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Just how did that happen.
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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Bro aint acting like it though with how long the topic has been going on for and he can refer to the first part then.
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@Samlex1234 and @Damage3245 at this point who's gonna ask the other to be their val?
MinatoSparkle
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Me and Slayer's imgur accounts got cooked (mostly Slayer's)
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Imgur purge, probably.
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How does that even happen?
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Were your accounts public or how the hell does that even happen?
Damn imgur.
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Ghostimuscrime
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Lex dumped arc for damage
(miss those Lex vs arc face offs that gave us peak quotes)
MinatoSparkle
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Idk for Slayer, but I contacted imgur about mine and they said this
Speaking of, are my hidden imgur posts here visible?
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looking at kaguya profile and remembering when momo said he would have punished her. Who's gonna tell bro kaguya obliterates on wiki?
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He can still absorb her attacks and speed blitz lol
MinatoSparkle
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1. Idk if he can absorb Vacuum Fists
2. Base Momoshiki isn't a blitz tier above IT Kaguya
2. Base Momoshiki isn't a blitz tier above IT Kaguya
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So I better keep all my links hiddenIdk for Slayer, but I contacted imgur about mine and they said this
Ghostimuscrime
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Vacuum fists employ chakra at the end of the day1. Idk if he can absorb Vacuum Fists
2. Base Momoshiki isn't a blitz tier above IT Kaguya
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I think so? This one for example works
MinatoSparkle
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The yoke of evil, the deceiver, the Uzuhiko debate has all the top tier crashoutsLex dumped arc for damage
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The only island level feat in all of One Piece.Mother Flame solos both verses
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Base Momo is easily > Kinshiki. SPSM Naruto literally passed out from an attack from base Momo.
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Base 50% Naruto ~ fused Momoshiki > base Momoshiki > base 100% Naruto
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To be fair, Naruto could've easily destroyed Momoshiki's attack (at the cost of everything in his surroundings) and he was only as badly damaged as he was by it because he tried to take the entire damage from it to spare everyone else.
When SPSM Naruto fights seriously he can counter attacks from Fused Momoshiki and injure him. Later a Naruto-fueled Rasengan can overpower Fused Momoshiki's attack and completely destroy him (which is a lot more than what Momoshiki's attack did to Naruto earlier).
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What did you find?
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I know that Naruto could potentially destroy the attack with a Biju Bomb or a Giant Rasengan. However, my point is that while in his Six Paths Sage Mode (SPSM) state, he was unable to tank the attack from Base Momoshiki and was knocked out, proving that Base Momoshiki attack > Naruto’s durability at that moment.
Additionally, the Father-Son Rasengan was stronger than Naruto’s strongest jutsu, as it overpowered Fused Momoshiki’s most powerful ninjutsu. We also know that Momoshiki’s stone golem > Kyubi Mode, which means the Rasengan that defeated him would logically have greater attack potency than Naruto’s Kyubi Mode AP.
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This is so false on many levels. Base 50% Naruto is not relative to fused Momo. We saw earlier in the Arc that base Momo drew blood from a base Naruto with a kick and effortlessly dodged all his attacks. I vehemently disagree that Naruto was at 50 percent power, that statement is very contradictory to earlier performance. Also if you go by the anime he destroyed both base Naruto and Sasuke effortlessly. Also, guy characters don't go full power all the time, even if they are in stronger forms.
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Some things I've found are Kabuto being Itachi's greatest trial/challenge, Madara being an unprecedentedly powerful opponent, Naruto surpassing Pain with unwavering determination, Ay being the strongest man in Kumogakure, Ino-Shiko-Cho having a strong bond that can't be defeated by Kurama's power, Bee's sword technique being difficult to read even for a master swordsman, the Kage being the best of the shinobi world, Pain was an unprecedented threat to Konoha, and the Kage being the strongest in each village.
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He literally noticed Momoshiki and he had enough time to put his guard up or dodge. Later on in the same fight he decided to do the same thing for Momoshiki and attack him from the back and Momo effortlessly dodged it.
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We see him blatantly react to and match Momo on screen.
Capitalized A? Arc7Kuroi confirmed to exist in Boruto?
Naruto seemed to be surprised by that kick so that might actually just be an offguard hit.
I mean it didn't even make him jump to 6 paths which even base Jigens on guard kick did.
When? He dodged one attack in a very specific context.
I mean we have a direct statement for it but it's not like I care
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You didn't add the context of Naruto trying to get to Boruto away, not actually attack Momoshiki. If he kicked Momoshiki there he'd hit Boruto with his body. Instead he made him dodge so he can grab Boruto and immediately take him away to safety
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Yoooo good find
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that’s how I interpret the scene as well, more consistent with Naruto being able to briefly box with Fused Momo opposed to being one shot
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Especially given fused Momoshiki kicks on guard Naruto and draws as much if not less blood from him.
You'd expect him to kick Narutos face off there if he was already damaging him at full power in base
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100% and there’s no reason for Fused Momo to hold back at all much less hold back to being weaker than base lol
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Guys, I repeat this is not how power scaling works. Fused Momo earlier clashed with the 5kages and did not kill them even though we know that he got way stronger than them. Kinshiki could bleed Darui but for some reason, a stronger Momoshiki just kicked him away, what does that tell you? Even while he was in a different form he was not going 100 percent. Power scaling doesn't just work like “Oh I classed with Prime Mike Tyson so, therefore, I'm Mike Tyson level” narrative matters a lot. That is the reason we have so many inconsistencies. Mike Tyson can go from 1-100 punch power and because we can clash at 5 percent of his power does not mean he can't destroy me with 20.
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He very causally KOed them
You're not going to believe this but if you took a punch from Mike Tyson and took minimal if any damage or/and clashed punches with him like Naruto did here, you WOULD be considered in the same tier.
Sure and the narrative doesn't seem to imply base Naruto is greatly inferior to Momoshiki here.
There's so much funky here.
For one, I really can't imagine Mike Tyson fighting effectively while holding back 99% of his power.
Then there's the issue that you wouldn't just lose to Tyson because of power but because of the insane gap in skill, one being a pro boxer and the other being a powerscaler.
And lastly you would need actually evidence Momoshiki is holding back. Like at least an implication. Your example takes it as a known fact but that's not the case with Momoshiki and Nard here
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“Oh Jura was able to clash with Himawari so therefore Jura and himawari are relative in speed and power”. Why should Jura be going at 100 percent against himawari? Now when you apply narrative context you would see that he was not even trying hence why that same Jura is able to destroy her later on when he decide to use a bit of his full power.
However if I was to show you this scan without proper context then you would think Himawari is stronger than Jura. How can Fused Momo ~ Half power Base Naruto 2x > Base Momo~ Kinshiki ~ 3 tomoe sasuke? are we saying that full power Base Naruto is 4 times stronger than 3 tomoe Sasuke and Base Momoshiki. However SPSM naruto is relative to fusedmomo?
However if I was to show you this scan without proper context then you would think Himawari is stronger than Jura. How can Fused Momo ~ Half power Base Naruto 2x > Base Momo~ Kinshiki ~ 3 tomoe sasuke? are we saying that full power Base Naruto is 4 times stronger than 3 tomoe Sasuke and Base Momoshiki. However SPSM naruto is relative to fusedmomo?
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Simple evidence is that the same fused Momoshiki could easily clash with a superior version of Naruto in SPSM with the addition of Sasuke in his stronger form. That is enough to tell me he wasn't going at full power against base Naruto. Also we have evidence that a jutsu from Base Momoshiki was able to knock out SPSM naruto, then Fused Momo shiki went on to create a rasengan that was stated to be is most powerful ninjutsu.
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Except unlike Momoshiki Jura did outright say he's holding back and did outright destroy Himawari. Things Momoshiki did NOT do against Naruto
Debatable since in the manga Naruto kinda dogs him.
And all that'd mean is that the difference between base and 6p physical stats is not that big.
That only works under the assumption that Naruto is vastly physically stronger in SPSM than in base. And as much as I'd like that to be the case we don't exactly have any solid evidence proving so. The only times base and 6p Naruto interact with the same person (Sasuke and Momoshiki) they appear pretty relative.
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SPSM Naruto>BSM Naruto>>Base Naruto
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Also SPSM Naruto<~K1 Jigen>>Base Jigen>Base Naruto
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Also SPSM Naruto<~K1 Jigen>>Base Jigen>Base Naruto
