Why aren't Creation feats scaled above atomization?

[TheOrangeGuy09]

If you create something out of nothing, it's gotta have require more energy than destroying that "something" into subatomic particles.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

If you create something out of nothing, it's gotta have require more energy than destroying that "something" into subatomic particles.

Im not a math man, but wouldn't it be literally impossible to calc the difference given that creating something out of nothing is a phenomena that doesn't exist irl. Destruction on a subatomic level is the closest approximation we can really give without potentially highballing. Sorta just lowballing for the sake of accuracy right?

 

[Huesito88]

Im not a math man, but wouldn't it be literally impossible to calc the difference given that creating something out of nothing is a phenomena that doesn't exist irl. Destruction on a subatomic level is the closest approximation we can really give without potentially highballing. Sorta just lowballing for the sake of accuracy right?

Well from what I heard there is a way to calculate the destruction of protons

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Im not a math man, but wouldn't it be literally impossible to calc the difference given that creating something out of nothing is a phenomena that doesn't exist irl. Destruction on a subatomic level is the closest approximation we can really give without potentially highballing. Sorta just lowballing for the sake of accuracy right?

Yes, creating something out of nothing violates the principles of energy and mass conservations, but that’s fiction, after all. Also, this wiki already recognizes that even Attack Potency the way we treat it ignore them, so same should be done here.
Although due to this we cannot exactly quantify the energy required to perform the feat via the formula (since it can’t exist), we can use atomization as a low ball, since it must be far higher than that as I said.
Now I’m curious: can the same apply to EE? It’s kind of the opposite of Creation.

 

[Huesito88]

Yes, creating something out of nothing violates the principles of energy and mass conservations, but that’s fiction, after all. Also, this wiki already recognizes that even Attack Potency the way we treat it ignore them, so same should be done here.
Although due to this we cannot exactly quantify the energy required to perform the feat via the formula (since it can’t exist), we can use atomization as a low ball, since it must be far higher than that as I said.
Now I’m curious: can the same apply to EE? It’s kind of the opposite of Creation.

If it's existence eraser via "sheer power" (not Hax then yes), then you could try and calculate at the very least using the destruction of all protons, thing is 99.9999% percent of all legit feats of sheer powers (not Hax) feats are done by characters that are already galaxy or universal tier or higher. So there's no reason to try to calculate something like that.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Im not a math man,

Physics*

but wouldn't it be literally impossible to calc the difference given that creating something out of nothing is a phenomena that doesn't exist irl. Destruction on a subatomic level is the closest approximation we can really give without potentially highballing. Sorta just lowballing for the sake of accuracy right?

From what I know of physics, the closest could be using Einstein's E=mc² formula, since it shows the energy a kg of mass has while resting. So creating that amount of mass'd need that amount of energy ig

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Now I’m curious: can the same apply to EE? It’s kind of the opposite of Creation.

If the EE is done by something like "he punched the character and erased him out of existence completely", then it can be valid for calculations, but if it's hax, then no, at least not as long as they're not doing a massive EE on a literal construct like an entire universe or something. An example for the invalid case would be Hakai from Dragon Ball, I suppose.
Tho I may be wrong, but that's what I got watching the anime.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

In theory, Creation/EE feats are debatably much higher than what are consistently calculated. But it often leads to far many speculations; it was decided GBE was the least bad option for Moons and above, and then just generic fragmentation of rock for creation feats lower. Realistically, all objects have GBE, but calculating the exact GBE of a human body would be difficult. And the standard calculator always assumes planets are perfect spheres. There are people who think they should be using Mass-Energy conversion or Subatomic destruction level, but then we'd be having forming bullets in thin air being town level or forming katanas in thin air being City level.