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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

I doubt keeping up with someone for a little while without them really explicitly dealing catastrophic levels of damage is enough grounds for scaling to them

The wiki treats that feat as good enough to be above base momo which is perfect for Naruto because he isn’t totally on fused momo’s level but he’s not fully below base momo either

I see it as
Base naruto~Base Momo
Half power Kurama mode six paths yada yada>~fused momo
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
More like base Naruto ~< Fused Momo < SPSM Naruto. Naruto was belting that bum before he pulled out the golem
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Momo has more reasons to hold back against Naruto than Naruto has to hold back against him. Now if it took the combination of Naruto and Sasuke which is simply more than 1+1 to take him down that says a lot.
 
Samlex1234 said:
Either way guys SPSM Naruto ~ Fused momo> BSM Naruto > Sage Mode Naruto > Base Naruto.
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War Arc:
  1. Base Naruto has shown to be physically on par with Rinnegan 3TM Sasuke, except in travel speed, whom can tank RinneSharingan Madara’s strikes without Issue.
Boruto:
  1. Nerfed Base Naruto could Match, Evade, & Tank Fused Momoshiki’s Strikes (And yes, the anime still portrays Base Naruto as relative to 3TM Rinnegan Sasuke), Overpower and Kill Fused Momoshiki’s Ninjutsu & self.
  2. Base Naruto’s Ninjutsu threatens SPSM Naruto when fighting Delta.
I say this to say, the difference between Base Naruto and SPSM Naruto is miniscule. Or to be exact, Base Naruto is still in the same Ballpark as SPSM Naruto, enough to be a valid threat to people at that level.

It’s definitely nowhere near the gap between SPSM Naruto & Baryon Mode. 🤷‍♂️
 
There one thing to have a 1 v 1 there is another thing to be worried about sasuke coming in with amenotijikara at anytime.
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
Because never once has creating shadow clones shown to make the clones or the original weaker in the slightest. Naruto making 1000 Clones never once made Naruto’s stats 1000x weaker, or weaker to ANY degree.
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Yer really tempting me to ignore my presentation with this take
 
Samlex1234 said:
Fun fact
Do you know that the speed of light can go around the entire earth 7 times in less than a second?
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I was enjoying Carnival, I didn't even plan to get into my forum account again, but I had to enter to give you my support.

Everyone knows that a fallacy was the only thing necessary to lower a Naruto Verse's feat, and everyone knows that it was an abuse. But they chose to ignore this to maintain harmony here. It seems that this is normal in this forum and they already know how to act at these times. You seem to care this Wiki a lot, so I hope you keep complaining when something you consider unfair it happens. It doesn't matter if they call you crazy or say you are creating conspiracy theories, If everyone conforms to this then there will be no change.
 
Leloutchis134 said:
I was enjoying Carnival, I didn't even plan to get into my forum account again, but I had to enter to give you my support.

Everyone knows that a fallacy was the only thing necessary to lower a Naruto Verse's feat, and everyone knows that it was an abuse. But they chose to ignore this to maintain harmony here. It seems that this is normal in this forum and they already know how to act at these times. You seem to care about this Wiki a lot, so I hope you keep complaining when something you consider unfair it happens. It doesn't matter if they call you crazy or say you are creating conspiracy theories, If everyone conforms to this then there will be no change.
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Thank you so much, man. I'm almost in tears from this comment, I chat with many of these same people off the wiki and they complain about issues like this. However, when I decide to point out this issue and voice it out here everyone backs off and attack me instead. Unfortunately, I can't just be like everyone I can't just do it, I can't lie to myself that the wiki is good and all you need is just have good arguments when I know it is not. People might not value it but one day they will come to appreciate it.
 
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Samlex1234 said:
For me personal I don't think Teen Naruto and Sasuke are simply just as strong as half of prime Hagoromo's they might be weaker or strong but we don't really know. They both got his Yin and yang nature, I believe the chakra he gave them mainly enabled them to evolve. For instance, he did not take off his rinnegan to give Sasuke, however, because he gave Sasuke his yin nature he was able to evolve his rinnegan.
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4th Databook confirms Dual Rinnegan Juubidara is equal to Ghost Hagoromo

Then he awakens the Rinne Sharingan and gains a massive ( unquantifiable ) boost

And Naruto and Sasuke scale to that Peak Madara after gaining their Six Paths Powers and then get even stronger and unlock new abilities throughout the Kaguya fight ( Naruto especially )

They pretty blatantly scale far above Hagoromo, the half of each of his power/seals he gave them stacks on top of their Bases ergo it's not a cap
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
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Even before I saw the name I knew it was you the moment I saw this emoji
 
For what it's worth I also think it's unfair to bog down naruto exclusively for such a thing but I haven't spoken about it much because honestly I lost motivation to argue midway in his crt and decided I would prefer to tackle the situation in the future when I feel like debating about it again to undo damage's changes


it's not like getting it removed means it cant comeback, there's no discussion rule against it and discussion rules can be overturned with the right arguments
and I don't think all of them wholeheartedly believe it's a anti feat that you will never recover from, test and others most probably think authors don't think much about these things so it's not like everyone that subscribes to that mindset
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
No… we don’t need to bring back the essay wars. 😓
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Essay wars in a few days:
CDN media
 
Obvious, but dub
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Samlex1234 said:
For me personal I don't think Teen Naruto and Sasuke are simply just as strong as half of prime Hagoromo's they might be weaker or strong but we don't really know. They both got his Yin and yang nature, I believe the chakra he gave them mainly enabled them to evolve. For instance, he did not take off his rinnegan to give Sasuke, however, because he gave Sasuke his yin nature he was able to evolve his rinnegan.
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wdym weaker? I don't think any answer other than stronger makes sense
 
JohnHendrix212 said:
On the topic of Shadow Clones, didn't SPSM Naruto's shadow clones started popping up like balloons the moment Kaguya switched to the gravity dimension? That does seem to tell us that SPSM clone durability isn't up to par with the original.
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I know it's not stated, but my headcanon for that dimension has always been that the gravity affects you more strongly the more chakra you have. Which is why Naruto's clones dropped down so hard they poofed, and why Kakashi & Obito could run to intercept Kaguya's attacks while even Kaguya was weighed down and struggled to move.


But yeah - there's plenty of evidence in the manga that clones are weaker than the originals.
 
Damage3245 said:
I know it's not stated, but my headcanon for that dimension has always been that the gravity affects you more strongly the more chakra you have. Which is why Naruto's clones dropped down so hard they poofed, and why Kakashi & Obito could run to intercept Kaguya's attacks while even Kaguya was weighed down and struggled to move.
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I want this to be canon so bad. This actually makes a lot more sense than Kakashi and Obito seemingly overpowering the gravity, whilst Naruto, Sasuke and Kaguya were effectively restrained. The usual mental amp argument gets old real quick.
 
MinatoSparkle said:
Kabuto being Itachi's greatest trial/challenge
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It can be used to say Kabuto>Orange Mask Obito. But I'm not sure if it can be used to say Kabuto>Edo Nagato.
MinatoSparkle said:
Ino-Shiko-Cho having a strong bond that can't be defeated by Kurama's power
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I thought Choji should not be below KCM1 level due to his feats against Gedo Mazo. This expression is nice.
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
It can be used to say Kabuto>Orange Mask Obito.
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Could, although it's a little different since Itachi didn't straight up fight Obito all out
Apollonir.Scale said:
But I'm not sure if it can be used to say Kabuto>Edo Nagato.
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I think this is more easily arguable actually, though ig Naruto and Bee being there made it less challenging
Apollonir.Scale said:
I thought Choji should not be below KCM1 level due to his feats against Gedo Mazo. This expression is nice.
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He didn't really do anything?
Ghostimuscrime said:
Finally the forums back up again
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I searched the wiki name many times yesterday to see if it came back on
 
MinatoSparkle said:
He didn't really do anything?
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Some people find it wrong to measure Choji's Gedo Mazo and put him at KCM1 Level, that's why I wrote it. You also posted a statment from Sasuke retsuden manga version before. Because of the expression there, it was written that those summoned with Kuchiyose could be summoned according to the summoner's power level. It doesn't contradict the series, so we can accept it as true. If we consider Obito>Pain, Obito's gedo mazo will be stronger. It can be used for Choji>Hanzo.
 
somehow, i am always back at here, like Aureliano dreaming of the same house with infinite rooms, but never remembering
 
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