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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Half of what you typed out is completely unrelated or just long rants from very tiny sections of what I've said.
I don't care if he's teleporting or if he's just moving really really fast.
He's using blue to do whatever it is and that is my point.
I quite frankly do not care enough to go back and forth with these walls of text on a topic I find rather simple.
 
No? You're arguing it was speed which is completely baseless. Gege retconned it long ago to being teleportation, NOT speed. It's why Hakari mentions "can't he get enough fast enough?" and Kusakabe goes ON to explicitly refuse what he said about what Blue's teleportation IS.


Kusakabe DOES refute that notion of blue's teleportation application being supposedly speed.
LITERALLY.

Hakari:「伏魔御廚子」の最大効果範囲が渋谷の更地と仮定しても五条さんのスピードならすぐに抜け出せる!!



Kusakabe: いや アイツの瞬間移動は無下限呪術を使った空間と座標の圧縮だ




Hakari: "Even if Malevolent Shrine's max radius is about as wide as Shibuya, Gojo-san should move fast enough to get away!"
This is in reference to Blue. That's why Kusakabe talks about teleportation because he understands what Hakari was talking about, but decided to correct him.

Kusakabe: "Not at all. He teleports by using Limitless sorcery to compress space and coordinates."*
This is Gege's subtle way of retconning the previously undecided "hmm is it speed or teleportation" (He literally talked multiple times about how he thinks he half assed his explanation about limitless and was unsure. That's why somewhere around vol. 13 or 14 he decided to seek help: Which is where T-San comes in. And Gege proceeds to yoink the explanation he gave

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It does, because it's explained in a similar way to how Kusakabe explains it.

"Not at all. He teleports by using Limitless Cursed Technique (Blue) to compress space and coordinates."*

T-San: "You could cast the visible scale to a point at infinity... Like compressing space or viewing it with stereographic projection. For example, we're about one meter apart right now, but... If you were to view these two points from a great distance.."
"Gege: OH! They overlap!"
T-San:"It's like zooming out with a camera but taken to the extreme and applied to space, thereby bringing two points together (Attraction)"


That's why I'm telling you that you're wrong.



😭 This is just nonsense. We still see the very same god tiers get cooked by a ct burnout. Arguing that they won't get that nerf is just nonsense when even they cannot use their CT. So YES they do get that nerf. It is BLATANTLY part of their brain that gets a burnout. You gonna argue losing limbs don't affect your output either now because they're the "last people you'd expect"? Prove it or drop it.

? That is very much possible. If I see you hold back twice on your attacks (Purple. Gojo did not use full incantation set for blue and red. He only used one part of it. If he used the others he would have gotten far beyond 200%, reaching "Unlimited Hollow Purple" and above the normal one which the latter in chapter 235 reached that through the full incantation. Even without that, gojo could have also casted a domain expansion after teleporting and win the fight RIGHT there. We already saw a instance where Sukuna couldn't keep up in the domain battle at chapter 229 due to being a tiny bit slower.

Second purple: Sukuna explicitly states that a gojo who is relative to him whilst they're both brain damaged can KILL him with the 100% purple at a close distance, and this was for a gojo that had a brain damage centered on his CT. Sukuna's brain damage was centered on the barrier technique part. This is stated in chapter 231, specifically the barrier part. For gojo's brain damage location, it was stated in chapter 230. Tells you more than enough that Gojo's CT was suffering far worse nerf. Infact his nerf in overall output might be worse than Sukuna's since even a CT burnout nerf screws you over in CE control, but I won't be going for that and will stick to the CT heavily nerfed one. And yet Sukuna thinks 100% purple at a close distance as they are right now is getting him finished with no exception made to the likes of DA being there or whatever else. But Sukuna somehow survived without fatal injuries from a far beyond 100% purple at a close distance + several black flash amp gojo, whereas Mahoraga who was relative to Sukuna in stats, or at the same ballpark, as implied by gojo, got completely erased alongside the wheel.
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I wonder why Sukuna got away like that....

The answer is he adjusted the target technique (We've seen him control purple twice anyways with basic size manipulation. Against toji, he fired purple and it was a small ball. After it hit toji it expanded in size as the context heavily implies. Even the volume release shows the same thing and so does the Anime. So very intentional. And it shows gojo can control purple even when creating it, or when firing it he can adjust or do something else to it mid fire. Just like he can do with blue and red as we blatantly see in the Gojo vs Sukuna fight. Neutral Infinity also has a target technique as stated by gojo in the 1 year time skip post toji fight [Chapter 76. It's in the nanami says tumblr translation blog which corrects things from Viz] and fanbook says the same thing for blue. The raws also say the same thing for blue IN chapter 235 when it talks about "target" and we've seen very blatant examples of how blue can pull only one person or the surrounding environment.

Gojo can also somewhat use red in multiple ways kinda if we compare them to many different examples of usage in the series to eachother and how they work.) against Sukuna. Whilst he did make the purple fire in all directions, he did also make the purple's target technique to target Sukuna more specifically, adjusting its power as the context heavily implies to us from what I've shown from the Manga. It's not really the first time someone can do this - Sukuna heavily implies in chapter 236 that he CAN also adjust his target technique to a person. Meaning the act of Gojo doing the same for purple isn't really anything new.

Now for other instances: Gojo in chapter 229 as Sukuna has lost the domain battle, says that he'll bring Sukuna closer to death. This tells us he doesn't want to kill Sukuna, which is obvious given, given that Gojo's and the Jujutsu High gang's mission IS to literally save Megumi. Killing Sukuna is detrimental to that as it would KILL megumi. We know this because we've been told multiple times that if you kill X person, the vessel also dies, and vice versa. Ik you're thinking of bringing up chapter 224 where gojo says "I'll kill you". But that's literally gojo JOKING as the context above from what I explained entails, especially given how gojo literally does joke "special training" "looks like him" etc + can't kill otherwise megumi dies.




Besides, we know gojo further to WHY gojo isn't serious there. Character wise, gojo has been shown twice to say something on the outside but think differently from the inside:

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So this wouldn't be out of character anyways since we literally do see him think differently than what he said (Compare chapter 224 to chapter 229 gojo talking about killing/bringing closer to death)
Now what actually does explicitly prove that Gojo wasn't being truthful there - Is how nobody reacted and questioned gojo for saying this in chapter 224. BUT they DO actually doubt when a cheerful gojo says AGAIN he'll kill Sukuna.
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Shishiso TL:



Pretty much confirming that Gojo was lying. Tl;dr gojo never had any killing intent towards Sukuna and has shown multiple times to hold back as I've shown. Infact even in chapter 229, gojo does not use red or blue but opts to go ahead and give Sukuna a beating instead with his hands when Sukuna was incapacitated BY Unlimited Void's sure hits, despite being very much capable of spamming his CT as even teen gojo post awakening tells us as much.
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"Simultaneously activating Multiple Reds and Blues respectively is coming along as well" - Teen gojo.
We can even confirm this real quick.
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Hands in his pockets and he's manifesting about like 4-6 blue casually towards a fodder with his hands in his pockets.
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CT-brain damage nerf Gojo can do this.

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Does a quick red against mf's that are at the very worst close to Sukuna's physicals (Mahoraga confirmed to be on the ballpark as Sukuna anyways. Feats even support this) despite suffering from CT-nerfed brain damage.

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That very same gojo with CT nerf but with one arm just newly gone from being World Slashed, (which is a very significant output nerf. See Naobito and Hana. Their CT got nerfed as well) literally and very quickly pulled off a maximum blue output after being ganged up on by both Mahoraga and Sukuna, and the latter two, despite the CE spark, could not move up in time and intercept and stop gojo from finishing off Agito. Oh by the way, gojo in this nerfed state can pull up maximum blue output punches.

Now that I've established even further as to why gojo IS holding back the first round (Can't speak much for the second round since he's far more nerfed, so he's very much trying here this time. Though he very explicitly did nerf his second hollow purple, meaning he held back in his finishing move.)

Let's go back to their first round:
Gojo does not at any point use red against Sukuna himself in the first round (Chapter 224-230) bar the first domain battle. And IN the instance he did use it, that was:
1. Gojo was already wounded everywhere and hadn't been using rct for couple of moments despite the big blood loss. His one eye is also damaged from the slash.
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2. Sukuna was domain amped whereas Gojo was not.
3. It's stated that domains have a buff and debuff effect. We even see such instance with a simple domain, which is inferior to DA (Domain Amplification). Kusakabe uses SD and explains as to how his output is higher now and Sukuna's techniques are weaker inside his "domain"


The order of scaling goes: DE Buff and Debuff effect > DA buff and debuff > SD buff and debuff.
You could also argue that the debuff mentioned, IS perhaps also correlating to stats, and not just CT, given how a domain buff DOES also encompass stats. And your own CT DOES get stronger inside your domain. So the opposite of a domain buff, which would be Domain debuff, could affect the enemy's stats and CT. But shrug. Up to you.
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Here is the scan in question.
This is why Gojo used red.

But he never ever uses it again. Only when Mahoraga pops up does he go on to use it. It's not that Gojo can't use it is mid battle - because we see him literally do that TWICE. does it quickly against Agito & Mahoraga + Sukuna teaming up against him in chapter 233.
Does it against Sukuna again in chapter 232. Those two instances are under a CT brain damage nerf.
In chapter 226: He did it whilst being damaged with even his right eye being somewhat damaged, non domain amped, DE debuffed whilst being inside Sukuna's DE, with his CT nerfed and he perhaps might also be further stats nerfed by being inside his domain. It's just that Gojo holds back. The other domain battles further confirms this as Sukuna in chapter 232, despite using DA against Gojo in their other domain battles, heavily implies that this is his first time using DA to take on red, meaning that Gojo never used it again. And yet:

Gojo with just one punch near the end of their domain battle in chapter 228 does this:
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Piercing through his chest with a punch.
In chapter 229 before their last domain battle he does this:
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The panel after this:

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This is not red (I've went over this before. But you can see the difference. This isn't a burnt face but a face with the skin and more torn apart) Heavily implied to be gojo tearing his face with his hands.

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This is a callback to chapter 228, heavily implying that Gojo did indeed do it with one punch at that time, and he does it again in chapter 229.


Doesn't go for red or a maximum output blue to finish him off. Infact he could even go for a quick purple too given how good he is at it.

Hell, in chapter 235, near the end, we see as to how slow both Sukuna and Mahoraga becomes as blue and red are about to merge. They're not even able to quickly move further away as blue and red is about to merge, neither is Sukuna going back to the shadows or desummoning Mahoraga so that the latter doesn't get killed by the incoming purple. But no. It shows that Gojo is quick at the merging process of blue and red, despite it being his first time doing a roundabout way of firing purple + unleashing it in all directions and this was with gojo, as I've said so many times now, under CT-Brain damage nerf.
So he could have gone for a purple right after Sukuna's DE collapsed and fire it away, which could potentially even catch Mahoraga in process as the latter ONLY manifested when it completed the adaptation. Or red that is stronger than the quick fire version, which would kill Mahoraga anyways as gojo fires it away and it hits Mahoraga in the process. But despite all of these options, which would kill Sukuna if he did, he went for bringing Sukuna closer to death in order to incapacitate him (alongside the information overload that will get Sukuna incapacitated enough)

So no. Your explanation for why it is blue that Gojo used, is blatantly wrong. The fact that Yuta as I've stated, DID not comment or react on Gojo using his CT, Blue, as you've claimed, BUT does REACT when Gojo goes to lean back and start pointing his finger towards Sukuna, tells me more than enough that Gojo did not use blue. Infact there's even a blatant speed feat there.

First off: I've already said gojo is nerfed there in many ways in chapter 226. He did lose the ct burnout nerf but he's still affected by other ""debuffs"". So let's get into the feat:
Gojo's output spikes up and he gets faster, surprising even Sukuna as he latches onto him. Whilst doing this, Gojo prepares his red, and then goes on to lean back, brings his finger forward to point it at Sukuna, whilst his left arm latches into his right arm, aka Yusuke's spirit gun signature. Then he says red and fires it..

Ah yes, the "a lot of nonsensical yapping to create a big wall of text, making the debate stop quickly due to how boring is to keep going", I heven't seen one of these since the covid era
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Half of what you typed out is completely unrelated or just long rants from very tiny sections of what I've said.
I don't care if he's teleporting or if he's just moving really really fast.
He's using blue to do whatever it is and that is my point.
I quite frankly do not care enough to go back and forth with these walls of text on a topic I find rather simple.
No. Everything I've been writing is debunking (Or if you don't like that word: Countering your argument) your idea of relativity between gojo and Sukuna by piling up more and more evidence to strengthen my interpretation.
You not caring on what he does with blue would actually just go against your own argument though? You're reliant on the mentions of speed.
And it being teleportation debunks the very idea of him using it as speed as I've evidenced. Gege doesn't think that anymore. There is no blue that Gojo uses to pull himself in.
Ok. That's fine.
 
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JJK calcs try not to extrapolate with unreasonable reactions timeframes challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
Basing it off Maki is just so annoying too. I would've been like "hell yeah! won't get accepted but alr" if he used Hakari being mhs.
 
Ryu is like, heavy hitter level in stats. Which would still put him in the same ball park as Maki which Yuta and Hakari are in too. Might not have the exact value of mach 3 or whatever but that doesn't really matter lol. They're at the same ballpark at the end of the day. King Crimson and Star Platinum situation in a way with the first class statement
 
Ryu is like, heavy hitter level in stats. Which would still put him in the same ball park as Maki which Yuta and Hakari are in too. Might not have the exact value of mach 3 or whatever but that doesn't really matter lol. They're at the same ballpark at the end of the day. King Crimson and Star Platinum situation in a way with the first class statement
It matters when doing a calc. And heavy hitters is not/shouldn't be thought of as "they all scale rel", especially not for speed. I think its clear heavy hitters is in reference to their defining attributes and what makes even trying to freely move about an issue for Kenjaku, not they all can hit really hard.
 
It matters when doing a calc.
That's cool. But I don't really care for it tho. That's my point. I'm just saying they're relative.


And heavy hitters is not/shouldn't be thought of as "they all scale rel", especially not for speed.
? Yeah they should? There's nothing implying they blitz one another or one shot one another with physical stats. Hakari is like > Yuta in stats but the difference isn't that large. Maki is a stats merchant so she's probably >= Yuta prior to their 1 month training. Kenjaku doesn't know how good they are at the moment. But he can judge that they're comparable) or so before this. So Yuta should honestly be > her but nothing that much significant. Yuta fought a way less nerfed Sukuna, although granted this was a 3vs1 indie Yuta's domain + his domain stats amp whereas Maki is fighting a post JL + multiple soul punches (The point of these is to rouse Megumi from the bath which makes him lose more control over his body and more nerfed CE output) + soul damage heart wound Sukuna with one limb missing and another damaged. So honestly, it's quite clear they're in the same ballpark (which doesn't mean equal mind you) with Hakari up there too. Maki can't really get the 1 month training benefits either. All in all - I really don't see how they're not relative at all. Maki could be at the peak of heavy hitters with the other two at the top, or reverse the order. At the end of the day they're in the same tier.


not they all can hit really hard.
Also. The defining trait for you to be good IS literally your ce reinforcement being high as well bro, (not just your abilities because those mean jack if you can't punch good or go fast good enough) or well your stats in other words. There is nothing that proves that Maki is blitz level or one shot level above Yuta and Hakari and vice versa. They wouldn't be in the same tier if that was so. This is even similar to the Gojo-Geto situation. They're fellow strongest, but it's not like Geto is far below gojo in stats, especially given the context.

This isn't even a Naoya situation where he is way too fast for his own level, and he does that with his CT. None of the heavy hitters have this trait.
 
Yuta prior to their 1 month training.
Prove he got faster besides just bringing up vague forms of scaling or telling me "he reacted to Sukuna"
Yuta fought a way less nerfed Sukuna, although granted this was a 3vs1 indie Yuta's domain + his domain stats amp whereas Maki is fighting a post JL + multiple soul punches (The point of these is to rouse Megumi from the bath which makes him lose more control over his body and more nerfed CE output) + soul damage heart wound Sukuna with one limb missing and another damaged.
And you already did it.

There's nothing implying they blitz one another or one shot one another with physical stats.
Never said they'd blitz one another.

So honestly, it's quite clear they're in the same ballpark (which doesn't mean equal mind you) with Hakari up there too. Maki can't really get the 1 month training benefits either. All in all - I really don't see how they're not relative at all. Maki could be at the peak of heavy hitters with the other two at the top, or reverse the order. At the end of the day they're in the same tier.
Yeah same tier of power if we're talking about city block level or whatever but not speed. Maki's reactions are better than others due to her senses.

Maki can't really get the 1 month training benefits either.
Their month of training still won't put them at Maki's reaction speed, because hers is based off something they don't have.

Also. The defining trait for you to be good IS literally your ce reinforcement being high as well bro,
Yeah in overall context sure but here Kenjaku singles out the three most broken people on the highs side beside Gojo. Also Maki doesn't have ce so this doesn't make sense since we're referring to a statement about all three.
 
Prove he got faster besides just bringing up vague forms of scaling or telling me "he reacted to Sukuna"
?

Read chapter 245. It's stated that everybody in the Jujutsu gang got stronger. Yuta also did body swap training with gojo, as we're told in chapter 261 or something. Did you forget all of this??

And you already did it.
Did what? Showing you that they're still in the same tier? What about it?
You can still have Maki above in stats btw. But nothing remotely implies they're speed blitz or one shot level, OF any kind.


Never said they'd blitz one another.
Then they're in the same tier. End of topic.


Yeah same tier of power if we're talking about city block level or whatever but not speed. Maki's reactions are better than others due to her senses.
Same tier in speed. That's really it. She can have reaction speed higher but nothing a level above these two lol. You'd need to prove it if you think she does.


Their month of training still won't put them at Maki's reaction speed, because hers is based off something they don't have.
Still heavy hitter level. Got better. You can as I said, have Maki above then in stats but never outside their level, that's fine.
Also what does she have? All she has is better senses really. Which is why I'm fine with having her > these two in stats because she's clearly a physical oriented fighter. A stats merchant.
Yuta is CT/abilities merchant. Hakari is mainly regeneration merchant + inf stamina alongside higher than normal stats.


Yeah in overall context sure but here Kenjaku singles out the three most broken people on the highs side beside Gojo. Also Maki doesn't have ce so this doesn't make sense since we're referring to a statement about all three.
I mean yeah. Very obviously all three excel at something that the other doesn't. But it's not like they're transcendent of eachother. Maki basically got free mini rct, can't be sensed by "CE sensing", her skill as a physical fighter primarily, and her stats.

I mean. I didn't mean Maki has CE. Maybe I should have been more clear, tho I did say "in other words stats" ig.
 
Read chapter 245. It's stated that everybody in the Jujutsu gang got stronger. Yuta also did body swap training with gojo, as we're told in chapter 261 or something. Did you forget all of this??
Nice nothing to do with speed. Just "oh yeah lol they trained so all stats got better"

Did what? Showing you that they're still in the same tier? What about it?
You can still have Maki above in stats btw. But nothing remotely implies they're speed blitz or one shot level, OF any kind.
Bringing up him fighting Sukuna. Yeah never said anything about speed blitz. You deadass can't read at all.
 
? Didn't we have a debate about this before. You yapped on without proving anything
Reminder of the day that one 100% output purple one shots Sukuna out of existence close range
i never debated about true form sukuna vs gojo here... idk how purple oneshots sukuna when he tanked two.. still, true form sukuna mid diffs gojo and the verse in domains
 
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The panel after this:

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This is not red (I've went over this before. But you can see the difference. This isn't a burnt face but a face with the skin and more torn apart) Heavily implied to be gojo tearing his face with his hands.
ofc that this was red.. after gojo punches sukuna in his stomach, you can clearly see gojo already making the hand sign for firing red, and that same hand was exactly above sukunas head too..
 
Nice nothing to do with speed. Just "oh yeah lol they trained so all stats got better"
So you're telling me you don't understand what CE reinforcement is. Thanks man.
U somehow think their speed increases on its own through physical body training but ce control that is responsible for their CE reinforcement (CE reserves too but that applies strictly more to dura. And they can't get more natural CE reserves anyways), which allows then to become superhuman, enhance their five senses and more, doesnt affect their speed.

Like is this what you're trying to tell me?

Bringing up him fighting Sukuna. Yeah never said anything about speed blitz. You deadass can't read at all.
Cool so you don't disagree with them being in the same tier from what I hear in stats. That's my point.

i never debated about true form sukuna vs gojo here... idk how purple oneshots sukuna when he tanked two.. still, true form sukuna mid diffs gojo and the verse in domains
You don't know because you don't read. When you glaze Sukuna be sure to read what Sukuna says as well when he tells you he gets one shotted by a purple at 100% output. He also tells you how distance plays a role in how strong the output is - Purple fired towards you standing away from 10m, versus 100m, has a difference in how much output purple has. The further away it is, the weaker it is. This is literally why he survived 200% purple because it was weaker than 100% by the time it reached him.

Cool. Gojo low diffs any version of Sukuna no matter what the latter has, if Gojo's completely unrestricted (In the sense that he does not give a single crap about holding back his talent and does his absolute best. No morals or hindrances. Fully bloodlusted) in his mindset. Without it, it's always a extreme diff between gojo vs Sukuna bar exceptions like Sukuna with 10S.

Sukuna fans when they get to learn that Megumi has a large CE pool which is far more useful for Sukuna's stats than having a vaguely "stronger" innate physical body: 🤯

ofc that this was red.. after gojo punches sukuna in his stomach, you can clearly see gojo already making the hand sign for firing red, and that same hand was exactly above sukunas head too..
You can actually see there is no red.

There is also quite literally NO hand sign for red, stop lying to people on basic shit like this dude.
 
You gotta read before responding cause I never cared about overall stats, I was specifically talking about reactions.
Reactions which fall under the category of speed, yes?
Maki can have the upper advantage in that regard, that's fine. I don't see her being a level above them or anything. Sukuna already has this sort of senses as a jujutsu sorcerer (confirmed). Gojo achieved something similar after awakening. Tho the concept is being a "strong sorcerer" or something.
 
Reactions which fall under the category of speed, yes?
Maki can have the upper advantage in that regard, that's fine. I don't see her being a level above them or anything. Sukuna already has this sort of senses as a jujutsu sorcerer (confirmed). Gojo achieved something similar after awakening. Tho the concept is being a "strong sorcerer" or something.
Their combat speed and reaction speed are different. The original issue was about Ryu's reaction being equal to Maki's. Idk how you've come to this point nor why Gojo or Sukuna have anything to do with this.
 
You don't know because you don't read. When you glaze Sukuna be sure to read what Sukuna says as well when he tells you he gets one shotted by a purple at 100% output. He also tells you how distance plays a role in how strong the output is - Purple fired towards you standing away from 10m, versus 100m, has a difference in how much output purple has. The further away it is, the weaker it is. This is literally why he survived 200% purple because it was weaker than 100% by the time it reached him.
Sukuna never claimed to get oneshoted by hollow purple +that was an weakened sukuna btw.. Fatal doesnt mean getting "one shotted" lol, and there is literally no proof that the hp was weaker than 100% when he got on sukuna, only your cope and headcannon says that
Cool. Gojo low diffs any version of Sukuna no matter what the latter has, if Gojo's completely unrestricted (In the sense that he does not give a single crap about holding back his talent and does his absolute best. No morals or hindrances. Fully bloodlusted) in his mindset. Without it, it's always a extreme diff between gojo vs Sukuna bar exceptions like Sukuna with 10S.
Holding back his talent :ROFLMAO:? bro, gojo (while glazing sukuna) himself said that he exploited literally 100% of his body/ talent on trying to deefeat sukuna.
Sukuna fans when they get to learn that Megumi has a large CE pool which is far more useful for Sukuna's stats than having a vaguely "stronger" innate physical body: 🤯
wow.. another headcannon with literally no evidence to back up, but youre right bro
You can actually see there is no red.

There is also quite literally NO hand sign for red, stop lying to people on basic shit like this dude.
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def not a hand sign right there lmao, you can clearly see how before grabbing sukuna with blue, gojo had both of his hands fully closed, and then, he punches sukuna while placing the other hand exactly above the place where sukuna got hit and start opening the hand sign for red..
 
Their combat speed and reaction speed are different. The original issue was about Ryu's reaction being equal to Maki's. Idk how you've come to this point nor why Gojo or Sukuna have anything to do with this.
Yeah I don't see them being drastically higher than other tiers above or anything. So y'know: this just comes back in a circle - they're in the same ballpark or tier. Maki can be on the higher end with them on the lower end that's fine with me.


Sukuna never claimed to get oneshoted by hollow purple +that was an weakened sukuna btw.. Fatal doesnt mean getting "one shotted" lol, and there is literally no proof that the hp was weaker than 100% when he got on sukuna, only your cope and headcannon says that
Oh? You sure about that? BET. we can go over it.
He says 致命傷 chimeishou in chapter 234! which means fatal injury or fatal wound together, basically “fatal leading to death”. The kanji phrase has 3 kanji in it when it’s broken down. It’s "chi," which means causing or to cause, "mei" which means life/fate and "shou" which means injury. Put together it’s just fatal wound, something causing death. This is the same Sukuna that has the card of true form to heal himself btw, as well as rct that is garbage but still working. He can also use CE to keep his blood pumping without a heart.
Yes. Weakened Sukuna. So is gojo. They're relative in the second round as they're weakened. But the difference between them is the fact that Gojo's brain damage is located in exactly where his CT is. Sukuna's brain damage is located IN his barrier technique areas. This means that the CT nerf gojo has is more harder on his CT control that also correlates to output, than it is for Sukuna. Sure they're nerfed in stats, but gojo has a worse CT nerf here.
You would know this as I already addressed these stupid arguments you're making, but nah you decided to cherry pick like you always do. W debating.
No proof? Lol. When Sukuna tells US Manga readers, quote on quote:
(Shishiso translation chapter 234 when Sukuna is talking about chapter 223 purple aka "200"): "Even though I took it head on, it only blew away my reinforced arms. (Yes he lost two) Maybe that was because it came from nearly 4km away." -> Continuing to the next paragraph:
"But I'm also not at my best right now. At this distance, even a 100% output purple would cause a fatal wound"


(Tcbscans TL of chapter 234): "He looked to be less than four kilometers away. Yet even taking it head-on, all I lost was both of my enhanced arms." ->
Continuing to the next paragraph on the same panel: "However, I'm not exactly in perfect shape right now. If I take a purple from this distance, even at 100% output, it will likely prove fatal"
So just like hollow purple that was fired at Hanami. It likely dissipated due to the output going out. And this isn't really a new concept honestly. Do you think hollow purple can go on forever without any energy being consumed, that being its output? This is obviously wrong. We all know this. Hell, Sukuna taking it head on lead to the purple dissipating anyways so obviously it consumes energy as it travels, especially when it is hitting anything in its path. Buildings and the like.







Holding back his talent :ROFLMAO:? bro, gojo (while glazing sukuna) himself said that he exploited literally 100% of his body/ talent on trying to deefeat sukuna.
? He didn't say that, you're making shit up. Talent was never said. All he said is that he gave his all to reach him, and he lists out what it is, the very same gojo that held back given that he points it out and so does the gang subtly - Can't kill Megumi. That's obviously not literally giving his everything quite literally.
Though if you read a bit better you'd understand that you're supposed to connect the context from the previous panel where gojo talks about loneliness, human/living creature and connections with others + understanding. Gojo wanted to do that with Sukuna. That's all there is to it.

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Also, glazing? Right. Paying your respects to your opponent whilst not fully understanding their abilities (Which is quite literally proven by Sukuna and the narrator explaining as to how Sukuna did certain things, what abilities he has and how they works. Funny as to how fire arrow was treated as "lol not so useful against gojo" by the narrator and Sukuna themselves. Not just because of infinity but also his strength) as to how they killed you to in which you assumed that was their trump card, is glazing.


wow.. another headcannon with literally no evidence to back up, but youre right bro
No evidence but you're here a walking embodiment of a headcanon writer 😂.
Megumi with a incomplete DE holds out against Dagon who is skilled enough in barrier techniques to even adjust the power of his sure hit and the like. And he does it for a long @ss while. Then he goes on to continue fighting even more after this. DE is very much CE consuming. And one of the things we're told about DE IS how CE reserves help out in winning domain battles. This is the same megumi that is below any domain expansion user in barrier techniques 😂 and he held it out against Dagon, a cursed disaster spirit that was hyped up in he exhibition arc to be somewhat comparable to Jogo for some reason.
Oh I wonder what we can deduce from this....
Ce reserves. Megumi has a lot of CE reserves. At least more than everybody else not named Yuta and Sukuna.


def not a hand sign right there lmao, you can clearly see how before grabbing sukuna with blue, gojo had both of his hands fully closed, and then, he punches sukuna while placing the other hand exactly above the place where sukuna got hit and start opening the hand sign for red..
You sure do love playing stupid. Nice job.
He has his hands closed because he's fighting in combat.
He's not placing his other hand ABOVE. Sukuna is quite literally THERE. LITERALLY came under gojo, and this is where gojo is somewhat crouching here 😭 of course his other hand would open up.
Also, you most likely don't know this because you're busy being disingenuous but - Fighters SOMETIMES would subconsciously Have their other hand vacant or open WHEN punching. In gojo's case, he's locked in position with his punch pushing against Sukuna, and his other hand is remaining there. What's even funnier about your stupid interpretation is how you claimed gojo is holding IT pointing at Sukuna's face, when the other HAND is literally BEHIND Sukuna's head in this angle.

Meanwhile your argument that he already has the hand sign there is funny as **** because gojo doesn't say cursed technique reversal. There isn't even a mention OF it on screen even if it was silent and not said verbally. And here you are saying he's already doing the hand sign for red. Who are you trying to fool? BTW I'm sure you'll argue you didn't claim this, BUT THIS IS literally your argument. You're hinging on there being a hand sign already before this. So you can't backtrack here to then say "no he's opening his hand for the hand sign for red"

u genuinely suck at interpreting the Manga more than a hypothetical fusion of Arkenis, guacamole and some couple more. Their fusion multiplier weaker than you in reading 💀🫵
 
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