[Genshin] 4-A God-Tiers Upgrade 😰 (🥀)

[Puppet43]

just like Dottore who created our battle arena in it

If u gonna use Dottore as a base, remind u Dottore's domain can be seen from outside, they are barely city size

There are multiple of this trought all of Nod krai, so u giving more consistency of it not being near the size to hold an actual star

 

[Voidnether]

because the creation of a space like this is indeed the ability of the moon goddess, just like Dottore who created our battle arena in it, Columbina did the same thing, that's why the space can changed when Columbina arrived

Dottore never created that battle arena, it was already there from the beginning.

 

[MSahla]

I forgot that I haven't gave my own reasoning whatsoever, but Columbina "creating her own pocket dimension" here visually only shows us that there are 3 Moons. We don't see any stars around said pocket dimension so it's not really a starry sky imo plus I feel like it's just a reality warping feat instead of it being pocket dimensional because we still see the floor being the exact same.

Not really, because she literally did the same feat in her Selenic Chronicles quest

I disagree with Istaroth being able to create a starry sky, we know said starry sky refers to the stars inside False Sky which is already there at the beginning of Genshin Impact even before Phanes created the False Sky as a barrier between the starry sky and the actual universe.

No. That's not the context. Seems like you haven't read Spring of Hidden Jade.

As said here, ‘Zibai’ was trapped within the shell of Starry Sky. Now that 6.3 Lantern Rite quest is out, it was revealed that it's Zizhi who got imprisoned/trapped within the starry sky realm, because Zibai was long dead, only her three selves are remains.

which was outside the False Sky to be pulled down near the False Sky's borders when Columbina pulled the Moon close to the False Sky in the fight against Dottore.

That realm was Dottore's pocket dimension btw, not actually Teyvat.

I really don't think Asmoday's pocket dimension one (Temple of Space) doesn't actually host real stars, it's the same stars as the one in Teyvat where we see lots but they're all fake obviously.

Nothing says they're fake. Just because the one in Teyvat are fake doesn't mean her Temple of Space HAS to be fake too. That's just purely non-sequitur. Not to mentioned you said “it's the same stars”, and that's just your belief.

I'm not defending anything, just to clarify.

 

[MSahla]

Dottore never created that battle arena, it was already there from the beginning.

No it was not , he created that battle arena.

 

[Voidnether]

Not really, because she literally did the same feat in her Selenic Chronicles quest



No. That's not the context. Seems like you haven't read Spring of Hidden Jade.

As said here, ‘Zibai’ was trapped within the shell of Starry Sky. Now that 6.3 Lantern Rite quest is out, it was revealed that it's Zizhi who got imprisoned/trapped within the starry sky realm, because Zibai was long dead, only her three selves are remains.

That realm was Dottore's pocket dimension btw, not actually Teyvat.

Nothing says they're fake. Just because the one in Teyvat are fake doesn't mean her Temple of Space HAS to be fake too. That's just purely non-sequitur. Not to mentioned you said “it's the same stars”, and that's just your belief.

I'm not defending anything, just to clarify.

There are visual discrepancies just that you know, Columbina's "pocket dimension" in the fight against Dottore doesn't even change the floor nor if there are stars in there, there are only the 3 Moons yet we apparently see Columbina casually being able to create said pocket dimension without her having to worry about stabilizing it and whatnot.

The context of the starry sky there is mainly the reason why we even assumed the False Sky's scope is 4-A, because the shell of the starry sky is basically the eggshell yet at the same time the False Sky is shown to only govern Teyvat in Skirk's trailer and that Outlanders are capable of entering in and out of this False Sky.

I would like to see why it's Dottore's pocket dimension, when we were shown to literally ascend to the skies of Teyvat with Columbina even pulling down the Frost Moon to this "pocket dimension" which shouldn't even be possible UNLESS it's just Reality Warping.

Look, I don't want to make a claim the Temple of Space is fake but there are reasoning in the old 4-A thread that the stars shown and visualized in Imaginarium Theater is fake, it's your burden to prove why in this specific pocket dimension: They're actually real.

 

[Voidnether]

I think the biggest disqualifier here is simply Dottore's pocket dimension not even considered as one, because it's simply not really cause for one to be considered pocket dimensional it's have to be the same situation as Plane of Euthymia where that one is completely independent from Teyvat. Dottore's pocket dimension, however is dependent and it's still within Teyvat plus he teared open the False Sky in this "pocket dimension" which shows to be Dottore's mistake as Nicole, Varka and Arlecchino pulled down the Frost Moon. Notice how in 32 seconds we were shown that the False Sky looks so far away and that the ground was shaking, then there's a transition of us being in the skies of Teyvat with the False Sky being close to us that was ripped apart.

I think the full 55 seconds of this video should prove why it's not a pocket dimension, and it shouldn't be too for Columbina actually. I'll admit the stars shown beyond the False Sky (red boxes) teared open by Dottore is real stars as shown when we literally walked on the Moon itself but other than that, there's no reason to say the stars within pocket dimensions are real when the previous 4-A thread failing hinges on these pocket dimensional stars being fake and instead were just something as decoration as shown in Imaginarium Theater. But other than Dottore, the fact the floors were intact is probably the biggest disqualifier of it being Columbina's own pocket dimension yeah and instead it's just Reality Warping.

 

[MSahla]

There are visual discrepancies just that you know, Columbina's "pocket dimension" in the fight against Dottore doesn't even change the floor nor if there are stars in there,

Yes there is. You have to look closer.

The context of the starry sky there is mainly the reason why we even assumed the False Sky's scope is 4-A, because the shell of the starry sky is basically the eggshell

Should i mention something with you that sometimes this so-called “eggshell” is not necessarily referred to the false sky? Sometimes it does refer to the false sky, sometimes it isn't.

As said here in Aubade of the Morningstar and Moon:

The Lord of the World within the eggshell drew a false veil to shut out the true, bedeviled skies, Obscuring dread that once robbed kings of sleep, even those who held dominion over beasts.

If we consider this eggshell actually referred to the false sky, then.. Phanes created the false sky inside of the false sky? That doesn't make sense to think about.

I would rather consider this “eggshell” referred to the universe itself, rather than the false sky.

yet at the same time the False Sky is shown to only govern Teyvat in Skirk's trailer and that Outlanders are capable of entering in and out of this False Sky.

Or, should i mentioned you that there are layers of the firmaments?

I would like to see why it's Dottore's pocket dimension, when we were shown to literally ascend to the skies of Teyvat with Columbina even pulling down the Frost Moon to this "pocket dimension" which shouldn't even be possible UNLESS it's just Reality Warping.

This is why watching the Special Program is necessary.

Look, I don't want to make a claim the Temple of Space is fake but there are reasoning in the old 4-A thread that the stars shown and visualized in Imaginarium Theater is fake,

First of all, all dimensions we've been through containing false celestial bodies has their own reason why they're fake.

it's your burden to prove why in this specific pocket dimension: They're actually real.

Well, for me it's just simple. If the visuals clearly depict something as real within the scene, then the default position is to accept it at face value unless there’s explicit contradictory evidence. Well, this one is personal thinking.

I think the full 55 seconds of this video should prove why it's not a pocket dimension, and it shouldn't be too for Columbina actually.

Holy shit. Dottore's dimension fake = Columbina's too.

 

[Puppet43]

he created that battle arena.

Town size battle arena

Holy shit. Dottore's dimension fake = Columbina's too.

I mean, end of the day its the same source of powers

 

[MSahla]

I mean, end of the day its the same source of powers

Doesn't work like that my guy because it's not universal rule whatsoever. Same power source ≠ identical outcomes.

 

[Furina003]

If u gonna use Dottore as a base, remind u Dottore's domain can be seen from outside, they are barely city size

There are multiple of this trought all of Nod krai, so u giving more consistency of it not being near the size to hold an actual star

I don't understand why you're showing this; it doesn't even have anything to do with the battle arena shown.
1. I'm showing Dottore not as a measure, but as proof of Moon Gooddes' authority to create space.
2. Since Dottore can create space, Columbina can do the same, as their powers are essentially the same.

So, Columbina's feat is the creation of space

Dottore never created that battle arena, it was already there from the beginning.

keep assuming

 

[Puppet43]

Doesn't work like that my guy because it's not universal rule whatsoever. Same power source ≠ identical outcomes.

That what UES is for, like the whole point

but as proof of Moon Gooddes' authority to create space.
2. Since Dottore can create space, Columbina can do the same, as their powers are essentially the same.

Sure, i dont have anything against Space manipulation, but again if u wanna proof that those are real stars it wouldnt make sense for it to be town size

 

[MSahla]

That what UES is for, like the whole point

Neither does the UES.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

I suppose I can go with lephy here.

 

[MSahla]

I suppose I can go with lephy here.

I think we can close this, i'm not in the mood to continue it either.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I think we can close this, i'm not in the mood to continue it either.

To be noted, since it got rejected, you will not be able to use these arguments for up to 3 to 4 months