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There's a clear miscommunication here so I think the easiest way to handle this would be to ask Ant to clarify if the perms he gave were indefinite or not
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Rule Violation Reports (New forum)
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KingNanaya
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even if they were, he was asked prior to stop making comments
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post 66 here https://vsbattles.com/threads/tier-0-swirl-of-the-root-retake.170615/page-2
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Reporting @Tdjwo and @KingNanaya for stonewalling this thread for an entire page and an a half, even after being repeatedly told to stop by @IdiosyncraticLawyer and I.
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Tier 0 Swirl of the Root Retake
This is a false mistranslation. Nowhere in the raw scans does it even remotely imply that the Counter Force takes the shape of the Akashic records. @Wankbreaker I might be missing something, since I only looked at part of it and aren't familiar with the verse at all, but this passes the sniff...
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I will be as honest as I can, Tdjwo is consistently causing trouble in threads he doesn't agree with, derailing them, providing no insight into why he disagrees, I first noticed it here, where he openly admitted to derailing! He is now seen to be consistently in the rvt where he shows similar behavior, so I'll say that I believe a ban is needed here, we can't just let him keep going on with this behaviour.Reporting @Tdjwo and @KingNanaya for stonewalling this thread for an entire page and an a half, even after being repeatedly told to stop by @IdiosyncraticLawyer and I.
Tier 0 Swirl of the Root Retake
This is a false mistranslation. Nowhere in the raw scans does it even remotely imply that the Counter Force takes the shape of the Akashic records. @Wankbreaker I might be missing something, since I only looked at part of it and aren't familiar with the verse at all, but this passes the sniff...
As for Nanaya, I support a warning, whether informal or formal.
Tdjwo
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The thread you linked was indeed a derailing comment but that was intentional because it was a topic already discussed on multiple occasions already. In fact, almost everyone seemed to agree that the thread you made then was purely unnecessary at that time.
This particular case however, has nothing to do with me derailing. How is me reporting someone to an staff/admin a form of derail?
KingNanaya
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You mean like how you were told by @Deagonx to stop posting, and how you continued to do so over the course of 2 months? And when called out on this fact, you ignored the rules that stated that staff members can remove the permissions to comment, if they were given that permission by staff? Or how @IdiosyncraticLawyer threatened to get staff members to delete @Tdjwo comment that originally called this fact out? We called out your poor behavior. I can admit that on my side, I was being pretty antagonistic while doing so. I could have handled myself better.
I'd be fine with either one.
Tdjwo
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Btw, this is my very first comment that i made that apparently "constitute" as a rule violation. And this is the same person that had been complained about by a thread moderator previously
Tell me how i'm at fault here.
Tell me how i'm at fault here.
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Bureaucrats can give indefinite permission to comment. You were told this quite a few times. Plus:
I do not think that we have strict set rules regarding this issue, but it does not exactly seem to be an image helper or translation helper area of input, unless they have something genuinely important to share.
Image/Translation helpers can inherently comment on staff threads if deemed important. Tdjwo directly replied to some of my points. Trying to silence the opposition using underhanded methods is not a good idea. You don’t want to go that route.
Because you two were stonewalling the thread multiple times.
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Did you get permission to even comment on the first place? Also, Wankbreaker got permission by Antvasima to make a few posts at that time so I'd rather be on the side that Deagon overlooked that.
KingNanaya
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I'm aware. And I cited the rules to you.
Conflicts with what I was previously aware of, which was this:
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not what was happening at all.
You went that route.
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He got permission to comment, as long as the comments were constructive. I would hardly call stonewalling for over a page constructive.
KingNanaya received no such permission,however (which is ironic, given the situation.)
Tdjwo
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Which one? If you're referring to my post to Deagon, then yes, I was given perms by Antvasima
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I don’t wanna swing my position around, but a TL helper is hardly a “regular member”, don’t you think?
Lawyer told you to stop, and you repeated the same thing over and over.
In what scenario?
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All of you just chill out. Y'all are now cluttering the RVRT and it is not making any of you look better. Oh and btw, staff reports go to HR and that applies for helpers as well.
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It's kind of ironic, you were talking about wankbreaker not having permission to post in that thread yet you were posting 10x more than him. You were told by idio to stop commenting countless times yet you kept going, you didn't have permission to comment in that thread yet you commented, countless times, derailing the thread further with each comment.
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Translation Helpers do not, by default, have permission to post in staff-only threads.
Antvasima's permission to post did seem temporary, as he asked about which specific point was being made, and then said a few posts could be made about that. However, this wasn't the most obvious thing ever, so missing it was understandable.
An interested thread mod can overrule a disinterested bureaucrat's permission to post in a thread, imo. Here "interested" and "disinterested" refer to having direct involvement in the day-to-day posts of a thread.
From the start, Tdjwo and KingNanaya shouldn't have kept bickering about this in the thread. If you're reporting someone for violating a rule like that, I'm fine with gracing one or two posts about it, but after that you should wait for staff or go to the RVR.
I think Wankbreaker's permission to post there should be considered gone until another staff member provides it again. I think Tdjwo and Nanaya should get a light punishment, as they did repeatedly go against a staff member telling them to stop clogging up a staff only thread.
I'm gonna go clean up any superfluous posts from both of these threads.
Antvasima's permission to post did seem temporary, as he asked about which specific point was being made, and then said a few posts could be made about that. However, this wasn't the most obvious thing ever, so missing it was understandable.
An interested thread mod can overrule a disinterested bureaucrat's permission to post in a thread, imo. Here "interested" and "disinterested" refer to having direct involvement in the day-to-day posts of a thread.
From the start, Tdjwo and KingNanaya shouldn't have kept bickering about this in the thread. If you're reporting someone for violating a rule like that, I'm fine with gracing one or two posts about it, but after that you should wait for staff or go to the RVR.
I think Wankbreaker's permission to post there should be considered gone until another staff member provides it again. I think Tdjwo and Nanaya should get a light punishment, as they did repeatedly go against a staff member telling them to stop clogging up a staff only thread.
I'm gonna go clean up any superfluous posts from both of these threads.
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While that is the case, Ant said that these members are free to comment if it is important, I quoted the exact message above.
(A direct response to someone tackling a few major counterpoints I personally made seems important, imo.) but I’ll leave it at that.
This was on the first occasion I asked. I asked again after that, and there was no mention of a “few” posts.
KingNanaya
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Okay. I suppose that you can probably make some posts there then.
No, it was to Deagon. Tdjwo started off saying:
He only responded to Deagon, Not you.
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Some of the points he quoted weren’t from Deagon at all, but me.
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No more back-and-forth on that point, please. Someone responding to you doesn't give you permission to post in a staff only thread, otherwise you could easily get nigh-indefinite permission with no real oversight.
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^ here is what I was quoting.I do not think that we have strict set rules regarding this issue, but it does not exactly seem to be an image helper or translation helper area of input, unless they have something genuinely important to share.
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Ant said he wasn't certain of the rules in that area, luckily I am.
Our pages for Content Moderators, Thread Moderators, Calculation Group, and the like, mention in their Benefits section how such users get permission to post in staff-only threads.
You'll notice that Image Helpers and Translation Helpers lack that.
I'd also point out from the wording of Ant's comment, and the context it was said in, that it was likely about RVR posts specifically despite you asking a more general question, as he says "it does not exactly seem to be an image helper or translation helper area of input", which is not true for certain staff only threads, but is always true for the RVR.
Are you linking the wrong thing? Because that's exactly the instance I was talking about.
You ask for permission
Ant asks you which points you want to bring up
You vaguely allude to them
Ant says you can make some posts about them
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Alright, I’ll leave it at that then.
There was another instance where he specifically said “a few”, I thought you were referring to that.
Tdjwo
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Sorry. I was too busy to respond on time.
Idio wasn't helping the case at all because he refused to do something about the issue both KingNanaya and I complained about. Instead, he wrongly assumed Ant gave Wank infinite perms and blaming us instead, despite correcting him. All we both wanted was a staff member to deal with Wankbreaker's comments.
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Which is why I'm only suggesting a light punishment. You rightly noticed a staff member doing the wrong thing, but you didn't handle it in an appropriate way, such as:
- Bringing it to the RVR, since it ultimately involved an ordinary-ish user's rule violation being overlooked.
- Bringing it to HR, since it involved a staff member misapplying the rules.
- Bringing it to any staff member on their wall or in DMs.
- Waiting for another staff member present in the thread to wake up and check on things.
KingNanaya
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Last thing I'll say is that I've had 1 prior informal warning. I don't want this to drag out any longer, so I'd to receive my punishment sooner rather than later if I'm found deserving. I admit fault for my end of this ordeal. I'll try my best to handle the situation better next time.
Tdjwo
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You are right. But I think Wank should be punished as well because he clearly was in the wrong as well.
And I thought tagging a staff member on the thread was enough. I didn't think it was necessary enough to bring to RVT
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I think Wankbreaker's actions were more understandable. They had plausible (even if ultimately false) reasons to believe they had permission to post, and other than that, were defending themselves from allegations, yet even then, they eventually backed away from the topic, and so clogged the thread up less.
And I didn't say you needed to bring it to the RVT. Given that you told a staff member to have a look, you could've simply waited for them to respond, instead of going into that big back-and-forth. RVT was just one of four options I listed.
Anyway, for the actual amount of Tdjwo/Nanaya's bans, I'd like input from other staff members. I think Tdjwo has more of a history, especially recently, so maybe 3 days for him, and 1 day for Nanaya?
And I didn't say you needed to bring it to the RVT. Given that you told a staff member to have a look, you could've simply waited for them to respond, instead of going into that big back-and-forth. RVT was just one of four options I listed.
Anyway, for the actual amount of Tdjwo/Nanaya's bans, I'd like input from other staff members. I think Tdjwo has more of a history, especially recently, so maybe 3 days for him, and 1 day for Nanaya?
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I lack the time on hand to offer a lengthy post of my thoughts: I think Agnaa's stance is basically sensible. I'll sign off on a warning or light punishment for Tdjwo, hesitantly for Nanaya as well.
Tdjwo
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I'll accept my punishment. I just want staff members to accurately access issues instead of choosing to take a side. And Wankbreaker should be monitored more as well. This is the second time he's done something report-worthy and gotten away with it because for some reason.
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I also have the same thoughts as Agnaa. All this back and forth bickering that bombards the RVR is getting really annoying.
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I don’t think this came out correctly: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Yami_Sukehiro?oldid=8793989
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Nevermind, it was fixed
Rikimarox2
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Spam thread. Ban away.
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Child pornography troll link
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no idea what to even say
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@TOAAPRESENCE1 took the liberty of editing your post bec the embed showed the link to that place.
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TenSura LN Major Misleading Revision - Part 1
Can I get the full context behind this or from which volume it is? Volume 19 Slimereader, it's an independent part in and of itself. Rimuru disintegrates Michael's info particles and absorbs him[as a skill] while his consciousness is reduced to God. A very similar scan is this The heart core...
Well don't know whom he was refering. Is it to me or @Dog3352 or someone else. Because too many comments were piling up. But this is going extreme. Not to mention it's just derailing without giving any productive input.
