Powers & Abilities Evaluations Thread

[Digital_Franz]

What if there was a place that existed before that nothingness, where nothing existed, and everything was possible?

This place will have nothing.

• To precede this nothingness means nothing.
• To have NEP one must be non-existent or precede the concept of existence.
• A little reminder probably not necessary but the fact that nothing existed there does not mean that it is non-existent.

 

[Tahoy49574]

Are these Information Analysis ?

 

[Digital_Franz]

Are these Information Analysis ?

Probably yeah with the "area analysis" stuff.

 

[Rikimarox2]

If a character could compress space to a single point, with no further elaboration aside from repetition of doing it, would that just be Spatial Manipulation?

Edit: Additionally, although I'm not sure if this is the right place but this is about passive stuff. If, In-verse, a character has to contain their aura intentionally as otherwise it would injure their loved ones, but otherwise keeps it unconcealed in fights and stuff, would we assume it is active at the start of a VSbattle (ie should I list it as passive or active or smth else on the profile)?

 

[Deonment]

If a character could compress space to a single point, with no further elaboration aside from repetition of doing it, would that just be Spatial Manipulation?

Edit: Additionally, although I'm not sure if this is the right place but this is about passive stuff. If, In-verse, a character has to contain their aura intentionally as otherwise it would injure their loved ones, but otherwise keeps it unconcealed in fights and stuff, would we assume it is active at the start of a VSbattle (ie should I list it as passive or active or smth else on the profile)?

Yes

Yeah it would be passive considering how they have to choose to hold it back in the first place rather than them having to choose to unleash it

 

[sukuna171]

The rules changed―a little. The pattern altered―but a micron. I got used to it, as they say. People can get used to anything, and the same holds true for concepts that have existed before and after time itself, though it may take an eon or twenty.

So, here I am, among the stars. They burn so brightly, but given a billion or ten billion years, they chill: their mass reduces to nothing but throbbing embers, at last gasping into stillness and ash. Even the loudest of celestial roars cannot outpace infinity.
would this be concept type 1

 

[Digital_Franz]

The rules changed―a little. The pattern altered―but a micron. I got used to it, as they say. People can get used to anything, and the same holds true for concepts that have existed before and after time itself, though it may take an eon or twenty.

So, here I am, among the stars. They burn so brightly, but given a billion or ten billion years, they chill: their mass reduces to nothing but throbbing embers, at last gasping into stillness and ash. Even the loudest of celestial roars cannot outpace infinity.
would this be concept type 1

These Concepts that existed before and after time are Type 1 Concepts yeah.

 

[sukuna171]

Think about logic. Here, we define logic as “the governing principle by which a power defines its own existence. What is the governing logic of Truth to Power?
does this grant anything

 

[Digital_Franz]

Think about logic. Here, we define logic as “the governing principle by which a power defines its own existence. What is the governing logic of Truth to Power?
does this grant anything

Nah I don't think.

 

[Rikimarox2]

They all need to condense energy in their body to prepare to reach the Fourth Stage.

Afterward, Shen Ying used Exchange Points to ask for the blood of Void Shattering Realm cultivators to create the Seventh Stage. Unfortunately, he has been stuck in this stage for a few hundred years with little progress.

Void Shattering Realms and above cultivators are considered pseudo Conceptual Beings, so analyzing their genetic structures is not easy.

Would this grant anything? This was mentioned a few time, ie that they were pseudo Conceptual Beings. Or would there need to be more context to get a conclusion?

 

[Sonoftanavast9]

Would this grant anything? This was mentioned a few time, ie that they were pseudo Conceptual Beings. Or would there need to be more context to get a conclusion?

Probably more context is needed though maybe limited resistance to information analysis is available based solely off what was in the scan (because analyzing their genetic structure is difficult)

 

[Lycoris4812]

What kind of hax is this?

Spoiler

Examining carefully, Shi Yan found the muscles on his right arm had contracted, so much so that they were much thinner than before. The dim grey fog curled up his arm ceaselessly, conveying those negative moods. Merely by looking at it, one would be easily affected by its power, feeling extremely terrified.

The warrior who had been on alert suddenly paled, and screamed loudly for help. Landing on top of his head, Shi Yan started his strike like a sharp sword as his Profound Qi formed into a thick smog around his arm. Ahead of him, Shi Yan cast his Profound Qi out like a net, which tightly wrapped up the warrior's head in an instant.
In that moment, an intense wave of negative feelings, blended with endless resentment and desperation, suddenly rushed into his nose and mouth. The Mo family warrior felt like he was standing in the middle of a bloody ocean with thousands of evil spirits flying towards him, grabbing him with full force and tearing him apart. He couldn't move even if he tried to.

The white smoke snake was cut into half instantly. However, it didn't stop. The two parts of snake rose up and started to wrap around both of his arms. At that moment, two waves of evil spirits rushed into Zheng Tie's head. His body froze, both eyes filled with bloody scenes and creepy skeletons. He felt like he was suddenly deprived of all his power.

The next moment, a terrifying storm of horrifying negative desires, filled with craziness and desperation, struck Master Karu's [Dark Light Shield]. The [Dark Light Shield], that was more than capable of defending from a full strength strike from an Elementary Realm Warrior, shattered into pieces within seconds. The evil spirits entangled around Shi Yan's right fist smashed right through Master Karu's body, storming through into his body like a wild wave.Under the influence of that overwhelming killing power, Master Karu's mind, as well as his body, was completely frozen. He had absolutely no time to react or prepare his defense.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

What kind of hax is this?

Fear, Madness and Empathic hax and Duplication

 

[Rikimarox2]

What would the ability of being "free" of something grant? As in, they can be free of gravity, weight, wind, physical force, etc... ignoring it altogether.

Spoiler: scans

Wang Wei then used the Yu Clan's Light Scripture to rush toward his enemy; he turned into a golden light to rush towards Zhen Chao while also placing a powerful Gravity enough to collapse several universes.

As for Zhen Chao, he calmly used several other techniques:

[Gravity Freedom]

[Wind Freedom]

[Friction Freedom]

[Weight Freedom]

 

[Vietthai96]

What would the ability of being "free" of something grant? As in, they can be free of gravity, weight, wind, physical force, etc... ignoring it altogether.

Physics Manipulation

 

[Rikimarox2]

Physics Manipulation

Even if in-verse, physics laws are pretty much ignored all the time and isn't significant? Ie it's negated. Also what if they can also be free from soul damage and stuff?

 

[Vietthai96]

Even if in-verse, physics laws are pretty much ignored all the time and isn't significant

Isn't most of these crazy fictional verses ignore physics??

Also what if they can also be free from soul damage and stuff?

Soul Damage Negation
Anyway seriously idk where to put this kind of ability into, probably Unconventional Limited Resistance to Soul Manipulation (put justification here)

 

[Rikimarox2]

Isn't most of these crazy fictional verses ignore physics??

I know, but like, this verse directly states that they do not obey the laws of physics and stuff.

Soul Damage Negation
Anyway seriously idk where to put this kind of ability into, probably Unconventional Limited Resistance to Soul Manipulation (put justification here)

They can do it to seemingly anything they want, am I just supposed to put limited resistance to everything
I might just put it as Enhanced Selective Intangibility/Invulnerability, tbh, but I'm not sure.

 

[Vietthai96]

I know, but like, this verse directly states that they do not obey the laws of physics and stuff.

resistance to physics manipulation then

I might just put it as Enhanced Selective Intangibility/Invulnerability, tbh, but I'm not sure.

probably, though not that Intangibility

 

[Rikimarox2]

Would this be enough to grant some sort of AE for Souls or anything aside from unconventional resistance?

Spoiler: Scans

The soul contains information about the body, even when it is destroyed;

As he absorbed more energy from the pool, Wang Wei could feel his skin rapidly temper the level before he blew his body. His soul contained an aura that contained information regarding his previous fleshly body and accelerated the process of returning to its peak. - Ch. 499

Souls were on a conceptual level (The whole "if such a thing exists" is because the MC was in a trial without his memories);

On a physical level, he was different. On a conceptual level, he had a different "soul" if such a thing existed. But on an existential level, he had the same memories, ideologies, likes, dislikes, fears, aspirations, and everything that made him Wang Wei. - Ch. 648

Souls were stated to be the origin of the mind, consciousness, and how one perceives reality;

The soul is the origin - the root of the mind, spirit, consciousness, and how we perceive reality.

Was mentioned to be both a existent and non-existent thing, and were stated to be a non-real or ethereal concept, albeit it could be a metaphor for pre-cultivation, but unsure;

Before cultivating, the soul is both a real and non-existent thing; it exists in a spiritual plane where reality and fantasy meet. However, these two swordsmen–using only their skills and no cultivation–can touch this place of existence and non-existence with their swords. - Ch. 727

Afterward is the Soul Sword or Mind Sword. In this realm, the swordsmen's attacks are no longer limited to physical aspects and can touch ethereal or nonreal concepts like the soul. - Ch. 728

The soul also consists of multiple parts, and it governs health, instincts, body temperature, etc... and it has parts that control intelligence, wisdom, creativity, etc... as well as the source of life-force, and emotions, some Karma/Causality stuff such as love stuff.

 

[sukuna171]

does this grant anything

Spoiler: spoiler

already you are grown, my daughter, already you are a wizard. Have I been away so long? Now you are Ir Anûk, and Savathûn cackles and rages at your brilliance. You have written eleven axioms describing the ascendant realm, our throne world. You have announced that you will kill one of these axioms, as Akka would kill the truth, and in mantling Akka you will become a God, as I am.

Spoiler: spoiler

ehind The Unraveler comes Ir Anûk,
The Weaver.
She takes in hand the threads of her sister's work,
weaves them into the tapestry of Oryx's realm.

Listen, Anûk
Anûk, who favors bitter things

Of the eleven axioms, choose one
Of the chosen, spare none
Upon Eir’s attendance, say
Come, Eir, look
This truth is dead

Spoiler: spoiler

Oryx is the wielder and the servant of a terrible truth. He has predicated Himself on it, He has pursued across thousands of cairn worlds His quest to embody it, and you have seen the force of that truth expended to create these Taken.

He is not a simple thing to kill. He wants to be isomorphic to conquest, to triumph, to killing and death. He is a syllogism, now, but in time He hopes to become an axiom.

Spoiler: spoiler

Submit yourself, shapes and gliders, automata all —
I am Oryx, Lord of Shapes, Carver of Tablets

Behold my performance of the Last True Shape
The final axiom
Witness the space that I define

I approach the asymptote.
I grow vast across topologies.
I am not simply connected

 

[Lycoris4812]

What kind of hax is this? Subjective Reality?

This was something unique that only LEGENDS were capable of doing, something that was termed...REIFICATION. REIFICATION! The act of making something abstract more real and concrete! A type of power that only those that had formed a Reality could utilize where the casting of their skills caused a manifestation and a personification of their abilities to form! Their cast abilities underwent a change as if an existence in the Firmaments of Ascendancy had cast <Nymph's Entrapment>, it would have shot out verdant green chains like thick branches of light towards their enemies. But the casting of this ability from a LEGEND caused a manifestation to occur as if the skill itself gained sentience...the cast ability undergoing REIFICATION from the unique resonance of Origin, Body, and Soul that had all undergone a fundamental change when one entered the stage of Reality.

 

[sukuna171]

What kind of hax is this? Subjective

If you don't mind me asking what is this from

 

[Lycoris4812]

If you don't mind me asking what is this from

Infinite Mana In The Apocalypse.

 

[Deonment]

What would the ability of being "free" of something grant? As in, they can be free of gravity, weight, wind, physical force, etc... ignoring it altogether.

Would say power null

Would this be enough to grant some sort of AE for Souls or anything aside from unconventional resistance?

Spoiler: Scans

The soul contains information about the body, even when it is destroyed;

Souls were on a conceptual level (The whole "if such a thing exists" is because the MC was in a trial without his memories);

Souls were stated to be the origin of the mind, consciousness, and how one perceives reality;

Was mentioned to be both a existent and non-existent thing, and were stated to be a non-real or ethereal concept, albeit it could be a metaphor for pre-cultivation, but unsure;


The soul also consists of multiple parts, and it governs health, instincts, body temperature, etc... and it has parts that control intelligence, wisdom, creativity, etc... as well as the source of life-force, and emotions, some Karma/Causality stuff such as love stuff.

Yeah, can see the soul being abstract, I can see and argument for it being conceptual (though mentions of concepts in these specific scans seem to refer to concepts as ideas than universals), but the existent/nonexistent stuff is likely just a metaphor yeah

 

[Rikimarox2]

Would say power null

It's a bit weird to classify it as powernull since he isn't directly nullifying it or anything like that, just ignoring it, not to mention it ignores physical attacks as well. Not sure if that's pnull, or invul. I might just index it as possibly for both.

Yeah, can see the soul being abstract, I can see and argument for it being conceptual (though mentions of concepts in these specific scans seem to refer to concepts as ideas than universals), but the existent/nonexistent stuff is likely just a metaphor yeah

So, type 3 Concept? Although later on they fuse ideas (not universal) with their souls, along with other stuff. Would it be enhanced type 3 or smth?

 

[Deonment]

It's a bit weird to classify it as powernull since he isn't directly nullifying it or anything like that, just ignoring it, not to mention it ignores physical attacks as well. Not sure if that's pnull, or invul. I might just index it as possibly for both.

I mean, I'm calling it power null because that straight up just reads as what it is, he is negating the effects of those things on him, thus, power null

So, type 3 Concept? Although later on they fuse ideas (not universal) with their souls, along with other stuff. Would it be enhanced type 3 or smth?

Ideas (as in the mental ones) aren't type 3 concepts, I'm decently sure we entirely yeeted mental concepts from the type considering its not actual concept manip as we define it, but for the latter, depends on how its done and the ideas in question

 

[sukuna171]

does this grant anything

Spoiler: spoiler

already you are grown, my daughter, already you are a wizard. Have I been away so long? Now you are Ir Anûk, and Savathûn cackles and rages at your brilliance. You have written eleven axioms describing the ascendant realm, our throne world. You have announced that you will kill one of these axioms, as Akka would kill the truth, and in mantling Akka you will become a God, as I am.

Spoiler: spoiler

ehind The Unraveler comes Ir Anûk,
The Weaver.
She takes in hand the threads of her sister's work,
weaves them into the tapestry of Oryx's realm.

Listen, Anûk
Anûk, who favors bitter things

Of the eleven axioms, choose one
Of the chosen, spare none
Upon Eir’s attendance, say
Come, Eir, look
This truth is dead

Spoiler: spoiler

Oryx is the wielder and the servant of a terrible truth. He has predicated Himself on it, He has pursued across thousands of cairn worlds His quest to embody it, and you have seen the force of that truth expended to create these Taken.

He is not a simple thing to kill. He wants to be isomorphic to conquest, to triumph, to killing and death. He is a syllogism, now, but in time He hopes to become an axiom.

Spoiler: spoiler

Submit yourself, shapes and gliders, automata all —
I am Oryx, Lord of Shapes, Carver of Tablets

Behold my performance of the Last True Shape
The final axiom
Witness the space that I define

I approach the asymptote.
I grow vast across topologies.
I am not simply connected

bump

 

[BlackDarkness679]

If some character is capable to negate someone else ability to give themselves armor status effect via a physical clash or strike, isnt this 101 negation? Also it isnt a case of AP overpowering because the gap didnt matter it still worked

 

[Rikimarox2]

Spoiler: Scan

There are many possibilities in this cultivation stage, and cultivators usually take their time in this realm.

In this stage, Wang Wei combined the different laws based on his incarnations to create Fate Law: Luck, Destiny, Space-Time, Samsara, Order-Disorder, and Karma.

Once that was done, he used Yin-Yang Laws as the link to fuse his Fate Law with the Freedom Law, creating a unique Fate Law that encompassed both fatalism and free will.

How would one index this? Basically, the MC's Fate Law/Concept is unique, in that it has contained and absorbed the Freedom Law, which is the antithesis of the conventional Fate Law, and as such, the MC's Fate Law encompassed both fate and freedom/free will.

 

[Digital_Franz]

does this grant anything

Spoiler: spoiler

already you are grown, my daughter, already you are a wizard. Have I been away so long? Now you are Ir Anûk, and Savathûn cackles and rages at your brilliance. You have written eleven axioms describing the ascendant realm, our throne world. You have announced that you will kill one of these axioms, as Akka would kill the truth, and in mantling Akka you will become a God, as I am.

Spoiler: spoiler

ehind The Unraveler comes Ir Anûk,
The Weaver.
She takes in hand the threads of her sister's work,
weaves them into the tapestry of Oryx's realm.

Listen, Anûk
Anûk, who favors bitter things

Of the eleven axioms, choose one
Of the chosen, spare none
Upon Eir’s attendance, say
Come, Eir, look
This truth is dead

Spoiler: spoiler

Oryx is the wielder and the servant of a terrible truth. He has predicated Himself on it, He has pursued across thousands of cairn worlds His quest to embody it, and you have seen the force of that truth expended to create these Taken.

He is not a simple thing to kill. He wants to be isomorphic to conquest, to triumph, to killing and death. He is a syllogism, now, but in time He hopes to become an axiom.

Spoiler: spoiler

Submit yourself, shapes and gliders, automata all —
I am Oryx, Lord of Shapes, Carver of Tablets

Behold my performance of the Last True Shape
The final axiom
Witness the space that I define

I approach the asymptote.
I grow vast across topologies.
I am not simply connected

The Axioms seem to be concepts, probably Type 1 (At least Type 2) and Oryx seems to have Abstract Existence.

What kind of hax is this? Subjective Reality?

Reality Warping.

If some character is capable to negate someone else ability to give themselves armor status effect via a physical clash or strike, isnt this 101 negation? Also it isnt a case of AP overpowering because the gap didnt matter it still worked

I don't get the 101 negation but it just looks like Power Nullification.

Spoiler: Scan

There are many possibilities in this cultivation stage, and cultivators usually take their time in this realm.

In this stage, Wang Wei combined the different laws based on his incarnations to create Fate Law: Luck, Destiny, Space-Time, Samsara, Order-Disorder, and Karma.

Once that was done, he used Yin-Yang Laws as the link to fuse his Fate Law with the Freedom Law, creating a unique Fate Law that encompassed both fatalism and free will.

How would one index this? Basically, the MC's Fate Law/Concept is unique, in that it has contained and absorbed the Freedom Law, which is the antithesis of the conventional Fate Law, and as such, the MC's Fate Law encompassed both fate and freedom/free will.

Depends on what that free will is.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Depends on what that free will is.

Quite literally described as the Anti-thesis of Fate, with those who wield the Law being able to be "free" of stuff, like being free of physical damage, soul stuff, fire, distance, etc... Basically, being able to choose what one wants regardless of everything else.

"Of course, I have. Everything in the universe is balanced. And since there is a Yang, there must be a Yin. Since Fate exists, of course, its antithesis–Free Will–must also exist.

Fate controls pretty much everything in-verse, including matter, atoms, souls, time, causality, luck, etc... with Freedom alone being stated to be its anti-thesis.

 

[Digital_Franz]

Quite literally described as the Anti-thesis of Fate, with those who wield the Law being able to be "free" of stuff, like being free of physical damage, soul stuff, fire, distance, etc... Basically, being able to choose what one wants regardless of everything else.

Fate controls pretty much everything in-verse, including matter, atoms, souls, time, causality, luck, etc... with Freedom alone being stated to be its anti-thesis.

Looks like a decorative Nonduality (Type 1) then.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

I don't get the 101 negation but it just looks like Power Nullification.

It negates the thing in question

 

[Tahoy49574]

Would a drone opening up like this to be piloted count as Shapeshifting ? Or should it just be listed as a notable technique ?

 

[Vietthai96]

Quite literally described as the Anti-thesis of Fate, with those who wield the Law being able to be "free" of stuff, like being free of physical damage, soul stuff, fire, distance, etc... Basically, being able to choose what one wants regardless of everything else.

Fate controls pretty much everything in-verse, including matter, atoms, souls, time, causality, luck, etc... with Freedom alone being stated to be its anti-thesis.

Acausality Type 4, which grant resistance/immunity to Law, Causality, Matter, Soul, Time, Probability, Fate, etc....

 

[Rikimarox2]

Acausality Type 4, which grant resistance/immunity to Law, Causality, Matter, Soul, Time, Probability, Fate, etc....

Would it be Acausality? I mean, he controls the new Law, but for Acausality, doesn't one's existence need to be acausal rather than controlling the power? That said, the Fate Law is sort of inside his existence, and usually characters that use a Law are resistant against it, so maybe it is possible.

BTW, considering fate controls everything and can see everything from the past all the way to the future, would characters that have their future uncertain, ie their fate unknown, be acausal type 4 and grant these types of stuff, or just conventional fate manip?

 

[Vietthai96]

Would it be Acausality? I mean, he controls the new Law, but for Acausality, doesn't one's existence need to be acausal rather than controlling the power? That said, the Fate Law is sort of inside his existence, and usually characters that use a Law are resistant against it, so maybe it is possible.

BTW, considering fate controls everything and can see everything from the past all the way to the future, would characters that have their future uncertain, ie their fate unknown, be acausal type 4 and grant these types of stuff, or just conventional fate manip?

Isn't you said he become that new law??, so if he just control it then it is just law hax along with what that law encompasses

 

[Digital_Franz]

It negates the thing in question

Yeah Power Nullification.

Acausality Type 4, which grant resistance/immunity to Law, Causality, Matter, Soul, Time, Probability, Fate, etc....

I missed the causality stuff. For the question of resistances/immunities, I would say that it depends on the verse because in some verses the character can be affected by two powers because he is A and not A.

Would a drone opening up like this to be piloted count as Shapeshifting ? Or should it just be listed as a notable technique ?

I don't think it's something relevant. Check Tong Stark's profile just in case.

 

[Lycoris4812]

Can this be used for Broadway force?

<Protagonist's Symphony>:: As a Protagonist, fanfare follows you wherever you go. During the events throughout your life, a symphony shall begin to play to convey the gravity or wonders of the current situation- each time with differing effects. During tough battles, a symphony unique to you shall begin resonating across the domain space you are in as your enemies are granted the Demoralized Side Character Debuff that lowers their Damage and Defense Values, Resource Generation, Vitality Regeneration, and Cast and Movement speed by 25%. Meanwhile, allies are granted the Chosen Extra Buff as they attain 25% increased Damage and Defense Values, Resource Generation, Vitality Regeneration, and Cast and Movement Speed. When constructing Daos, Edicts, or other concepts, a Symphony unique to such an event will play as the speed of construction and success of a new concept will increase. The uses and applications of the Protagonist's Symphony are many as effects will continue to differ depending on the situation....