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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

Darkmon_cns said:
I have to disagree with you. I don't see why it being cosmic debunks there being a applicable minimum based on the showings we see.
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Because it’s made clear multiple times how much the Spirit Bomb can draw is a relative value.
Darkmon_cns said:
Final form Freiza is already listed as large star level so there's no contradiction with goku using energy from the whole solar system
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Yes, there is. You can’t claim Namek Saga is a showing of this “minimum draw,” when the Namek Saga blatantly says its showing was based on the Solar System. It just doesn’t qualify for this argument.
Darkmon_cns said:
Your aurging that we for some reason can't apply the destruction we've seen so far (taking energy from a planet or star equals being able to destory it, no star is mentioned for Earth's spirt bomb but I believe it was on namic)
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Because that’s not what happens. How strong it is is literally predicated on the time given and resources allowed to be drained.
Darkmon_cns said:
There is also clearly a limit goku can take from natural resources like planets or stars, as goku mentions the attack being full or ready which dosen't make sense if he came charge it endlessly (this is likly for the same reason human consent was needed to make the spirit bomb larger in the buu ark, planets and stars can't give consent so there is a set amount he can take)
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He mentions being “full” or “ready” within the context of how strong it needs to be to BEAT his FOE. Like, clearly see the Spirit Bomb on the Realm of the Kai Planet with just the Earthlings is vastly beyond the scope of the Earth Spirit Bomb normally. Hell, in DBS, Trunks uses like, 20 people and exceeds SSG, SSB, and a Fusion level amp to cut Zamasu in two. Clearly this “minimum” argument cannot conceivably apply to the Spirit Bomb’s energy drawing method.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
What do you mean by official? If it's just licensed material than the easiest way to get to 1-C is through scaling to the one time fissure thing if you compose the arguments correctly. One person, who's name escapes me, DM'ed about it since it involved time travel or something.

If you can prove time-travel to a temporally erased multiverse you'd get some weird 3D+3 thing going on and get 1-C in that fashion.
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Are you talking about that time i talked about the void that encompasses all timelines?
 
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Qawsedf234 said:
It was some crack in time thing iirc
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The demon realms existed before the Universe, would this prove that the demon realm has a different time axis?
 
RedReaper616 said:
He mentions being “full” or “ready” within the context of how strong it needs to be to BEAT his FOE. Like, clearly see the Spirit Bomb on the Realm of the Kai Planet with just the Earthlings is vastly beyond the scope of the Earth Spirit Bomb normally. Hell, in DBS, Trunks uses like, 20 people and exceeds SSG, SSB, and a Fusion level amp to cut Zamasu in two. Clearly this “minimum” argument cannot conceivably apply to the Spirit Bomb’s energy drawing method.
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I heavily disagree with you if it was all about time king Kia should say this, he should tell goku a planet is a reservoir of near infinite energy that need only have the time taken to draw enough out. He dosen't say or implie this or mention taking the native energy of a planet at all, only things on it. I don't see enough evidence that goku'a spirit bomb can access that tier 2 power at all- it is likely the reserve of power moro's bulk of energy is made from is totally inaccessible to a Spirit Bomb or at least was in Z.
RedReaper616 said:
Yes, there is. You can’t claim Namek Saga is a showing of this “minimum draw,” when the Namek Saga blatantly says its showing was based on the Solar System. It just doesn’t qualify for this argument.
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I was pointing it out as a potental counter aurgment, I was only saying freiza dosen't undercut the minimum power aurgment. It's obvious the person that is demonstrated against is vegeta. Effectivly I was saying namic's showing is well above said minimum draw.

RedReaper616 said:
Because it’s made clear multiple times how much the Spirit Bomb can draw is a relative value.


Because that’s not what happens. How strong it is is literally predicated on the time given and resources allowed to be drained.
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Your just wrong there have clearly been multiple times were there was no more energy for goku to draw, it is not endless as you seem to think it is, it has a max and that max has been reached before, and the minimum that has been displayed for what that max is, is enough to completely destory the thing the energy was taken from. Hence why a universesal Spirit bomb would be capable of at least violently fragmenting all matter in the universe.
 
RedReaper616 said:
That's my issue. You're instating a hypothetical baseline, when it doesn't even make sense.

One, Goku's Spirit Bomb, like Moro's drain, affects all life on the planet. Even micro-organisms, apparently. This would mean that logically, it should be much stronger than what it is and closer to the Moro Arc's portrayal. Two, Against Frieza Goku took the Namekian Solar System. So this scaling doesn't hold up. Your only example is Earth. Three, due to what we know of the Moro Arc, there is no way to mathematically correlate a "minimum" or "resultant effect," because the pool it drains from is cosmic. Hell, the fact Goku was interrupted and thus prevented him from making one capable of beating Oozaru Vegeta, proves that it's related to a plethora of variables, including how long he can drain, the amount of life avaliable, (in fact, it's explicitly noted to be a limit so bad that Goku couldn't possibly create a good enough Spirit Bomb with only Namek's energy, and even draining multiple planets for an extended period WAS NOT ENOUGH, meaning there is no "BASELINE" that can be GLEANED, as it is VARIABLE), and due to fact it's literally infinite energy, it's borderline unscaleable because a fraction of infinite energy would be...infinite energy. (Though this would be more a Wiki issue than a Dragon Ball issue, but even THEN we see THIS IS THE CASE, because the fractions of energy that hurt SSB Vegeta and SSB Goku are 2-C, and yet STILL beneath the full planet's energy). And, again, due to these circumstances, the logical conclusion or the argument is that, given they are siphoning from this infinite supply of raw physical power, that those various fighters are vastly stronger than they actually are.
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Okay I concede.
 
Alot of cool lore but

Maybe that demon race ages backwards? He looked a little like the omni king after all or maybe it's his father??
 
Darkmon_cns said:
Yeah like galvins from ben 10 but also getting less mature cus the guy definitely kinda looked like the omni kings I feel like that's who was ment to be there
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Nah, Panzy despite being 82 is considered a kid and has to “grow up.” She thought Goku was a kid because of how he looked, and her only reference point is fellow 3rd Worlder Demons. Implying their adult phase is similar to Saiyan/Humans. Also, there’s straight up just old Demons like the Dandalion plane guy, or that Demon who lost part of his lifespan due to Gomah’s tax.

I think it’s just them being notably different and weird compared to everyone else for the sake of being so, because Toriyama valued big surprises in small packages. Hence why Kid Buu and (Final Form) Frieza look the way they do. He likes the juxtaposition of immense power and authority from tiny people. This is just that on a cosmic scale. Plus, Toriyama’s modern style is just thinner and more gag like (see Neko Majin and U6 Saiyans) compared to his older style that focused on more musculature (which he himself noted).
 
Darkmon_cns said:
This just means the time travel is vai a greater under aching timeline that contains the individual timelines of the universes
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Individual timelines? Which individual timelines? You can literally travel in time, and all universes are affected by the same time travel, there are no individual timeline per universe, all of them, exist in the same timeline, even when they should not be in the same timeline.
 
Alexander said:
Individual timelines? Which individual timelines? You can literally travel in time, and all universes are affected by the same time travel, there are no individual timeline per universe, all of them, exist in the same timeline, even when they should not be in the same timeline.
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This works just fine if again, the individual timelines (which mind you this website accepts them as having) are all contained in one grander timeline, it is in that grander timeline trunks travels through hence why it affects all the universes
 
Darkmon_cns said:
This works just fine if again, the individual timelines (which mind you this website accepts them as having) are all contained in one grander timeline, it is in that grander timeline trunks travels through hence why it affects all the universes
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Of course, this website accepts them, it doesn't mean that it is the completely acceptable way to do it, or that i will eat it, i will not eat hypertimelines, never, or to say never it is a big exaggeration...i won't eat them until they are not here anymore.
 
Alexander said:
Of course, this website accepts them, it doesn't mean that it is the completely acceptable way to do it, or that i will eat it, i will not eat hypertimelines, never, or to say never it is a big exaggeration...i won't eat them until they are not here anymore.
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What's wrong with a hypertimeline?
 
Darkmon_cns said:
What's wrong with a hypertimeline?
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I already said my reasons months ago, first, they are a DC concept, not a general fiction concept, such as the multiverse, dimensional travel, time travel, and etc.Second of all, it is literally the most absurd way to mock a verse and the logic for it is quite cuckoclock.I mean, in some way, having two universes separated by a huge space makes space huge, 5 dimensional????
 
Alexander said:
I already said my reasons months ago, first, they are a DC concept, not a general fiction concept, such as the multiverse, dimensional travel, time travel, and etc.Second of all, it is literally the most absurd way to mock a verse and the logic for it is quite cuckoclock.I mean, in some way, having two universes separated by a huge space makes space huge, 5 dimensional????
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Yes it makes 5D

Weren't you also banned from DB general threads iirc? How are you able to come here?
 
Alexander said:
1. no, it just makes it bigger, but bigger does not mean a entire dimensional plane size.
2.i was not allowed to post in dragon ball daima
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1-) to you, temporal dimensions are significant in size naturally (unless directly contradicted in series)

2-) I'm ngl, if I ever got banned in a general DB-related thread, I’d just assume it applies to all DB threads. But oh well.
 
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