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Frieren: Beyond Journey's End Discussion Thread

Yeah the main issue I have is what to actually use for stats. Like can magic LS feats done with a specific spell even be scaled between mages? It'd be weird. I wish Edel using generic TK to launch boulders was in the manga...
 
Zabazab said:
Yeah the main issue I have is what to actually use for stats. Like can magic LS feats done with a specific spell even be scaled between mages? It'd be weird. I wish Edel using generic TK to launch boulders was in the manga...
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Probably shouldn’t tbh unless some comparison between the spells or casters was made
 
Zabazab said:
Yeah the main issue I have is what to actually use for stats. Like can magic LS feats done with a specific spell even be scaled between mages? It'd be weird. I wish Edel using generic TK to launch boulders was in the manga...
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I wouldn't. Unless like, extra info is given.

Like we can obviously say that Frieren could replicate the spell, but can she use TK or grav magic to lift up a mountain in the same vain that dude ripped out a plateau? Probably not, different spells, one does one thing, the other don't.
(As an fyi, someone recalc that using shear strength, that rock was torn out of the ground, probably Class T tbh).
 
Chariot190 said:
Don't matter, it isn't an AP feat in the slightest. It's hax, it's treated as hax in context too.
Also at no point do they actually treat his transmutation as a symbol of actual offensive power.
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Based on what? I’m struggling to imagine a case where transmutation is more explicitly depicted as an offensive power.

Chariot190 said:
He has extremely high mana, about that of Frieren and Sol, he's powerful too, but him being the strongest due to it is more "yeah he can instantly effectively kill you and nobody can do a thing so he's unbeatable" not "he can transmute all this land which translates to him being stupidly strong".
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Most quotes made about him imply both, not one or the other. Serie explicitly mentions how he is powerful enough to transmute the entire Northern Plateau over time in her warning, which is not just a matter of “oh it is hard to defend against” but explicitly makes mention of the quantity of matter he can transmute as a marker of his power.

Chariot190 said:
Which isn't AP.
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Based on what? Downsizing transmutation calculation rules are also established as a method of AP calculation on VSBW.

Chariot190 said:
That isn't even how UES work. Some super weak ass magic takes mana, while some extremely strong magic is negligible, some spells have been optimized, some haven't, etc.

Frieren doesn't even have a true "UES", let's not pretend it does, them having mana which is a universal trait, but that doesn't mean every specific spell is interchangeable in terms of mana. A mage could have a 5-B spell that costs nothing for example.
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There is a reason your anti-feat is purely hypothetical. Because repeatedly throughout the manga raw concentration attacks are used as deciding metrics in battle while more dramatic larger scale attacks are used with the implication of burning through mana more quickly (such as Denken’s final gambit against Frieren). The idea a planet destroying spell would be mana free seems completely contrary to everything we have been shown.

Chariot190 said:
A spell within Frieren is constructed to do very specific things, flight being the obvious example where it has established constraints, benefits, and so forth, they work within these limits and rules don't stray outside of it, some spells can take less mana yet be exponentially stronger than a weaker spell that takes more mana, or a spell can do absolutely nothing in terms of offense and cost an exorbitant amount of mana, and the opposite is true too. If we legit want to calc his curse, it'd simply apply to his highly specialized curse that he spent centuries optimizing and working on without very explicit proof otherwise that it actually scales to stuff.
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And yet Macht’s primary way of fighting still consists of using his curse to manipulate transmuted gold in concentrated telekinetic bursts to attack his opponents. You can’t argue there is a difference in refinement of spells to account for his ability to transmute entire mountains being irrelevant to his general abilities when he literally uses the same curse to attack people directly.
 
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Question, why are all the speeds listed as:
Speed: Average Human with at least Supersonic, possibly Hypersonic+ combat speed
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Like what is the “Average Human” part supposed to represent? The speed page instructs that unless otherwise specified speed is supposed to refer to combat speed, yet here that is specified as the “Supersonic, possibly Hypersonic” part.

If this is just supposed to be without magic for mages, it should probably be clarified to actually say that, like “Average Human normally, at least Supersonic, possibly Hypersonic+ with magic”.
 
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Why is Zoltraak listed as durability negation when it's only stated to bypass armors and not natural resilience?
 
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Frieren Magic Page – Some Ability Removals

This thread is to revise the abilities present on the verse-specific ability page Magic (Frieren: Beyond Journey's End). Superhuman Physical Characteristics This should just specify Superhuman Speed, since many mages tend to be physically comparable to regular people. Resistance Negation (At...
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Zabazab said:
Done
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The profile looks good

Although I would add Social Influencing and resistance to it due to a demon’s nature of deceiving humans and not being able to understand the true meaning behind their words. And perhaps, mentioning somewhere that demons are quite sensitive to mana to where you can’t hide your power from them just be restraining your mana for centuries
 
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Solitär

Solitär (ソリテール, Soritēru?), otherwise known as the Nameless Great Demon (無む名めいの大だい魔ま族ぞく, Mumei no Daimazoku?) is a Great Demon in Frieren: Beyond Journey's End and takes the role of a secondary antagonist in the El Dorado arc of the story, aiding Macht of El Dorado. Considered an eccentric among...
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Just realized but it would be great further justification for Mana Manipulation on Solitar on the whole Demons learning how to resist the normal Zoltraak in Chapter 17 which is why Frieren’s version is so effective on them
 
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The hour approaches…
 
TheGatememer said:
Bored, so made a profile for the Hero of the South. Any changes I should make before it goes up?
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TheGatememer/Hero of the South

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Would he apply for the willpower section

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Magic (Frieren: Beyond Journey's End)

Magic is the supernatural energy utilized by the mages of Frieren: Beyond Journey's End. Being developed over the course of hundreds of years by many innovative minds, magic is more powerful now than it has ever been in the past, and along with that magic advancement comes the standard training...
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Zabazab said:
Am I missing from this Fern sandbox? I wanna put it in a CRT soon.
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Looking back, Fern needs Minor or Limited Purification Type 1 via Spell to remove rust from bronze statues

Limited or Minor Light Manipulation for Spell to map a dungeon as the map is a holographic projection

And I guess you could add to Fern’s Mana Manipulation the Spell that creates mana butterflies as further justification
 
KobsterHope07 said:
Would he apply for the willpower section

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Magic (Frieren: Beyond Journey's End)

Magic is the supernatural energy utilized by the mages of Frieren: Beyond Journey's End. Being developed over the course of hundreds of years by many innovative minds, magic is more powerful now than it has ever been in the past, and along with that magic advancement comes the standard training...
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Maybe? It’s hard to say, given his lack of appearances. Unless this ability applies to every Warrior/Hero
 
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