Isekai at Peace Discussion Thread

[Enter_Bluey]

Thankfully I don't think the LN updated too much. I'm slightly behind too. Also curious, if Alice keeps her stats post UBF, doesn't that mean she would keep what she gained vs Eden in strength? Or how is that treated here?

 

[Enter_Bluey]

You should, there's tons of things coming up

Spoiler

like Kaito's second birthday

Oh snap...birthday boy gonna get the oddly short girls, airhead Goddess and giant dragon at his doorstep at once


(Bro wait how did that turn into a double post and not 1 reply....vsbw cmon)

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Thankfully I don't think the LN updated too much. I'm slightly behind too. Also curious, if Alice keeps her stats post UBF, doesn't that mean she would keep what she gained vs Eden in strength? Or how is that treated here?

Yea, which is why I am interested to see how the LN will do the Final Arc of the Main Story, because she should be far superior to any of the others there.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Yea, which is why I am interested to see how the LN will do the Final Arc of the Main Story, because she should be far superior to any of the others there.

Which makes me think of the WN as well because it was a statement from Fate there. But it seems she was still more on the level of Supreme Gods still in base. I mean, basically stronger but not Eden level. Like was that stats kept things forgotten in the story? Unless there is some next explanation for the mechanic behind it 2k chapters in the future lol

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

From memory in the WN, it was stated Eden was holding back, basically the whole thing was a ruse to force Alice to get serious about Kaito, but she was never full power.

In contrast, the LN makes it very clear Eden was using her full power, which is one of the major reasons why we split the LN and WN, because that's a massive difference.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Oh yeah, that makes sense. If LN is pulls some kind of twist and makes it so that wasn't actually full power, would that perhaps warrant a merging of both WN and LN? But I am curious, if Alice pulls up to the final arc on the level of a whole world creator in the final arc. It'd basicslly be a world creator fighting a bunch of lower beings.

Now remembering, but wouldn't Fate be 5-D, possibly 7-D as well? Since she's on the level of someone like Shiro? And Alice having CM in her WN world creator key? Ig that's gonna be gone over in the future revisions though.

 

[Noneless21]

Spoiler

btw, Laguna got buffed from the new World creator, she got spear that can do cosmic level destruction

 

[BoastJr]

Whats weird is that Lilia was still called a even bigger bug just for having the potential to reach Six Kings.

Also I do wonder how some of the Six Kings Max Potential should be rated. Since Megiddo, Ein and Isis were noted to be World Creator level at their Max Possible Potential. Think a hypothetical key could fit ?

 

[BoastJr]

Also there is this weird scale being tossed around Youtube in somewhere. Any thoughts ?

Spoiler: Epilogue :

World Creators created Authorities that can control and governs Concepts. This includes Life, Time and Space. They see all their creation including Authorities as no different from one another dued to their superiority in Rank / Existence.

World Creators can create Higher Dimensions Freely. This includes an Infinite Multidimensional Structure.

There are characters such as Alice who are powered by the "inverse" concept of "Hope". This allows her to infinitely transcend since her growth and evolution were described as infinite or indefinite. She also immediately jumped from Planetary all the way to World Creator tier (Quasi Omnipotent) only under the right mental conditions when its to protect someone close to her.

This is important because OVERTIME she would just continue to transcend as there is no limits or cap to her power as long as its the right conditions. This sounds nlf but it isn't. Since she can also fight someone similar to her and this battle was described as a "Tug of War" ergo both sides just transcend / get exponentially stronger. Makina also 0 diffs Alice without releasing any magical energy so its moreso exponential.

Nebula is always superior to her opponents which includes the above example but she exists within the domain of comparing abilities.

Epilogue = Beyond the Realm of Comparing abilities (Directly stated). And would transcend that framework as everything else resides there. Ergo the gap is so high it cannot be compared to anything else.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Spoiler

btw, Laguna got buffed from the new World creator, she got spear that can do cosmic level destruction

Wth there is a new world creator?

Also there is this weird scale being tossed around Youtube in somewhere. Any thoughts ?

Spoiler: Epilogue :

World Creators created Authorities that can control and governs Concepts. This includes Life, Time and Space. They see all their creation including Authorities as no different from one another dued to their superiority in Rank / Existence.

World Creators can create Higher Dimensions Freely. This includes an Infinite Multidimensional Structure.

There are characters such as Alice who are powered by the "inverse" concept of "Hope". This allows her to infinitely transcend since her growth and evolution were described as infinite or indefinite. She also immediately jumped from Planetary all the way to World Creator tier (Quasi Omnipotent) only under the right mental conditions when its to protect someone close to her.

This is important because OVERTIME she would just continue to transcend as there is no limits or cap to her power as long as its the right conditions. This sounds nlf but it isn't. Since she can also fight someone similar to her and this battle was described as a "Tug of War" ergo both sides just transcend / get exponentially stronger. Makina also 0 diffs Alice without releasing any magical energy so its moreso exponential.

Nebula is always superior to her opponents which includes the above example but she exists within the domain of comparing abilities.

Epilogue = Beyond the Realm of Comparing abilities (Directly stated). And would transcend that framework as everything else resides there. Ergo the gap is so high it cannot be compared to anything else.

I mean, I don't really see what changes from what we already know. Also, UBF is infinite growth and evolution, up to the level of a World Creators and those type of beings. After that there is clearly a nuance to this because she can still lose to a beyond omnipotent unless it's for Kaito. Which we know, beyond omnipotents struggle against infinite armies of omnipotents still, even Makina without her own army. So while there isn't "a limit", we know "a limit" in terms of tiering. When protecting Kaito, she certainly becomes very rapid. And similar, it becomes "infinite versus". Though idk how she'd do against actual infinite armies, or if Makina is talking about her own armies alongside the true body. But we know her main body will at least lose, and she can't think of a way to win. But we also still don't know much outside of these beings, and last I remember Makina is like...one of the strongest?

But it also shows a limit, because once Nebula activates her ability and increases her size and encompasses everything, there's no beating it with the current abilities. Plus she will take everything for herself. But that ability also gets extrapolated a lot by outside media like this, because we've never seen it in action or stated like that. Where she will continously +1 if someone challenges her in such a way. She just becomes bigger than the current explained cosmology. It's more a far hypothetical to say like.. "'Faces 26 trillion dimensional person, I am gonna become bigger than their cosmology with my ability". I mean hey I could be missing a detail, or there could be a statement/fight later on proving just that. That's the thing with this series though, it doesn't have many fights but random bomb drop statements/abilities. These are easy to  wank to the extremes and grab something bigger.

 

[BoastJr]

snip

The new world creator is canalis and was introduced a few months ago. Its one of nebula's subordinates which was mentioned way back.

The current list are like
1) Ultimate Kuro
2) Ultimate Shiro
3) Shiro (With Epilogue)
4) Nebula
5) Makina
6) Canalis
7) Kuro (omnipotent)


And so on.

I think that scale is relying on their hypothetical Maximum, Makina's omniscience and conceding to Nebula and implying Nebula would still beat it but thats another can of worms.

Think you already tackled this elsewhere

 

[Noneless21]

Wth there is a new world creator?

yep, not only that, it confirms a group of world creators that worshipped (technically) Kaito for seduced Shiro and possibly saved the whole multiverse from collapsing

basically Lilia's stomach is always in imminent danger

poor Lilia

 

[Enter_Bluey]

The new world creator is canalis and was introduced a few months ago. Its one of nebula's subordinates which was mentioned way back.

The current list are like
1) Ultimate Kuro
2) Ultimate Shiro
3) Shiro (With Epilogue)
4) Nebula
5) Makina
6) Canalis
7) Kuro (omnipotent)


And so on.

I think that scale is relying on their hypothetical Maximum, Makina's omniscience and conceding to Nebula and implying Nebula would still beat it but thats another can of worms.

Think you already tackled this elsewhere

Oh one of her subordinates, it's cool they're actually finally getting into that. I do remember tackling that elsewhere about Nebula and that whole scaling thing. And to be fair, you can beat her before the ability is activated. But she is also a powerful WC anyway, so you're probably not gonna do that before she gets it off.

The list confused me for a sec, but then I read Ultimate. Kuro omnipotent I'm assuming is with prologue (which I think should be 6D, it's said to beat omnipotents. That list just confirms it tbh, I added that somewhere else). Ultimates are like their fusions with whoever is the base? If I rmbr that right

 

[Enter_Bluey]

yep, not only that, it confirms a group of world creators that worshipped (technically) Kaito for seduced Shiro and possibly saved the whole multiverse from collapsing

basically Lilia's stomach is always in imminent danger

poor Lilia

Lillia will need more stomach medicine, and a stronger dose. And venting (lecturing) for like a day or 2. More worship for Kaito too..oh boy

 

[Noneless21]

oh yeah

the "beyond omnipotent" is scrapped, now we have Absolute >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Omnipotent and Omniscient > Omnipotent > Quasi Omnipotent

which is improvement ig

 

[Enter_Bluey]

That just confuses me more...well it confirms previous "beyond omnipotents" aren't a dimension above. It's the omniscience that gives them the edge, I guess. No idea what absolute is, Nebula?

 

[Noneless21]

That just confuses me more...well it confirms previous "beyond omnipotents" aren't a dimension above. It's the omniscience that gives them the edge, I guess. No ides what absolute is, Nebula?

ye

tbh the whole title for world creators are kinda a mixed bag, but at least it only pops up once every 3 years

 

[Enter_Bluey]

ye

tbh the whole title for world creators are kinda a mixed bag, but at least it only pops up once every 3 years

True, there is no need for it, the world is at Peace. But that is a good change now thinking about it. Because a battle of omnipotents is very equal due to similar abilities, and lasts a while until you exploit a weakness in their arsenal. So omniscience is a very good reason to be a different league than normal. They can immediately know what to counter

 

[BoastJr]

beyond Omnipotent is removed because only Goku has that title

He is beyond fiction, authors and writing

 

[Enter_Bluey]

"Hey there Shallow Vernal, I heard you're pretty strong. Let's fight..."

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Actually I am surprised Canalis is above Kuro with the prologue? Oh wow, and I mean so is Makina but she always was I think. They must have better resistance and counters to plot hax. This truly is the power of omniscience in the verse I guess...or thr better growth and evolution.

 

[Noneless21]

probably because they can just make a counter with their omniscient ability, not like we can see them fight anyway

 

[Enter_Bluey]

True, with their omniscience they can probably make a counter to kuro creating possibilities somehow. Or nullify it. Or maybe RE it. Tho idk if re is related to this, cause Alice is below the prologue. Which I assume makes something like UBF get hard countered by always having the first action, and being the reason behind everything. It's probably a combination though, of omniscience plus they are getting stronger. Must be very overwhelming

 

[BoastJr]

Ngl Making a Counter to Prologue which Blitzes anyone is stupidly good.

Either that or they have more stats + resistance

 

[Enter_Bluey]

I'm guessing stats + resistances + knowing how to counter it all at once. I really dunno, if u put Alice in this group, she gets beaten out due to prologue happening first as well. That and Kuro literally controls the story due to possibilities. So my only guess is the combo of growth being abused with developing a counter right away, plus something gained from their evolution. Confusing, she technically should have the first action in everything

 

[Noneless21]

which means the theory that world creators could have plot manipulation is more proven to be true

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Either plot manip or higher layers plot resistance for omniscience and omnipotents. But I'm starting to think..both

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Beautiful Shiro art I saw

 

[Enter_Bluey]

It appears I looked in time to see something nice...been seeing a bit of her recently actually.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Also, going by my reading speed, being 6 volumes into Isekai Maou, I believe it won't be too long before I get back to Isekai at Peace in terms of reading. CRT's are a way off, have to get through AWLBA and then Isekai Maou revisions, also Re Zero.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

I stopped around Chapter 1.2k but usually chapters are so short, not even concerned about the amount of time. But revisions themselves yeah would take a bit considering it's a whole re-read. Thankfully LN didn't update too much.

 

[Noneless21]

it probably wont take long yeah

though quite a lot of them had changed, maybe there will be some upgrades(?) on the line, it's been, like, 800 chapters after all

 

[BoastJr]

Same

Someone made this idk who