Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[Samlex1234]

Except unlike Momoshiki Jura did outright say he's holding back and did outright destroy Himawari. Things Momoshiki did NOT do against Naruto

Debatable since in the manga Naruto kinda dogs him.
And all that'd mean is that the difference between base and 6p physical stats is not that big.

That only works under the assumption that Naruto is vastly physically stronger in SPSM than in base. And as much as I'd like that to be the case we don't exactly have any solid evidence proving so. The only times base and 6p Naruto interact with the same person (Sasuke and Momoshiki) they appear pretty relative.

This is where the problem lies, you can't use the Anime version to justify why Kurama is at half chakra then say oh the manga take precedence for their feats.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Naruto doesn’t even need to be at explicitly half, the only thing that matters is we know he’s not at full chakra in round 2

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I really don't understand why so many people accept lowered chakra as nerfing stats but not splitting chakra between clones

 

[Samlex1234]

Naruto doesn’t even need to be at explicitly half, the only thing that matters is we know he’s not at full chakra in round 2

The only thing that happened is that Kurama was not at full chakra, and why does that matter? Would Naruto have used all of Kurama’s chakra regardless?

 

[Samlex1234]

Guys, less chakra reserves do not necessarily equal less Attack potency. Eg, because Naruto has access to all of Kyubi's chakra does not mean he uses them all in a single attack, because Kaguya absorbed the shinobi's chakra does not mean he used them all in ETSO.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Kinda does

 

[Samlex1234]

Kinda does

Shake my head, who has more Chakra reserves, Naruto or Sasuke?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Shake my head, who has more Chakra reserves, Naruto or Sasuke?

He’s not saying that lmao.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Shake my head, who has more Chakra reserves, Naruto or Sasuke?

Istg people will be using this argument in 50 years Chakra volume =/= power, but when all other factors like chakra control/potency are the same, having less chakra makes you weaker.

 

[Samlex1234]

Istg people will be using this argument in 50 years Chakra volume =/= power, but when all other factors like chakra control/potency are the same, having less chakra makes you weaker.

Naruto not having assess to all of Kurama chakra Volume does not all of a sudden mean his SPSM is weaker because it is not like he uses all of the Chakra volume at a go in the first place. I never said anything about Chakra Volume = Chakra power.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Naruto not having assess to all of Kurama chakra Volume does not all of a sudden mean his SPSM is weaker because it is not like he uses all of the Chakra volume at a go in the first place. I never said anything about Chakra Volume = Chakra power.

Sure, but all the chakra flowing through his body amps him, so less chakra just means weaker stats. Same shit with the 30% Akatsuki clones

 

[Nierre]

I really don't understand why so many people accept lowered chakra as nerfing stats but not splitting chakra between clones

splitting chakra meta is wank, smh

 

[Nierre]

Pain was an unprecedented threat to Konoha

Pain > Kurama

 

[DavidTPPM]

I really don't understand why so many people accept lowered chakra as nerfing stats but not splitting chakra between clones

Both are bogus

 

[MinatoSparkle]

splitting chakra meta is wank, smh

Pain > Kurama

*Madara + Kurama

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Madara never threatened Konoha tho, Hashirama smacked his wood across Madara’s face

 

[MinatoSparkle]

 

[Samlex1234]

Sure, but all the chakra flowing through his body amps him, so less chakra just means weaker stats. Same shit with the 30% Akatsuki clones

This wiki definitely does not reflect this logic, that would mean SPSM teen Naruto is 6 times stronger than double Rinnegan Madara since his Clones where able to evenly match with Madara's limbo clones.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Naw the wiki treats Naruto’s shadow clones as an exception/unique case

Edit: whether you agree with that or not is up to you tho

 

[MinatoSparkle]

This wiki definitely does not reflect this logic, that would mean SPSM teen Naruto is 6 times stronger than double Rinnegan Madara since his Clones where able to evenly match with Madara's limbo clones.

When was I talking abt the wiki

 

[Samlex1234]

When was I talking abt the wiki

Wait you personally believe SPSM naruto is 6 times stronger than Double Rinnegan Madara While being relative to one rinnegan Madara?

 

[Iabihs]

I remember when Naruto Dodged Kaguyas ash bone while he had 1000 Clones out,

Good thing he didnt revert his clones and metroman style god statue her

 

[Samlex1234]

For me personal I don't think Teen Naruto and Sasuke are simply just as strong as half of prime Hagoromo's they might be weaker or strong but we don't really know. They both got his Yin and yang nature, I believe the chakra he gave them mainly enabled them to evolve. For instance, he did not take off his rinnegan to give Sasuke, however, because he gave Sasuke his yin nature he was able to evolve his rinnegan.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Wait you personally believe SPSM naruto is 6 times stronger than Double Rinnegan Madara While being relative to one rinnegan Madara?

I didn't say that either

I remember when Naruto Dodged Kaguyas ash bone while he had 1000 Clones out,

Good thing he didnt revert his clones and metroman style god statue her

Inconsistency in my Shonen? Impossible

 

[Samlex1234]

I didn't say that either

So what are you saying then?

 

[Iabihs]

Inconsistency in my Shonen? Impossible

Yes, the Deadric Prince of Illusions must have intervened to make all those shadow clones are near the users strength statements as well the author making uzumaki 2K barrage a big deal ,


I mean fuvk it? Why Uzumaki 2K barrage when you have uzumaki one singular punch Barrage.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

So what are you saying then?

Madara obviously has to split his chakra between Limbo clones too

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Yes, the Deadric Prince of Illusions must have intervened to make all those shadow clones are near the users strength statements

Like?

 

[Iabihs]

Madara obviously has to split his chakra between Limbo clones too

Madara High 3-A meta?

Limbo clones stated equal to original, but they also split his power.

Atleast High Universal, Possibly Boundless

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Madara High 3-A meta?

Limbo clones stated equal to original, but they also split his power.

Atleast High Universal, Possibly Boundless

They have the same power as the original when the technique is active for sure

I would get into all the reasons shadow clones are weaker than the user/nerf you but I'm busy with work so I can get into that later (probably in a few days) if you want

 

[Iabihs]

They have the same power as the original when the technique is active for sure

I would get into all the reasons shadow clones are weaker than the user/nerf you but I'm busy with work so I can get into that later (probably in a few days) if you want

Shadow clones are weaker then the user, not proportionailly to how much you make 1:1 though, which is what it sounds like your arguing.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I think it's debatable because there's much evidence in favor and to the contrary

 

[Iabihs]

I think it's debatable because there's much evidence in favor and to the contrary

Call me a non believer but this is deadass the first time im hearing about this since 2016.


Its on par with Mountain Level Naruto for me in terms of Asbolute Delusion.

Very impressed if you can bring up a counter point that isnt
"Old man says consistency is inconsistent"

Like you just did with the kaguya example for every single time naruto made 2000 Clones, or any number of clones for that matter

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Call me a non believer but this is deadass the first time im hearing about this since 2016.


Its on par with Mountain Level Naruto for me in terms of Asbolute Delusion.

It's very much not

Very impressed if you can bring up a counter point that isnt

"Old man says consistency is inconsistent"

Like you just did with the kaguya example for every single time naruto made 2000 Clones, or any number of clones for that matter

I can get into that later (probably in a few days)

 

[KingogKings777]

Sure, but all the chakra flowing through his body amps him, so less chakra just means weaker stats. Same shit with the 30% Akatsuki clones

cries cause of boruto and kurama messing with it

 

[Nierre]

They have the same power as the original when the technique is active for sure

I would get into all the reasons shadow clones are weaker than the user/nerf you but I'm busy with work so I can get into that later (probably in a few days) if you want

whenever u can I'd like to hear it

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

I didn't say that either

Inconsistency in my Shonen? Impossible

it's not inconsistency, his clones are built different and consistently portrayed = to each other

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

I really don't understand why so many people accept lowered chakra as nerfing stats but not splitting chakra between clones

Because never once has creating shadow clones shown to make the clones or the original weaker in the slightest. Naruto making 1000 Clones never once made Naruto’s stats 1000x weaker, or weaker to ANY degree.

 

[Samlex1234]

Either way guys SPSM Naruto ~ Fused momo> BSM Naruto > Sage Mode Naruto > Base Naruto.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

More like base Naruto ~< Fused Momo < SPSM Naruto. Naruto was belting that bum before he pulled out the golem