Powers & Abilities Evaluations Thread

[Digital_Franz]

Creating a fundamental principle which governs reality is clearly the context described in what I sent, which qualifies for Conceptual Manipulation.

Even laws govern the world, not everything that governs the world is necessarily a concept.

I'll find one of the profiles, give me a second. I don't really think the context matters here since it's really just manipulating a principle.

A principle is not a concept.

OH THAT SOUNDED REALLY BRATTY

The discussion isn't going to get anywhere, so either you get the opinions of others here or you do a CRT.

 

[Wonder_of_Fantasy]

What CM Type do you guys think this is?

Even laws govern the world, not everything that governs the world is necessarily a concept.

Type 2 covers it pretty plainly.

 

[Digital_Franz]

Type 2 covers it pretty plainly.

Don't see why it's a concept.

Furthermore, taking you at your word we have:

The ability to manipulate "laws" that automatically apply themselves upon reality, referring to rules, mandates and even fundamental logical principles/truths/facts that are the way in which a reality may function.

A fundamental principle that I can give you as an example right now: nothing goes beyond the speed of light.
This principle is not a concept, which is why I talked about context earlier.

 

[Wonder_of_Fantasy]

snip

No need to get heated.

I'll poke DT to eval, he can probably clear it up.

 

[Lycoris4812]

If you have fused the type 1 concept of fate into yourself along with a nep1 void. Would that mean your fate is nonexistent?

 

[Digital_Franz]

If you have fused the type 1 concept of fate into yourself along with a nep1 void. Would that mean your fate is nonexistent?

It depends, if the concept is erased then yes. The concept may not be erased, so it all depends on the in-verse context.

 

[Tahoy49574]

Would this be Berserk Mode or Instinctive Action, the wearer of the armor is unconscious

 

[Digital_Franz]

Would this be Berserk Mode or Instinctive Action, the wearer of the armor is unconscious

Instinctive Action.

 

[Tahoy49574]

Does an armor telling it's user about it's status count as Information Analysis ?

 

[sukuna171]

—and the Traveler's reawakening DID change what circles mean, you Hunter barbarian! Perfectly squaring the circle cannot be accomplished with classical construction so long as pi is a transcendental number, because root pi is not constructable (that is, constructable by compass and a straight edge in finite steps). But paracausal invocation allows us to set root pi to an arbitrary value even in a flat manifold, and because the sphere of the awakened Traveler defines a toroid in n dimensions—oh, but this is all evading your point, isn't it?
Would this mathematical manipulation?

 

[Vietthai96]

If you have fused the type 1 concept of fate into yourself along with a nep1 void. Would that mean your fate is nonexistent?

No, in fact it mean you applied the concept of fate to yourself thus you are now have fate in case you lack it before.

Of course like @Digital_Franz have said, if the verse provide the proof that the void in question can erase the concept of fate then yes you lack a fate, but if not, you just applied the concept of fate to both the void and yourself

 

[Lycoris4812]

No, in fact it mean you applied the concept of fate to yourself thus you are now have fate in case you lack it before.

Of course like @Digital_Franz have said, if the verse provide the proof that the void in question can erase the concept of fate then yes you lack a fate, but if not, you just applied the concept of fate to both the void and yourself

He had a fate before and he fused the concept of it into his soul. Then he fused a void into his soul.

 

[Vietthai96]

He had a fate before and he fused the concept of it into his soul. Then he fused a void into his soul.

What is that void anyway, since he fused with concept of fate, he became the concept itself, the problem now is the void

 

[Lycoris4812]

What is that void anyway, since he fused with concept of fate, he became the concept itself, the problem now is the void

So surrounding universes is this sea and its a blank void. It constantly tries to destroy universes. (Which are protected by something else.) It destroys anything that's not it. When you erase universes whats left is this void. Its also conceptual.

 

[Digital_Franz]

Does an armor telling it's user about it's status count as Information Analysis ?

Limited at best.

—and the Traveler's reawakening DID change what circles mean, you Hunter barbarian! Perfectly squaring the circle cannot be accomplished with classical construction so long as pi is a transcendental number, because root pi is not constructable (that is, constructable by compass and a straight edge in finite steps). But paracausal invocation allows us to set root pi to an arbitrary value even in a flat manifold, and because the sphere of the awakened Traveler defines a toroid in n dimensions—oh, but this is all evading your point, isn't it?
Would this mathematical manipulation?

Looks like yeah.

 

[sukuna171]

Limited at best.


Looks like yeah.

Does the Traveler defining a toroid in n-dimensions mean anything

 

[Vietthai96]

So surrounding universes is this sea and its a blank void. It constantly tries to destroy universes. (Which are protected by something else.) It destroys anything that's not it. When you erase universes whats left is this void. Its also conceptual.

So a conceptual void?

 

[Wikisource]

What kind of abilities you will have in this case: copied weapon cannot be used unless the original is erased. However, if the original is erased and the copy is sent back in time, both the original and the copy can be used. I ask about people who has copy hax.

 

[Digital_Franz]

Does the Traveler defining a toroid in n-dimensions mean anything

Nah. Too vague for anything.

What kind of abilities you will have in this case: copied weapon cannot be used unless the original is erased. However, if the original is erased and the copy is sent back in time, both the original and the copy can be used. I ask about people who has copy hax.

Looks like Duplication.

 

[Lycoris4812]

So a conceptual void?

It destroys anything thats not itself. This includes matter and souls. Souls are also conceptual. But yes its conceptual.

 

[sukuna171]

Study of the lunar artifact retrieved from the K1 mission provides insight
into the effect I have termed "Clarity."

Clarity violates established symmetries and conservation laws. In doing
so, it defies Noether's theorem, the most fundamental and beautiful
cornerstone of physics.

Symmetry and conservation are two sides of the same coin. "All things are
transformations of one thing, without gain or loss," as my childhood tutor
put it. "If A can become B, then B can become A. We say that state B (say,
a mixed drink) comes after state A (say, sugar and water) only because there
are more probable pathways from A to B. Wait long enough—longer than
the universe—and your drink really can return to state A, spontaneously
unmixing itself."

But Clarity is NOT always symmetrical. For example, it violates time
reversibility. Consider the simple equation:

Clarity(A) -> B.
This is the application of Clarity to state A to produce a lower-entropy state
B. (Clarity is fond of removing portions of a state configuration, harrowing
the phase space down to only its most robust inhabitants.)

Time symmetry suggests that we should be able to run this process in
reverse and retrieve the original:

reverse Clarity(B) -> A.
But in fact, we obtain:

reverse Clarity(B) -> C,where C is the same as in Clarity(B) -> C.
Clarity's effects cannot be used to return a transformed state to its original
state. Instead, we obtain a second transformed state, further yet from the
original configuration.
Does this grant any ability for clarity?

 

[Wonder_of_Fantasy]

Snip.

What is this from?

 

[sukuna171]

What is this from?

destiny

 

[Wonder_of_Fantasy]

destiny

Ah.

Study of the lunar artifact retrieved from the K1 mission provides insight
into the effect I have termed "Clarity."

Clarity violates established symmetries and conservation laws. In doing
so, it defies Noether's theorem, the most fundamental and beautiful
cornerstone of physics.

Symmetry and conservation are two sides of the same coin. "All things are
transformations of one thing, without gain or loss," as my childhood tutor
put it. "If A can become B, then B can become A. We say that state B (say,
a mixed drink) comes after state A (say, sugar and water) only because there
are more probable pathways from A to B. Wait long enough—longer than
the universe—and your drink really can return to state A, spontaneously
unmixing itself."

But Clarity is NOT always symmetrical. For example, it violates time
reversibility. Consider the simple equation:

Clarity(A) -> B.
This is the application of Clarity to state A to produce a lower-entropy state
B. (Clarity is fond of removing portions of a state configuration, harrowing
the phase space down to only its most robust inhabitants.)

Time symmetry suggests that we should be able to run this process in
reverse and retrieve the original:

reverse Clarity(B) -> A.
But in fact, we obtain:

reverse Clarity(B) -> C,where C is the same as in Clarity(B) -> C.
Clarity's effects cannot be used to return a transformed state to its original
state. Instead, we obtain a second transformed state, further yet from the
original configuration.

I think Chaos Manipulation suits this best.

 

[sukuna171]

The Vex network. A thrumming constellation of infinite parentheticals with no arbitrary lines between the simulated and the non-simulated. Limitless planes of cause and effect and effect and effect pressed together until they reached forever. A formless catalogue of all possible forms, constantly reinventing, refining, and redefining the very concept of everything.
is this concept type 1

 

[Tahoy49574]

Are these Information Analysis or just Intelligence feats ?

 

[Minaaaa]

Does destroying an enemy's armor count as durability negation or just higher AP

 

[Digital_Franz]

Are these Information Analysis or just Intelligence feats ?

Intelligence feats.

Does destroying an enemy's armor count as durability negation or just higher AP

Due to a physical attack, higher AP.

The Vex network. A thrumming constellation of infinite parentheticals with no arbitrary lines between the simulated and the non-simulated. Limitless planes of cause and effect and effect and effect pressed together until they reached forever. A formless catalogue of all possible forms, constantly reinventing, refining, and redefining the very concept of everything.
is this concept type 1

I don't think it's a concept, it's something that manipulates the concept of everything, which doesn't mean it's a concept. However if there is evidence that it is a concept then it would probably be Type 1.

 

[sukuna171]

Intelligence feats.


Due to a physical attack, higher AP.


I don't think it's a concept, it's something that manipulates the concept of everything, which doesn't mean it's a concept. However if there is evidence that it is a concept then it would probably be Type 1.

The Vex are capable of using ontological weapons that define what is and is not real. Praedyth was another Guardian who fell to the ontological weaponry of the Vex, only existing as rumors in history—a preserved voice because the Vex allowed it to be so for their own motives.

 

[Digital_Franz]

The Vex are capable of using ontological weapons that define what is and is not real.

Just Subjective Reality.

Praedyth was another Guardian who fell to the ontological weaponry of the Vex, only existing as rumors in history—a preserved voice because the Vex allowed it to be so for their own motives.

Yeah it's not a concept with just these evidences.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Spoiler

 

[Digital_Franz]

Spoiler

• Law (Logic) Manipulation
  • Regeneration Negation
  • Conceptual Manipulation
  • Power Nullification
• Existence Erasure (Probably Conceptual level)

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

• Law (Logic) Manipulation
  • Regeneration Negation
  • Conceptual Manipulation
  • Power Nullification
• Existence Erasure (Probably Conceptual level)

Would the far more fundamental extinction of existence be something more as it's more fundamental than Void which is described as this.

Spoiler

 

[Digital_Franz]

Would the far more fundamental extinction of existence be something more as it's more fundamental than Void which is described as this.

Spoiler

It can get Void Manipulation[Existence Erasure] because it turns everything at 1 layer NEP 1.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

It can get Void Manipulation[Existence Erasure] because it turns everything at 1 layer NEP 1.

actually now that I think of it there's something else that might give void 1 layer while the other one 2 layers. cuz there's concept of desolation which is nonexistence/nothingness but yet it still has mana which the Void explicitly lacks for being absence of all and antithetical to all energy.

Spoiler

 

[Digital_Franz]

actually now that I think of it there's something else that might give void 1 layer while the other one 2 layers. cuz there's concept of desolation which is nonexistence/nothingness but yet it still has mana which the Void explicitly lacks for being absence of all and antithetical to all energy.

Spoiler

• The fact that the Void lacks mana compared to the concept that has it will not give it 1 layer to the void, just that it lacks an aspect that the concept has.
• Reading the scans I realized that the concept of desolation does not have mana but its void can be converted into mana, just like there is a sword that converts energies into void.
• The concept of desolation representing nothingness and the void lacking everything, it may be that the void lacks the concept of desolation and is NEP 2, it is a possibility.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

• The fact that the Void lacks mana compared to the concept that has it will not give it 1 layer to the void, just that it lacks an aspect that the concept has.
• Reading the scans I realized that the concept of desolation does not have mana but its void can be converted into mana, just like there is a sword that converts energies into void.
• The concept of desolation representing nothingness and the void lacking everything, it may be that the void lacks the concept of desolation and is NEP 2, it is a possibility.

yea Void is pretty distinct from it and Desolation can exist within reality while Void typically cant unless under special circumstances and Desolation is still considered to be a an energy while "Void Energy" is explicitly stated to be a misnomer

 

[sukuna171]

It can get Void Manipulation[Existence Erasure] because it turns everything at 1 layer NEP 1.

does this count as nep
Outside the ship, the emperor looked over the edge of the universe and saw nothing. That is, it wasn't that he saw nothing unusual, but he saw Nothing: the absence of light, dark, life, death, the absence of anything, even of absence itself.

And out of the Nothing, there came whispering in a dark language, which filled his head so loud that he forgot for a moment his own language, and suddenly the Nothingness dispersed to show Something, which was a fleet of foreign ships.

 

[Digital_Franz]

does this count as nep
Outside the ship, the emperor looked over the edge of the universe and saw nothing. That is, it wasn't that he saw nothing unusual, but he saw Nothing: the absence of light, dark, life, death, the absence of anything, even of absence itself.

And out of the Nothing, there came whispering in a dark language, which filled his head so loud that he forgot for a moment his own language, and suddenly the Nothingness dispersed to show Something, which was a fleet of foreign ships.

Yeah it lacks everything so NEP 1.

 

[sukuna171]

Yeah it lacks everything so NEP 1.

What if there was a place that existed before that nothingness, where nothing existed, and everything was possible?