, without it a person would be dead. Since the heart doesn’t have a form, memories play an important part in forming a heart. Also, the heart isn’t limited to people, but to all things.

These forces run opposite and reverse to each other, being completely inseparable as they cannot exist without one or the other.

Perhaps it was a Realm of "Nothing," devoid of even darkness. A realm without light or dark. Darkness cannot exist without light, nor light without darkness. That's what that place was like.

The transdual entity would be Kingdom Hearts itself. Which is the source of light and an almighty being comprised of every heart in existence capable of eradicating said duality on a cosmological scale and reducing the world to where it began as a void of nothingness and remaking it in the image of its user. It should be noted that to even reach the level of being able to summon such an entity requires a higher dimensional clash between light and darkness in the first place. Which gives one access to the X-blade, the sole medium for using, controlling, or containing its power. It’s this reason why I believe Kingdom Hearts (Entity) should possess Nonduality Type 1 due to being beyond a higher dimensional union of said duality while being capable of erasing and creating them.

Edit: Considering the lack of overall evidence for Qualitative superiority it would be better to instead argue for Nonduality type one instead for now.

Agree: 4(@Vietthai96, @TheGreatJedi13, @Antvasima @BreezeHM )

Disagree: 0
 
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just passing by, but i have some problem on this
this isn't mean parallel force, it is just two parallel dimensions, with one is Light, other is Darkness, i think you need more evidences surrounding this, although i can understand why you have this conclusion
1. the guy said: there must be Light and Darkness, it said nothing about Light and Darkness comprise every aspect in the verse, while i have some limited knowledge of KH so i can understand this part, other peoples who do not know a thing could questioning this, so i think you need contexts to back up to make your case stronger
2. IIrc, isn't KH is Japanese verse?, better using Japanese sub than English Dub

Anyway, i'm fine with this being Nondual, but i don't think this is Transdual, you need qualitative superiority evidences to get transdual, which obviously land you at 1-A, so.............
 
just passing by, but i have some problem on this

this isn't mean parallel force, it is just two parallel dimensions, with one is Light, other is Darkness, i think you need more evidences surrounding this, although i can understand why you have this conclusion
There was this scan in the CRT that also signifies the duality between them. They cannot exist without each other, and any space in which the duality isn’t present is classified as something that doesn’t exist.

1. the guy said: there must be Light and Darkness, it said nothing about Light and Darkness comprise every aspect in the verse, while i have some limited knowledge of KH so i can understand this part, other peoples who do not know a thing could questioning this, so i think you need contexts to back up to make your case stronger
The argument was that Mickey stated in the same scene that you couldn’t have Light Without Darkness because they both are half of “everything.” Which is further elaborated when Ansem stated all hearts are fundamentally born from Light and Darkness. Hearts themselves being the concepts that define the verse which has long been accepted.

2. IIrc, isn't KH is Japanese verse?, better using Japanese sub than English Dub
Probably. But they usually say the same things as English.

Anyway, i'm fine with this being Nondual, but i don't think this is Transdual, you need qualitative superiority evidences to get transdual, which obviously land you at 1-A, so.............
Type 1 transduality isn’t instantly 1-A from what I know, only Type 2. Regardless seeing as how no evidence of Qualitative superiority has been proven Nonduality type for True KH is fine for now.
 
There was this scan in the CRT that also signifies the duality between them. They cannot exist without each other, and any space in which the duality isn’t present is classified as something that doesn’t exist.
lol, not gonna read that long ass paragraph, can you point me to the specific part?
The argument was that Mickey stated in the same scene that you couldn’t have Light Without Darkness because they both are half of “everything.” Which is further elaborated when Ansem stated all hearts are fundamentally born from Light and Darkness. Hearts themselves being the concepts that define the verse which has long been accepted.
i like have said, i understand since i did have some debates with @Bobsican regarding this verse in the past (CRTS, Vs match) so i have some necessary knowledges to understand your argument, but i can't guarantee others, that why i said you need to add contexts, and also backed with scans for other to understand your point of view
Probably. But they usually say the same things as English.
better than using English Dub though, to me at least
Type 1 transduality isn’t instantly 1-A from what I know, only Type 2. Regardless seeing as how no evidence of Qualitative superiority has been proven Nonduality type for True KH is fine for now.
like i said, i'm fine with nondual, just isn't enough evidence for transdual, also depend on what kind of duality, transdual type 1 can still land you in 1-A, such as duality regarding space, time, direction, dimensions, but well this isn't related to thread so.

Tbf, duality require you to show logical negation such as logical negation of A is non-A, which in this case you need to show Light is logical negation of Darkness and vice versa. But personally i do not like thing that is too strict for the sake of being strict, so i'm fine with these evidences, though i can't guarantee about how others think about this
 
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Nondual is fine.

as long as the True Kingdom Hearts stands above both light and darkness
and is the source for both rather than comprised of one of side
 
This seems to make sense to apply. 🙏
 
lol, not gonna read that long ass paragraph, can you point me to the specific part?
Just noticed now this was ignored, sorry! Here's the part in question from that stuff:

It was dark.

There was nothing but darkness.

No, not even darkness... it was just nothing.

If the place Aqua fell was the Realm of Darkness, then where had I been? Had I even existed? Surely I… well, I probably had. I just have no idea where. I did exist as the being behind Xehanort, but my sense of self—my heart—was sealed away. My heart was somewhere in this realm.

Perhaps it was a Realm of "Nothing," devoid of even darkness. A realm without light or dark. Darkness cannot exist without light, nor light without darkness. That's what that place was like.

I wasn't asleep like Ven. It wasn't the Realm of Sleep—or a dream—it was a realm that existed in “nothing.” And so, pain, sadness, and hatred all became an onslaught to oblivion. I was writhing in pain in the middle of it. Perhaps that place is something like the realm of the Unversed. A void that swallows all, even sadness and pain. A realm where hope and joy never existed to begin with.

But despite their similarities, a void is not darkness. Nothing is born from it. And so in that world, I could do nothing but endure. I could no longer remember my actions, which had manifested in a lingering will. Well, maybe that proves that I wasn’t just waiting. I was believing, holding on to a promise.
Basically the first few paragraphs really, directly explaining the difference between light, darkness and nothingness.

i like have said, i understand since i did have some debates with @Bobsican regarding this verse in the past (CRTS, Vs match) so i have some necessary knowledges to understand your argument, but i can't guarantee others, that why i said you need to add contexts, and also backed with scans for other to understand your point of view
I recall the OP has been updated since then, feel free to ask if anything was missed or if you think something could use more elaboration.

like i said, i'm fine with nondual, just isn't enough evidence for transdual, also depend on what kind of duality, transdual type 1 can still land you in 1-A, such as duality regarding space, time, direction, dimensions, but well this isn't related to thread so.
What kind of evidence is currently lacking for transduality?
 
What kind of evidence is currently lacking for transduality?
Qualitative superiority, which is by all mean, like arguing and proving 1-A. There is a reason why most 1-A automatically have transduality, cause they already have qualitative superiority
I recall the OP has been updated since then, feel free to ask if anything was missed or if you think something could use more elaboration
Hmm, i think these is enough, though idk the verse so i can't speak much this case, you could try to find more evidences of light and darkness oppose each others and add them in case you find these current evidences is not enough.
The transdual entity would be Kingdom Hearts itself. Which is the source of light and an almighty being comprised of every heart in existence capable of eradicating said duality on a cosmological scale and reducing the world to where it began as a void of nothingness
Probably this is the part i disagree with, nonduality require character isn't a part of duality, this source of light comprise of every heart mean it still have duality, since Heart is duality because of both light and darkness, nondual would mean character is both light and darkness simultaneously or neither of the two, so iirc, guy like Nobodies would be nonduality due to lack Heart
 
Qualitative superiority, which is by all mean, like arguing and proving 1-A. There is a reason why most 1-A automatically have transduality, cause they already have qualitative superiority
Makes sense.

Probably this is the part i disagree with, nonduality require character isn't a part of duality, this source of light comprise of every heart mean it still have duality, since Heart is duality because of both light and darkness, nondual would mean character is both light and darkness simultaneously or neither of the two, so iirc, guy like Nobodies would be nonduality due to lack Heart
Nonduality also proposes the idea that a being could be both and neither of said duality at the same time. Which perfectly fits here. Also just because it’s also composed of every heart couldn’t automatically make it apart of the same duality, if it was then it’d be significantly effected by the destruction of either Light or darkness, which are inseparable. If anything it being composed of every heart further solidifies its connection to both Light and Darkness and not just Light while simultaneously not being effected by either.
 
What you all have agreed about here can probably be applied, yes, as this seems to be a minor revision. 🙏
 
Nonduality also proposes the idea that a being could be both and neither of said duality at the same time. Which perfectly fits here. Also just because it’s also composed of every heart couldn’t automatically make it apart of the same duality, if it was then it’d be significantly effected by the destruction of either Light or darkness, which are inseparable. If anything it being composed of every heart further solidifies its connection to both Light and Darkness and not just Light while simultaneously not being effected by either.
No, not really, if you are compose of every hearts mean you are the duality, being both of you need to be both 0 and 1 at the same time, not having both 1 and 0 only, being neither mean either you are between 0 and 1 or outside 0 and 1, and this case 0 and 1 is Light and Darkness, so all and all, i disagree with this part
 
I suppose that an agreement needs to be reached with Vietthai first then. 🙏
 
I suppose that an agreement needs to be reached with Vietthai first then. 🙏
i mean, i agree with Nonduality Type 1 in general, i only disagree with one specific character getting it, so generally speaking, if you greenlight this then supporters can applies Nonduality Type 1
 
Okay. That seems fine then. Thank you for the information. 🙏
 
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