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[Naruto] Juubito Update

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NeoKingOfLight said:
So this “should” be very straightforward…

Proposal: Obito with full Mastery of the Ten-Tails should be listed as, “At Least Large Country Level [400Tt], Likely Higher.”

Reasoning: Right now, Juubi’s Charged TBB is scaling to 100Tt because it is unquantifiably higher than its previous TBB in its weaker form (98.35Tt). Juubito currently is scaling to 200Tt for being unquantifiably higher than Edo SM Hashirama, whom is 190+Tt (Forgot the exact figure) — Sword of Nunoboku is a separate thing. I was surprised because Obito’s profile “does” reference the once feat (Which I am using here) that actually can be used to scale him “better” but its not being used to scale him.

Feat: Obito casually creates 4 Charged TBB and creates a barrier that tanks the combined explosion. [Ref: Chapter 643]

Even if we lowballed it to just 4x the Previous TBB (98.35Tt), Mastered Ten-Tails Obito would still be “At Least Large Country Level [393.4Tt], Likely Higher”, but tbh, if we did that, we might as well not even round Juubi up to 100Tt. As far as the 200Tt rating goes, if this is accepted, that can just be replaced by this.

Agree: MinatoSparkle (ST), XSOULOFCINDERX (ST), Ghostimuscrime (ST)

Neutral: Godernet

Disagree: Testarossa002, Damage3245, Karo_Senpaii
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Disagree
 
Damage3245 said:
Well - he didn't think it would die - he thought it would just get hurt off of the Biju Bomb which is why he had Ten-Tails wrap itself up in its own tails.
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Because they had distance and a rock was around them and juubi's hands were protection-like arms. And the barrier's TBB explosion is far more powerful than the distant juubi bomb because it accumulates all of the explosion at one place

Also if the hurting was a normal hurting, obito wouldn't say that. So that was a big hurt which obito was so worry about. But Ten Tails Tanked an accumulated one
 
This was a VSBW translator's opinion on the raws

"Something like that won't be able to withstand the combined* explosion of 4 Ten-Tails Bijuudamas.

*共鳴 is like resonance (the physics one, with waves and interference and stuff) and 爆破 is just explosion/blast
共鳴爆破 being "resonant explosion" sounds kinda silly so i can only imagine it's referring to their combined power."

I think this gives significantly more credence to the idea that it's 400 TT
 
MinatoSparkle said:
This was a VSBW translator's opinion on the raws

"Something like that won't be able to withstand the combined* explosion of 4 Ten-Tails Bijuudamas.

*共鳴 is like resonance (the physics one, with waves and interference and stuff) and 爆破 is just explosion/blast
共鳴爆破 being "resonant explosion" sounds kinda silly so i can only imagine it's referring to their combined power."

I think this gives significantly more credence to the idea that it's 400 TT
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@Damage3245
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
Would the resulting explosion then not be considered the sum of Kurama’s TBB and the Combined TBB?
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I mean yeah, the two clashing Bijuu Bombs combined into one giant explosion

In Obito's example, they were fired in four opposing directions, but from outside of the barrier appear as one massive explosion due to the small area they all detonated in.

they did go off simultaneously and the blast radius of Juubi Bombs is way massively bigger than the barrier, so I'm honestly not sure if it will be looked at as one combined yield or four very compressed explosions.

at the very least, I don't think taking a portion of an explosion would scale you to its full yield, which is why the TSO Shield probably shouldn't scale.
 
Godernet said:
I mean yeah, the two clashing Bijuu Bombs combined into one giant explosion

In Obito's example, they were fired in four opposing directions, but from outside of the barrier appear as one massive explosion due to the small area they all detonated in.

they did go off simultaneously and the blast radius of Juubi Bombs is way massively bigger than the barrier, so I'm honestly not sure if it will be looked at as one combined yield or four very compressed explosions.

at the very least, I don't think taking a portion of an explosion would scale you to its full yield, which is why the TSO Shield probably shouldn't scale.
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dont we have written statements confirming its outright combined as opposed to 4 bombs simultaneously detonating
 
Godernet said:
I mean yeah, the two clashing Bijuu Bombs combined into one giant explosion

In Obito's example, they were fired in four opposing directions, but from outside of the barrier appear as one massive explosion due to the small area they all detonated in.

they did go off simultaneously and the blast radius of Juubi Bombs is way massively bigger than the barrier, so I'm honestly not sure if it will be looked at as one combined yield or four very compressed explosions.

at the very least, I don't think taking a portion of an explosion would scale you to its full yield, which is why the TSO Shield probably shouldn't scale.
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Did you see the translation I sent
 
a 400 TT Barrier and Explosion via this 4 Juubi Bomb Manuver of his is probably fine then

I don't think I agree with 400 TSO or physicals tho, like I said before, taking a part of the overall explosion doesn't scale you to its full value, and in a non UES verse like Nard I don't see a reason the barrier would scale to his physicals currently.
 
AP: Large Country level (Normal Justification (196.7 TT)), higher when in control (In control justification (200 TT)), even higher with Contained Multi-Bijuu Bomb (After using his Six Crimson Ray Formation to trap his opponent, Obito can will the Juubi to launch four Bijuu Bombs combining their power into a single contained explosion(400 TT))

Dura: Large Country level (Normal Justification (196.7 TT)), higher when in control (In control Justification (200 TT)), even higher with Six Crimson Ray Formation (Obito was able to use this barrier to withstand the compressed explosion of four Bijuu Bombs from the Juubi(400 TT))

that's at least how I'd do it, assuming staff agrees with the interp
 
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Attack Potency: Large Country level (yada yada), higher after gaining control (He became more powerful than before due to finally gaining full control over the Ten Tails' power, whereas previously he was unable to fully handle that power. He can easily block attacks from Kurama Sage Mode Naruto and Sasuke's Senjutsu Susano'o at the same time. Easily overpowered KSM Naruto and Sasuke, sent them crashing down, and knocked them out of their chakra avatars. Even while being almost completely broken mentally and having the Bijū nearly extracted, he was still capable of briefly holding off the Majestic Attire Susano'o along with the entire Shinobi Alliance and only lost after completely losing his will to fight), even higher with Quad Jūbidamas (Created an explosion consisting of the combined power of 4 Jūbidamas), possibly Multi-Continent level with the Sword of Nunoboko (Stated that he would use the sword to obliterate the world, just as Hagoromo used it to create the world)

Durability: Large Country level (Comparable to his striking strength), higher after gaining control (More durable than before. His TSB shield was able to withstand 4 charged Jūbidamas exploding together without taking any damage, but it only took a small portion of the blast. TSB users have generally been shown to be more durable than their TSB shields, which should apply to Obito as well), even higher with Six Crimson Rays Formation (Surpasses the Four Crimson Rays Formation, and withstood the explosion of 4 combined Jūbidamas)
 
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Ghostimuscrime said:
I mean the difference between H6B+ and 400 TT is just 1.075x
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Yeah but the justification we’re using doesn’t give us a reason to upscale

If we’re saying it’s 4x increase it’s a 4x increase, not a 4x increase + a little bonus just cause, let’s not make wiggle room when it doesn’t match the arguments we’re using.

If there was a reason it would be beyond a 4x increase sure but there really isn’t one here.
 
Godernet said:
Yeah but the justification we’re using doesn’t give us a reason to upscale

If we’re saying it’s 4x increase it’s a 4x increase, not a 4x increase + a little bonus just cause, let’s not make wiggle room when it doesn’t match the arguments we’re using.

If there was a reason it would be beyond a 4x increase sure but there really isn’t one here.
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Quad Juubidama = 4x 3rd form charged Juubidama>3rd form regular Juubidama which is 100 TT
 
MinatoSparkle said:
Quad Juubidama = 4x 3rd form charged Juubidama>3rd form regular Juubidama which is 100 TT
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That’s still slapping an arbitrary number on an unquantifiable amp just for an upscale.

also the third form Juubidama already upscales to baseline H6B from the 2nd form Juubidamas

4 of those makes 400 TT via the 4x argument.

there's no point in making it slightly stronger than the argument we're using just for an upscale
 
Godernet said:
That’s still slapping an arbitrary number on an unquantifiable amp just for an upscale.
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That's...kind of just how upscaling works? And this is well within upscaling limits, as it's less than a 10% difference
Godernet said:
also the third form Juubidama already upscales to baseline H6B from the 2nd form Juubidamas
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Yeah, the uncharged Juubidama. This is what's 98 TT
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Compared to the attacks Juubito was using
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I want to see the thoughts from other staff members on whether or not this falls under our Multiplier standards - I'll wait for more evaluations for now.
 
Damage3245 said:
I'm surprised I hadn't commented on this before, but I agree with Testarossa002. His argument falls more in line with our page on Multiplier standards.
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I also find myself more in line with this with regard to the sum of the Jūbidamas
 
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