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Isekai at Peace Discussion Thread

Celestial_Pegasus said:
I have started my re-read of the WN.

Think the plan is to do the WN, then take a break before going back to the LN, was in the middle of a re-read of the original Maji Koi, so going to finish off that first.
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Hehe there is a bunch of stuff I should point out in the WN mainly the mid tiers having more general hax :) but I'll let you finish first.

also happy new years fellow Isekai Enjoyers
 
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Just realized this series has over 2100+ chapters.

Of course the chapters aren't long, but still makes you wonder how long it will keep going lol.

No way when i get caught up that I can keep up to date with the release schedule being damn near daily, will have to read things in chunks like I do other series.

I am about 180 chapters into the reread so far.
 
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Celestial_Pegasus said:
Just realized this series has over 2100+ chapters.

Of course the chapters aren't, but still makes you wonder how long it will keep going lol.

No way when i get caught up that i can keep up to date with the release schedule being damn near daily, will have to read things in chunks like I do other series.

I am about 180 chapters into the reread so far.
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the power of daily chapters
 
Same im really curious how far it will go till it ends. Unless it's one of those things where it won't because Shiro...and then when she decides everything is perfect it ends or something lol
 
There are a few keypoints I will place here incase anyone wants to make a future CRT for the verse

Random additions
  • Caraway : It is stated that she can grow faster during her battle in Chapter 628. This should be AD
  • Baron Rank Counts or lower (?) : It is stated by lunamaria in the early chapters that High Ranking demons can nullify magic such as recognition inhibition magic. This was done by Kuromueina but she was unknown at the time and given that lunamaria is knowledgable it would apply to basically all high ranking demons since she concluded them being capable of the feat
  • Astral Form and Magical nullification (?) : Peak Count ranks can supposedly do something similar to what Isis did versus Iris. Alice noted it was common for them to nullify magical / physical attacks
  • Statistic Amp : Almost Every character in the series has ways to amp their statistic. This is more for Speed Equal matches since their base speed should be alot lower but they amp it to great degrees. Forgot the amount but Hina can amplify her stats by 10 to 100 times.
  • Timestop : Forgot the specifics but was told that all Counts has that ability
  • Annihilation Magic : There might be a case to make for it being EE since when kuromueina wiped out the wyverns it with spatial annihilation magic she "erased" them. Iris's annihilation magic causes things to vanish iirc.


Skillslop
  • Alice has supposedly mist like evasion in her fight vs Eden. Granted she was changing her form and using various abilities such as Noel's heart tool that allows her to change into light but its very likely she used to slip past a wall of Light that eden immediately used afterwards in the same text. By occam razor the "mist like evasion" portion was just her skill at work since Noel's heart tool was likely used later
  • Using magic is apparently complex and it takes humans months to learn how to use a simple spell. The process of levitation also involves thinking about the activation and a bunch of stuff. There is many levels to this to add to the complexity such as Basic, Intermediate, Advance, Ancient (?), High Ancient etc

More Random additions
  • Zwei : According to zwei from chapter 495 it was said that very few people like her (with the exception of Isis remnant) can control the magic flowing from their body. Its to the extent that kaito cannot read their emotions dued to lack of magical energy flowing out. Megiddo and Magnawell lets it out because of dignity.
  • Possible infinite speed feat (?) : Alice can apparently jump from two different flow of time where one makes the other look "still" in comparison. She does this without any delay between the two timestreams.
  • Massive speed upscale (?) : It is said that Baseline Count ranks can react to Speed of Light attacks while barons can manage only dozen times mach speed. It is also said that the difference between Peak Count Rank and baseline count being Greater then then the difference between Baseline count and Baron rank (it also takes demons longer to reach Peak count rank being 2 times as long compared to the afforemention).
  • Time manip : Megiddo can age up a bottle of wine instantly by up to 5 years. Perhaps she can massively accelerate her speed using this ? iirc Isis is faster then 10 times FTL without any Time manip being involved
  • Conceptual Manip and Law manip for Lilia : Her scan stats that those with true blessings acquires the authority to learn some of the God's skills. We know authorities are conceptual so perhaps it upscales the potency of her time manip albeit its not that useful other then being harder to null
  • Cosmic Level Six Kings : Laguna's spear was stated to endure cosmic level attacks. This being accounted for was still said to be a inferior to Lilia interms of being a bug to the world. We know Lilia's full potential is upto the Six Kings level so perhaps an argument could be made (?)
  • Existence Erasure Aura for Isis Remnant : Isis in her serious mode is able to cause passive EE to her targets such as autodeleting Life's attacks (rocks being vanished randomly). This seems more limited in range compared to her Death Aura but its pretty nice (not that it changes anything much).
  • Six Kings EE resistance / Mid Godly regen (?) : The Six Kings should be able to survive Isis's EE attacks. Granted there may not be proof but it is stated that they can fight eachother for several years when they are serious. This should include the former case where Isis can EE people pretty casually
  • Magic Energy Drain resistance (?) : People such as Tiamat from Alice's group can survive in the dark forest that drains others of their magical energy (Via some plants). It could also just be her having way too much to drain ? Besides that it does show people of her level possibly having counters to it. Heck Zwei can prevent her magical energy from leaking out so it may coincide.


New Magnawell Key
- Magnawell has this puppet golem body that operates at 70% of his power iirc that he can control from afar.
 
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BoastJr said:
  • Possible infinite speed feat (?) : Alice can apparently jump from two different flow of time where one makes the other look "still" in comparison. She does this without any delay between the two timestreams.
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This honestly sounds like Immeasurable speed... Moving between multiple temporal dimensions is textbook immeasurable from what I know, but would need to see the context of this feat, sounds very interesting.
 
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The 2nd scan is what is important as the space was made by Shallow Vernal and Alice can enter and exit without much delay.

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This is the current ranking of the characters involved.
 
Waiting for the reason to be dropped that Megiddo can reach quasi-omnipotence level. But yeah seems like Kuro should be 6D then. And if that is immeasurable speed, all world creators scale. Finally giving them that.

The context behind time stop is when narration talks about time stop, and the difference between ordinary magic and authority. Basically there are many types of time stop magic magic. Presumably ways to interfere with it too. Which isn't the case for authority.
 
Yea the feat is vague to me, the time there is different, but don't think it means much.

Alice for example could have just teleported back and forth, and to say any movement there is like infinite would make Lily infinite which doesn't make sense.
 
Would this make a difference?
Shallow Vernal creates space -> Alice creates clones -> Clones leave space to fetch Lilia and the other leaders of the Human Realm -> Clone interacts with Lilia and makes conversation to tell her she's being invited to the space -> Lilia + leaders of the Human Realm arrive at the space.
For reference, the chapters are 2086 to 2090
 
I am not up to date, far from it so not really going to argue it.

But from what I can see, teleportation can explain it without any sort of speed.
 
Got back to reading after a long while.

Totally not wank ;) Shiro is 1-A+ because as the Epilogue she would be above these layers of endless dreams
[…Isn’t it difficult?]

[Eh? What is?]

[…Isn’t dating me difficult?]

[………]

This is probably because of this peculiar atmosphere, but Shiro-san sounded unusually unsure… as if she was anxious.

Even though her emotions are hard to read, Shiro-san isn’t an emotionless robot. There would certainly be times when she feels insecure, and it’s natural for her to have at least one thing to worry about.

Hearing Shiro-san’s words, I turned my body towards her and looking into her beautiful golden eyes, I spoke.

[Indeed, it’s difficult, I feel like I’m constantly being pushed around.]
[I see…]

[However, I felt more fun and happy compared to that.]

[…Eh?]

[I enjoy being with Shiro-san. I’d like to spend more time with you… That’s why I don’t feel distressed in our relationship at all.]

[………]

After I told her how I felt without lying, I smiled, and Shiro-san’s eyes slightly widened… before she slightly smiled.

[…I wonder how many years I have lived now. I’ve seen so much, known so much, and even though I had been standing in a position that is near-omnipotent… I still seem to be far from being omniscient.]

[………]

[No, perhaps, there’s no such thing as “omniscience” in this world. The world is shifting and changing, giving birth to new knowledge within the layers and layers of endless dreams.]

After speaking until there, Shiro-san gave me a smile too beautiful and gentle, as if the beauty of the world had been condensed on her smile.-Chapter 240
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Congrats to Reiner.

I am the longest serving admin, and still haven't hit 50K wiki edits, getting close though.

About 400 chapters into the WN re-read, it's going very slow, idk when I will get to 2000+, seems like a distant dream atm lol.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
Congrats to Reiner.

I am the longest serving admin, and still haven't hit 50K wiki edits, getting close though.

About 400 chapters into the WN re-read, it's going very slow, idk when I will get to 2000+, seems like a distant dream atm lol.
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Wanted to ask but are the World Creator Gods accepted as like 6D in terms of existence ?
 
Eh, it may have to be revisited. The entire reason for 6-D comes from Makina level people being able to create higher dimensions, this is a statement about power, not existence, it's contrasted to Quasi-Omnipotent beings being stated to have a difference in rank compared to others, which is a statement about existence.

In short as it is right now on the profiles, don't think it's really clarified, but the intention is that they are 6-D in terms of existence. Whether that will be the case when i get to revising the profiles remains to be seen. Could be more evidence that was revealed since I last read the WN a year ago.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
Eh, it may have to be revisited. The entire reason for 6-D comes from Makina level people being able to create higher dimensions, this is a statement about power, not existence, it's contrasted to Quasi-Omnipotent beings being stated to have a difference in rank compared to others, which is a statement about existence.

In short as it is right now on the profiles, don't think it's really clarified, but the intention is that they are 6-D in terms of existence. Whether that will be the case when i get to revising the profiles remains to be seen. Could be more evidence that was revealed since I last read the WN a year ago.
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I think you're the only one who can really find the frat/statement since if I reread I just read for vibe, so good luck in your rereading.
 
With the re-read so far there isn't much off the top of my head that sticks out in terms of changes, just a few ability additions here and there, and the reading is slow going cause Isekai at Peace is a slice of life, which is something I am usually not much of a fan of.

A large portion of my interest in this series was seeing what happened next, so the same drive isn't there when I know how it all plays out... This is different from a series like Isekai Mahou which has such a complex worldbuilding that seemingly every time I go through it I find something new, and the tiering system changes, so the characters have to be upgraded..

But yea I will get through it eventually, if anything I think the LN will be much smother for me to get through, albeit idk if I will jump straight into it, been neglecting Re Zero, a ton of work needs to be done there.
 
Interesting statement, which somehow got overlooked

“…Excuse me. It seems like Kuro-san is a little busy, so I’ll take over the proceedings. Well then, Birthday Boy Kaito-san, please take the stage!”
Can’t I just receive it here? Going on the stage again… No matter how many times I experience it, I don’t think I’ll ever get used to this attention-grabbing embarrassment.

Well, though I say that, it’s not like I disliked it enough to complain, so I just followed and went up to the stage.

“Now then, with the number of people gathered today, if everyone gives their presents as they please, Kaito-san will be squashed under them… Everyone will have their chance though. Thus, it’s decided that we will be handing the gifts, one after another. As for the order, it will be determined by my own judgment and prejudice.”

Errr, in other words, from now on, people would come up on the stage in the order that Alice calls out, and hand them to me one by one?

Indeed, that would certainly make it easier for me to thank them, so that helps me… but why is Alice the one deciding the order?

“As for why I get to decide the order and not through a lottery or something like that, and what’s with me saying it’s by my own judgment and prejudice… Well, I can understand why everyone is thinking about that. Why am I going to decide? That’s obviously because there are people here who have been “trying to manipulate the law of causality for a while now! That’s also the reason why Kuro-san is busy.””

[…Eh?]

“I mean, we’re all going to eventually give him our presents, so why does the order matter!? Gehh, hey, you rotten angel! Don’t try to interfere from multiple dimensions at the same time! You’ll wipe out the venue! Come out here and I’ll make chicken wings out of you!”
There was some kind of incomprehensible super-battle going in some place I didn’t know about!? Eden-san… is acting just as usual huh.

However, arehh? Alice said people, so does that mean there are also other people doing the same thing?… Shiro-san huh. I see, that’s why Kuro handed over facilitating the event to Alice huh.

No, well, it’s just as Alice said. Everyone is going to get their turns anyway, so it’s not like the order matters…

“Ahh, by the way, it would be better if my present is given last, so I’m going to take that spot… Ah, no, I’ll give it to him second to last.”

…Hmmm… I’m not sure why Shiro-san and Eden-san are interfering with the law of causality by trying to give their presents to me in the order they wanted, but then, there’s Alice, who nonchalantly assigned her present’s order as she had wanted.-Chapter 594
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Eden can interfere with multiple dimensions at the same time, this is interesting because it supports Kuro's feat of destroying several dimensions, albeit just like with that we still can't tell whether this refers to higher dimensions or not. We do know the dimensions Eden and Shiro create are infinite, and outside the scope of logic.

Other thing here is that Eden and Shiro where doing all this in order to be the first to give their gifts to Kaito, so it could be a speed feat? Maybe assuming these dimensions are actually temporal dimensions, but eh seems like a stretch. But yea how would manipulating dimensions result in something happening first if it's not in a temporal sense, not sure if higher dimensions or regular dimensions would fit the fit.

Not too sure what to make of the feat. In other news, getting close to final arc, still a ways to go.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
Interesting statement, which somehow got overlooked



Eden can interfere with multiple dimensions at the same time, this is interesting because it supports Kuro's feat of destroying several dimensions, albeit just like with that we still can't tell whether this refers to higher dimensions or not. We do know the dimensions Eden and Shiro create are infinite, and outside the scope of logic.

Other thing here is that Eden and Shiro where doing all this in order to be the first to give their gifts to Kaito, so it could be a speed feat? Maybe assuming these dimensions are actually temporal dimensions, but eh seems like a stretch. But yea how would manipulating dimensions result in something happening first if it's not in a temporal sense, not sure if higher dimensions or regular dimensions would fit the fit.

Not too sure what to make of the feat. In other news, getting close to final arc, still a ways to go.
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Always funny that God level power is at work just to be the first one to giving gifts lol

This is why Isekai at Peace is peak and based
 
If this is from the LN, then maybe support for immeasurable? But for similar reasons below:

Even if it's from the WN I am not sure, since it says they're manipulating the law of causality directly a few times. Given this is about their order of giving gifts, and we know a lot is based off the law of causality in verse, certainly a hax like that would be used to mess with stuff like their effect of giving a gift before everyone else and what not, or through some whacky temporal stuff. Not sure how that would fit in with "multiple dimensions", but once we consider what they can already do:

Time Travel, create multiple dimensions with different times, see the past/present/future, display different futures...seems more like a hax to send their gify to a different point in time or something. Or through the different dimensions of time. How exactly is this working? No frickin idea
 
It's from the WN.

I am also inclined to think it's manipulating multiple temporal dimensions to be the first to give the gift.

This wouldn't be a speed feat, but thinking about it, if it is indeed temporal dimensions, would actually result in an upgrade to 6-D, idk if it's definitive enough for that though.
 
Wait a.minute, I just remembered something 🤓

In verse causality has been proven to be linked to time, when someone manipulates causality, they also manipulate time, so when thinking about what Eden is doing in that context, looks more definitive to me that she is indeed manipulating multiple temporal dimensions.
 
Yeah, we give them type 4 Acausality because causality is intertwined with time and they transcend them
 
If it's multiple temporal dimensions, that's not just an immeasurable speed feat, that's layers into immeasurable speed.
 
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