Digital_Franz
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Unfounded accusations.Do you know that literally one of the staff didn't even take the time to read the op and has even been against all DxD updates?
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Unfounded accusations.Do you know that literally one of the staff didn't even take the time to read the op and has even been against all DxD updates?
Did u know the staff that agreed to this before now see how this was all wrong meaning they didn’t actually read anything? I’m not tryna be mean here since your arguments are polite but none of the staff agrees to that anymore. You and a few members still doDo you know that literally one of the staff didn't even take the time to read the op and has even been against all DxD updates?
I think some r passable too though the scaling is something that ain’t quite right especially from the boost multiplier scalingI'll check the other CRTs but they still seem passable.
Sure?Unfounded accusations.
Nope. This is stuff written by the author, different from "timelines split at every action".You just perfectly described what happens when you change an event plus Rias in Wonderland is part of the main plot not secondary
That's what you think. At least I'm presenting the scan as it is, without any extraordinary interpretation.Isn't that what you're doing? You're giving another explanation to the scans
We all know why the anime timeline is different.Can you send a scan where you test this?
It's not that specific, just that what is expected is not presented. I already have experience from other threads with you.Yes, I know you are reading it wrong, there I am implying that each anime has its way of interpreting things so it is wrong to ask for things too specifically.
None of the staff stopped and asked us questions or it seemed like they didn't take into account reading our argument and just accepted it and that was it.Did u know the staff that agreed to this before now see how this was all wrong meaning they didn’t actually read anything? I’m not tryna be mean here since your arguments are polite but none of the staff agrees to that anymore. You and a few members still do
that person has a fake administrator role you got fooled
What is this supposed to prove except that you just want to defame a person. Literally it says in the post that since they don't have time to review all the CRTs they are no longer participating. Well, we are derailing the thread, let's stop there.
In this timeline it implies that God was not literally "born" here it happened "born and not born"Nope. This is stuff written by the author, different from "timelines split at every action".
Sure, and did you scan them when you sent them?That's what you think. At least I'm presenting the scan as it is, without any extraordinary interpretation.
I'm asking you specifically what you said that shows that anime is not a branchWe all know why the anime timeline is different.
Slander? You are literally saying that you are only looking at the superficial before accepting this.What is this supposed to prove except that you just want to defame a person. Literally it says in the post that since they don't have time to review all the CRTs they are no longer participating. Well, we are derailing the thread, let's stop there.
Nah,1day 3 pages(5 pages in 3 days is insane y'all)
Why is it the opposition are being said about this but not those that agreed? it can be for both side anywaysTrying to avoid getting too involved with this thread since I'm overworked as is, but the side favorable to the downgrade doesn't need 4 people saying the same thing or bringing up subjects unrelated to this thread. All you guys are doing is (albeit likely unintentionally) silencing the side against yours via numbers. (5 pages in 3 days is insane y'all)
Also to the opposition, I'd say it's definitely in your best interest to stay on the topic initially proposed as the reasoning for 2-A in the first place, you're providing too many angles to your argument which kinda makes it a bit weaker. Not that it means it's necessarily wrong.
And I'll probably take something here to RVR.
And in regards to any other upcoming downgrades, since I'll be taking a break from this site, can you try to keep it contained to only affecting CRTs that have been implemented and not ones that haven't? Because otherwise it'd just become a huge jumbled mess.
LMAOOO im cryingThe first scan, the funniest of all. It talks about breasts. Literally breasts. This scan is unusable.
First of all, go tell the person who asked you to come here.I was asked to send this
So peak. I was expecting this. Can you prove your statements? When he came in here he tried to act a little weird and when things started to get heated he got NEP 2 & 3. Since then the conversation is no longer about him, so I don't see what I've continually targeted him with. Besides, as I said, he's already talking about dragging some things to the RVRT. Well, not that I care.I’d like to start out by asking saying that Franz has continuously made targeted and snide remarks towards Masque for no reason and rather unprompted, I’d like if someone could just get that handled but now for the actual arguments.
Scans are funny, that's a fact but uh I don't think I'm a comedian here.Franz’ OP is very fallacious, and it hinges on the fact of you overlooking that he has no real support evidence and just making fun of scans because they mention “Infinite Boobs” and use it as evidence.
Except even added together they are worthless because they don't support each other. I guess you don't know what is called "context" and not everything can be used for scaling uh.Here is the issue, on its own, this would obviously be a very bad way of reinforcing a 2-A rating, but Franz is purposely presenting these pieces of evidence on their own when they are meant to supplement one another and pre existing evidence. Just because a scan is about boobs doesn’t mean it can’t be used, that’s the craziest ad hominem I’ve heard of.
I don't really like that word and yeah I don't use it but you're the ones who use terrible headcanons. Like, what is this? What scan supports this?Most of the scans used are here to reinforce the usage of words and phrases that involve infinite possibilities / timelines, you aren’t meant to literally take it as THE evidence but as things that supplement the evidence. The most EGREGIOUS thing I find with Franz argument is that he goes against BLATANT text and makes up his own headcanon version,
to add more detail, the Oppai scans reference the infinite possibilities of the powers Issei could obtain from them and how he could obtain them, directly correlating to the differences between the timelines. Issei unlocked Dress Break during V1 in the anime while in the LN, it's Volume 2. He first uses Pailingual during the events of Volume 6 in the anime, while in the LN, it's Volume 5. Issei first uses Pailingual to see past events in volume 9 of the anime while it's Volume 7 of the LN.
for example in this scan ( ) he says that it claims possibilities only “occur” but the scan quite literally says word for word “Simply by throwing a rock at someone, a variety of possibilities are generated.” Last time I checked generated means created, and as a reminder, this is in the specific context of them taking about an ability which reaches into these infinite possibilities, and can take one which would be impossible and then make it real anyways.
Yeah and they are different not because of the divisions but because the author decided to explore other horizons and a whole bunch of other factors.Additionally the LN, Anime, and Manga are all established as DIFFERENT TIMELINES as per Ishibumi’s tweets, it’s not an animation thing it was made into an actual new timeline.
Yeah still lying. I guess literally the scan is lying uh.But that doesn’t matter because the MWI “bunking” section also is you making random assumptions and basically lying about scans.
Just as it is never said that they divide because of actions in the present.“The timeline splits here only happen when the past is changed.” It is literally never once said in those scans that it only happens when the past is changed, that is a random assumption you made. They actually said
"Time warps in the past" OK I guess it's lying.“Firstly, the goal of Loki and the others seemed to be focusing on this time period, a period stretching from several weeks from now to several months ago, and have been manipulating history by making small time warps in the past repeatedly. Regarding their going back in time focusing again on this time period, it seems they sought to create as small a time warp deviation as they could.
And I think you didn't read my OP because I also talked about the modifications of the past, these time warps. No scan says that a timeline is created at an action too, why assume that it is the case?Not once does it mention that these ONLY occur because they travelled to the past, it says they are because of time warps, which is literally just time travel in general, the scan never once mentions that timelines are created ONLY when you go the past.
Uh reason: time travel. They time travelled. Literally what I've been saying ever since.Additionally the 2nd scan quite literally says they need to be careful not to make major changes because if they do it will create branching timelines as a result of them time traveling and making those changes, with it being mentioned that there are several already made.
This is not MWI. Go review your definition of MWI. What? Both scans mention actions in the past and not in the present which is not MWI.Guess what, that fits MWI because every single action they make that is different from and affects the main timeline will just make a new timeline, and in those timelines they’re still time traveling and then those will make more through their actions, etc.
Since I also debunk the MWI it doesn't matter. I didn't randomly debunk the MWI.So yeah, to reiterate on Franz’ rather rudenand not well put together arguments:
1. The scans he says are false are not meant to be used as the literal thing that makes you believe in infinite timelines, Franz presents it as such instead of addressing the actual reason they’re all their (the timeline ability scans)
No, no scan supports this claim. What I like about you is that you are so circular, I learned it in previous threads. You can't give a scan supporting your assumption and you just keep repeating it over and over again.2. Timelines are in fact “generated” they do not just occur and he purposely omits this fact from the argument.
Changes in past only lol. All scans show it. I guess the fact that there is no scan but you claim they are created on every action is not an assumption.3. The timelines used for the MWI are in fact created from changes in the past and future that differ, and it is never once mentioned it’s only in the past, that is a complete assumption; it’s because of the time travel and the changes they make branches that will make more branches.
Their arguments are just so terrible.Now obviously I’m not the DXD expert so please relook at Masque first argument and Dragongod224’s new argument as they do a better job than I could have.
My arguments in the OP are with scans am I wrong? Where could I make a thread without scans? Unfounded claims.Also, Franz please provide scans for your arguments to help supplement it, you’re doing the equivalent of just saying Nuh uh to any opposition and expecting people to believe it.
Yeah sure lol.Also join the DxD scaling server everyone: https://discord.gg/qMa2dVQZ
I think I've made it clear: timelines splitting because of Time Travel does not help MWI in any way. They said it themselves, timelines are splitting only because of Time Travel according to scans. Who told you this is MWI? Please take the definition of MWI again.
What is the reason why there were divisions? Where does it say that it is not only because of the changes in the past? The two scans although different show one thing: the divisions only occur during changes in the past. When Time Travel enters the equation, MWI cannot be the solution.
And where does it say it's not "only"? Don't make any gratuitous assumptions.“Where does it ever mention that these branching timelines are made only when you travel to the past. I know it Amy seem like I have an obsession with this word but the keyword here is only. You keep saying that these timelines are generated only when you make changes while Time traveling in the past but this is never mentioned and is a random assumption.
I can't wait to see what explanation you come up with.Additionally, you don’t seem to understand the point of the MWI (which I think is Countless anyways and countless is 2-B) but I digress.
Another assumption. Wrong. So wrong. Where do you get this? These timelines will adapt to their new stories and will not connect.Time, itself, is infinite. When someone is time traveling in the DxD universe and they change anything they make a new branch/timeline. This has the adverse effect of creating a butterfly affect as because branches are made from changes while time traveling, and it’s not like in the new branch youd suddenly stop Time traveling those branches are gonna make changes, causing another one to be made, and then those branches will have changes, causing another to be made, so in and so forth until the number is countless and practically infinite.
And you think what you said above even with the butterfly effect is the MWI? I thought you were going to come out with something extraordinary but that's all it is. Go back to your definition.That is where it comes from, and that’s how time works. Time itself is infinite, and if a single choice makes a butterfly affect of timelines then yeah that’s how it works.
Ok so to not bother with this anymore, to all the staff that still agrees with this and the ones that disagree pls say it so we can just close this and be done
Do you also have a scan supporting your point? No.You are straw manning my argument, where did I ever mention timelines connect or adapt to one another, where is THAT ever mentioned, do you have any scan that support your point because I never once mentioned that.
Repeating the same things. It would be necessary to justify why these branches would divide at every moment because uh there is no indication that this is the case.The point is that time is infinite, as such these branches choices would go on infinitely and create countless different timelines and branches. The reason it’s not infinite is because it’s never once mentioned that “infinite timelines” exist at a single given time which is required for 2-A but going off the MWI more keep getting made over and over again infinitely which fits more in line with countless universes / timelines which is 2-B.
Oh always the same threats. Can't you innovate a little?Also stop being snide, seriously, you’re gonna dig a bigger hole for whatever person makes the RVR
It doesn't matter here. The point is that you want to introduce your own theories without scans to support them.“Where does it not say only.” Have you ever heard of “Occam’s razor.”
Compared to you I don't even make assumptions. You want to turn scans into what they are not with your own assumptions.You are making a random assumption that it HAS to be the past. I however am saying that it is from time travel because that is what they are doing. You say it HAS to be the past which is never mentioned however the simpler choice is just to assume it’s time travel.
This thread is already 5 pages long without anyone being able to justify this point with a scan that directly states that these possibilities are materialized.I was gone for 10 hrs and this CRT have opened up 2 more pages already damn…I keep seeing possibility this and possibility that without proving any of those possibilities are being materialised.
Bruh I can just drop a rock and boom infinite possibilities has been made.
This shit is so ass
After this thread I read so many things related to many-worlds interpretation theoryMany-Worlds Interpretation
The justification of these guys is the most absurd thing ever. The justification is here. So absurd, so wrong. So the scan they used talks about timelines splitting when the past is changed, which is absolutely not consistent with the Many-Worlds Interpretation theory.
I don't find anything related to Pacific time special time frame like present to splits to be made so I need a scan for that where it's saidwhile the Many-Worlds Interpretation wants at least these splits to be made to accommodate all possibilities of an action in the present.
In the image you linked, time travel is not a variation of Many-Worlds Interpretation but a variation can be a possible solution to time paradoxes. The "possible" should be emphasized. Again, a variation of MWI is not really a good term because it is very misleading and things are not really what the term implies.After this thread I read so many things related to many-worlds interpretation theory
Nah not at all, time travel is one variation of many worlds interpretation so it's consistent with many worlds interpretation theory (scan)
If any one denial this I need a scen for that here where that saided
Read the first few paragraphs of this page and you will see that Time Travel does not help justify MWI.I don't find anything related to Pacific time special time frame like present to splits to be made so I need a scan for that where it's said
Here the think you start this thread with saying time travel absolutely not consistent with the Many-Worlds Interpretation theory.In the image you linked, time travel is not a variation of Many-Worlds Interpretation but a variation can be a possible solution to time paradoxes. The "possible" should be emphasized. Again, a variation of MWI is not really a good term because it is very misleading and things are not really what the term implies.
I will try to be as precise as possible, just to make things clear to everyone.
I don't talk this anywaySeveral theories have been created to possibly solve the problems related to temporal paradoxes, and one theory is interesting since it roughly relates to this case.
It's maybe or maybe not, however the Issei children's said they came to this timeline for parallel timeline that means parallel timeline already existsThe theory in question is that of parallel universes. The theory is that paradoxes are managed by the MWI because the MWI already exists and the so-called "time travel" is not a movement in time but a dimensional movement, the MWI not necessarily being correct because it is enough just the existence of parallel universes. The so-called "time travel" here cannot prove the existence of the MWI because just the presence of some parallel universes is enough.
In dxd parallel universes already exists like heaven, hell or ExE, FxF side form timeline. So this theory useless here.Now let's come to David Deutsch's theory. David Deutsch's theory of quantum time travel is that the contradiction is created without necessarily implying the existence of parallel universes. While his theory aligns with MWI on some levels, it does not necessarily involve timeline branching and is not really a variation of MWI (since it does not use MWI), but an interpretation similar to MWI.
Here the things you completely ignored about dxd timeline theory by saying they used boob to explain timeline literally boobAgain, regarding branching timelines, it's worth noting that The wiki is very cautious about branching timelines and recommends the use assumptions to try to align with some IRL theory
It's make my explanation even clear how issei children explain time travel by saying they came to this timeline form parallel timeline. And things like different events has his own one timeline. And it's actually in the case of dxd.because fiction necessarily doesn't work that way. Time Travel is movement through time, and parallel universe theory doesn't use time movement, but rather dimensional movement.
I think you don't read the scan i don't be justified MWI. I just correcting you because you start this thread by saying absolutely not consistent with the Many-Worlds Interpretation theory.TL;DR: MWI can't be justified using Time Travel.
My words are simple Pacific time that you claims nothing moreRead the first few paragraphs of this page and you will see that divisive Time Travel does not help justify MWI.
Because yeah I proved. A verse using MWI can use Time Travel but using Time Travel to justify MWI is inconsistent.Here the think you start this thread with saying time travel absolutely not consistent with the Many-Worlds Interpretation theory.
Yeah there are timelines but not from splits.It's maybe or maybe not, however the Issei children's said they came to this timeline for parallel timeline that means parallel timeline already exists
Because of interference yeah.Time Travel in this case create more timeline
No, Heaven and Hell are not parallel universes. ExE and FxF are parallel universes written by the author.In dxd parallel universes already exists like heaven, hell or ExE, FxF side form timeline. So this theory useless here.
Yeah I don't deny the existence of timelines but like you said, my point is that they aren't created because of splits.Even side form parallel universe timeline are exists you also accepted that (even though you just saying that they exists differently from spilt)but they exists.
Uh it's what you used to justify that Time Travel is consistent with MWI.So this theory useless here.
I didn't ignore it, just that it has nothing to do with timelines.Here the things you completely ignored about dxd timeline theory by saying they used boob to explain timeline literally boob
Nope.Your entire thread about this because used boob
So... no MWI.It's make my explanation even clear how issei children explain time travel by saying they came to this timeline form parallel timeline.
Nope, it isn't the case though.And things like different events has his own one timeline. And it's actually in the case of dxd.
And uh my whole post was just to show that indeed Time Travel is not consistent with MWI. My TD;DL is clear.I think you don't read the scan i don't be justified MWI. I just correcting you because you start this thread by saying absolutely not consistent with the Many-Worlds Interpretation theory.
However time travel consistent with many worlds interpretation.
I told you to read the first few paragraphs, there are only 3.My words are simple Pacific time that you claims nothing more
Interference, yeah.However In High School DxD, timelines are spawned via various methods like time traveling, actions made after time traveling,
We are still waiting for a scan to support this claim.or even just any possible action or possible inaction
The scan is clear though.Not only by time travel
Maybe i already make small mistake at this point, which you use to manipulate or not to get staff to agree for your proposal.
So I am not going to comment any more in this thread even staff accept or not, (this thread)
If it's gets accepted i just make new one.
Currently we are waiting for @Qawsedf234.Ok I counted 2 staff that agree with the downgrade while no one agrees with it unless I’ve missed anyone
If y’all find those that agree and disagree can yall post the comment of them saying it?
Which 2 staff? Only Planck voted.Ok I counted 2 staff that agree with the downgrade while no one agrees with it unless I’ve missed anyone
If y’all find those that agree and disagree can yall post the comment of them saying it?
99% sure he is making the common wrong wiki staff mistakeWhich 2 staff? Only Planck voted.
Yup my b I keep forgetting that99% sure he is making the common wrong wiki staff mistake(@Phoenks is not a vs battle staff)
Keep forgetting Phoenks isn’t a staff. Can ya ask people staff members to come and take a look at the OP and the counter arguments to it?Which 2 staff? Only Planck voted.