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The only thing that happened is that Kurama was not at full chakra, and why does that matter? Would Naruto have used all of Kurama’s chakra regardless?
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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Guys, less chakra reserves do not necessarily equal less Attack potency. Eg, because Naruto has access to all of Kyubi's chakra does not mean he uses them all in a single attack, because Kaguya absorbed the shinobi's chakra does not mean he used them all in ETSO.
MinatoSparkle
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Kinda does
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Shake my head, who has more Chakra reserves, Naruto or Sasuke?
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He’s not saying that lmao.
MinatoSparkle
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Istg people will be using this argument in 50 years
Chakra volume =/= power, but when all other factors like chakra control/potency are the same, having less chakra makes you weaker.
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Naruto not having assess to all of Kurama chakra Volume does not all of a sudden mean his SPSM is weaker because it is not like he uses all of the Chakra volume at a go in the first place. I never said anything about Chakra Volume = Chakra power.Istg people will be using this argument in 50 years
MinatoSparkle
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Sure, but all the chakra flowing through his body amps him, so less chakra just means weaker stats. Same shit with the 30% Akatsuki clones
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Pain > Kurama
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Both are bogus
MinatoSparkle
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MinatoSparkle
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This wiki definitely does not reflect this logic, that would mean SPSM teen Naruto is 6 times stronger than double Rinnegan Madara since his Clones where able to evenly match with Madara's limbo clones.
MinatoSparkle
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When was I talking abt the wiki
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Wait you personally believe SPSM naruto is 6 times stronger than Double Rinnegan Madara While being relative to one rinnegan Madara?
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For me personal I don't think Teen Naruto and Sasuke are simply just as strong as half of prime Hagoromo's they might be weaker or strong but we don't really know. They both got his Yin and yang nature, I believe the chakra he gave them mainly enabled them to evolve. For instance, he did not take off his rinnegan to give Sasuke, however, because he gave Sasuke his yin nature he was able to evolve his rinnegan.
MinatoSparkle
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So what are you saying then?
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Yes, the Deadric Prince of Illusions must have intervened to make all those shadow clones are near the users strength statements as well the author making uzumaki 2K barrage a big deal ,
I mean fuvk it? Why Uzumaki 2K barrage when you have uzumaki one singular punch Barrage.
MinatoSparkle
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Madara obviously has to split his chakra between Limbo clones too
MinatoSparkle
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Like?
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Madara High 3-A meta?
Limbo clones stated equal to original, but they also split his power.
Atleast High Universal, Possibly Boundless
MinatoSparkle
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They have the same power as the original when the technique is active for sure
I would get into all the reasons shadow clones are weaker than the user/nerf you but I'm busy with work so I can get into that later (probably in a few days) if you want
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Shadow clones are weaker then the user, not proportionailly to how much you make 1:1 though, which is what it sounds like your arguing.
MinatoSparkle
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I think it's debatable because there's much evidence in favor and to the contrary
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Call me a non believer but this is deadass the first time im hearing about this since 2016.
Its on par with Mountain Level Naruto for me in terms of Asbolute Delusion.
Very impressed if you can bring up a counter point that isnt
"Old man says consistency is inconsistent"
Like you just did with the kaguya example for every single time naruto made 2000 Clones, or any number of clones for that matter
MinatoSparkle
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cries cause of boruto and kurama messing with it
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whenever u can I'd like to hear it
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it's not inconsistency, his clones are built different and consistently portrayed = to each other
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Because never once has creating shadow clones shown to make the clones or the original weaker in the slightest. Naruto making 1000 Clones never once made Naruto’s stats 1000x weaker, or weaker to ANY degree.
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Either way guys SPSM Naruto ~ Fused momo> BSM Naruto > Sage Mode Naruto > Base Naruto.
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I doubt keeping up with someone for a little while without them really explicitly dealing catastrophic levels of damage is enough grounds for scaling to them
The wiki treats that feat as good enough to be above base momo which is perfect for Naruto because he isn’t totally on fused momo’s level but he’s not fully below base momo either
I see it as
Base naruto~Base Momo
Half power Kurama mode six paths yada yada>~fused momo
The wiki treats that feat as good enough to be above base momo which is perfect for Naruto because he isn’t totally on fused momo’s level but he’s not fully below base momo either
I see it as
Base naruto~Base Momo
Half power Kurama mode six paths yada yada>~fused momo
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Momo has more reasons to hold back against Naruto than Naruto has to hold back against him. Now if it took the combination of Naruto and Sasuke which is simply more than 1+1 to take him down that says a lot.
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War Arc:
- Base Naruto has shown to be physically on par with Rinnegan 3TM Sasuke, except in travel speed, whom can tank RinneSharingan Madara’s strikes without Issue.
- Nerfed Base Naruto could Match, Evade, & Tank Fused Momoshiki’s Strikes (And yes, the anime still portrays Base Naruto as relative to 3TM Rinnegan Sasuke), Overpower and Kill Fused Momoshiki’s Ninjutsu & self.
- Base Naruto’s Ninjutsu threatens SPSM Naruto when fighting Delta.
It’s definitely nowhere near the gap between SPSM Naruto & Baryon Mode.
