That’s where mass energy scales……. Also an ocean + sky and grass is enough to kill large planet level beings. A star should logically be above star level. Especially since king Kai said “imagine what you can do with earth or even the sun” implying that energy from the sun would be very powerful
depends, how much energy did he took?
Its consistently stated he took energy from the universe to the point that otherworld even joined in. Combined with the fuckton of statements of kid buu going to destroy the universe should support that it would be at least the mass energy of the universe (not flat out because individually absorbing the energy to destroy every planet and star would be less than the omnidirectional explosion) so it’d be galaxy to multi galaxy
I deeply disagree. It's a form of life force the physical size of somthing has nothing to do with it. Ocean sky and grass wasn't all he took from it, he took energy from the birds in the sky, there life in the ocean and yes the life force of grass.
I feel like this ignores how in the Moro Arc it’s revealed the energy of planets are cosmically strong. Moro can use the Energy of Namek itself to damage Vegeta, a Low Multiversal threat. Clearly, the Energy needed to Bust a planet is not comparable to the Energy it Contains.
I misremembered it, he took a little bit of earths energy but
He took it from the earths core as well, which is inanimate. Keep in mind this wasn't ALL of it, only a little according to goku
King kai also calls the suns energy tremendous, while also saying that the genki dama using a small part of the planets energy, can destroy the planet itself.
So it should stand that Genki dama > power needed to kill/destroy the doner, so taking energy from the universe would lead to it being > the mass energy of the universe (which is multi galaxy barely) supporting the universal overtime kid buu, especially since goku in the manga implies in a relatively short timeframe (I think the term he used was "poof") which with multi-galaxy levels of power and teleportation, it would very much be "poof".
so is this supporting or going against my theoretical argument
Against, because as far as the Moro Arc is concerned, New Namek—Identical to Namek—Has the Energy of the ENTIRE MACROCOSM (more, actually, due to upscaling, and Earth scales above that, as stronger SSBE Vegeta was hurt by Earth’s Energy), in it. Unless we’re saying Vegeta is Multiversal in the Saiyan Saga because he can blow up Earth, (which contains multiversal levels of energy), or that Goku’s Saiyan Saga Spirit Bomb is at that level because it drained from the Earth.
yeah........but how much energy from the universe he took? other dimensions helping don't tell me that
no, all the energy of the universe combined(aka, enough to make the stars die out) is like, 4-A iirc, and it clearly didn't get to that point for the Spirit Bomb, hence why stars are still a thing
cause it isn't even tier 3 to begin with
Genki dama only takes a little from the donor but I've already shown in another link that a little is still > the donor, as stated by king kai. All that matters is the range, which extends to low multi.
But Moro can absorb the ENTIRE energy of the planet, spirit bomb only takes a small part and that's enough to destroy the planet.
Mass energy is 3-B, this is for the mass of the universe
A fraction of the Low Multiversal Energy of the Planet. It’s not that taking amplifies the planets Energy, it’s that Planets just contain cosmic amounts to draw from. Meaning you can’t draw any correlation between the values.
Moro can take tiny bits, and his whole-sale drain does so over time. In fact, his literal go to attack is making a tiny fraction of the Planet’s energy just burst out in lava-like form. Mind you, the “tiny fraction” he hits his opponents with is Low Multiversal (Hurts PSSB Goku and Vegeta). Meaning the whole planet’s worth should be so much greater that it’s literally impossible to calculate.
The argument isn’t that it takes the whole planets worth, the point is that the energy that the spirit bomb takes is enough to destroy the donor planet. That’s why I’m not arguing for low multi buu, and only scaling it to the GBE of the sources collected, because the lowest we see a fully charged spirit bomb take from the planet doner is enough to destroy said planet. And likewise it should be the same for the star.
Goku is stupid tbf
Which would be impossible to calculate as we do not know the ration which the energy taken is made stronger
......are you suggesting Goky literally absorbed and converted all the matter in the Universe into energy?
The point is that the combined energy to destroy every individual star and planet added together is multi galaxy, and just barely.
Just use the GBE of the celestial body as a baseline, and add them all up
Mass energy is the total energy of the universe, assuming the sun is the average it would still be close to galaxy level, not including all the planets. Mass energy was just a vague estimate since it’d including the binding energy of everything, it’d likely just be galaxy level
the energy from earth alone was enough to kill big monkey had goku not been interrupted who can destroy the planet, the star statement was just evidence that he can take it from stars as well
Run from it, but the most aura DB villain is gonna be multi SS
Damn, multi solar cell???Run from it, but the most aura DB villain is gonna be multi SS
Weren’t they pre occupied with vegetation to give energy
he goated and the best but not the most aura let’s be honest. Kid buu popped in and stood on business
Nah kid buu was the best
I know.
My point is that the Earth itself has Low Multi-Energy. Taking a fraction of Low Multi Energy is Low Multi because it’s infinite energy. Plus, you have to speculate on how little the Earth gives. Furthermore, you have to consider that your point is that Take Enough Energy to Blow up the Planet X a lot = Buu. The issue is a single planet can gut Buu if Goku just drained it for a lengthy period. It functionally means that, given planets contain low multi energy, you can’t correlate the outcome Goku gets to what the Planet is. They’re entirely unrelated values. There’s no way to logic it.
I’m pointing out the logical conclusion of your argument.
Moro’s strength is irrelevant. He states himself it’s the planet’s energy, not himself, that attacks, hence why he can do so infinitely at no cost other than the planet. He merely directs the planet‘s energy.
You’re using hypothetical limits to say what the spirit bomb can get to, but I’m using the bare minimum to say what buu pushed back in the final arc. We also don’t know how much energy the SB takes from the planet but it at bare minimum takes enough to destroy the planet itself, which is what I’m scaling buu to. the bare minimum is that it would be enough to destroy its doner celestial body via scaling to other times it’s been used, like against Vegeta and frieza. Your argument hinges on the fact that we don’t have a “bare minimum” when that is why I made the argument, because we DO have an argument for a bare minimum to scale buu to. It could be stronger yes but we don’t know how much. Against vegeta and frieza with shorter time frames and less sources it was enough to output more than enough energy to destroy the celestial body, hell against frieza it’s like star level from just namek’s energy iirc
That's my issue. You're instating a hypothetical baseline, when it doesn't even make sense.
One of the few things I agreed with on here today.
It looks like it's the same, in the "History Chart Display" they go to a different timeline that serves the same history as the history of Future Trunks that we know.
Because Planets don't amp themselves with their energy or Ki, Moro manipulate the energy that why it is that strong. Like when Goku or any Ki manipulators get hurt by mundane things when they are relaxed
I have to disagree with you. I don't see why it being cosmic debunks there being a applicable minimum based on the showings we see.
SDBH characters scale to all of time, all dimensions and realms beyond the entire multiverse's flow of time, so I would say yes. Funny thing, Xenoverse has a similar event occur, but with the entire multiverse.
