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[Lloydblitzed]

Lady Bone Demon vs Sosuke Aizen [7-2-0] (GRACE)

Lady Bone Demon vs Sosuke Aizen Rules: Speed Equalized Lady Bone Demon only has her base form, so no Mech or Samadhi Aizen can have all keys Fight takes place in a busy city Starting distance: 20m Lady Bone Demon: @Sdjlakjh, @Hellformer, @Lloydblitzed, @AigerTheKing, @TheOrangeGuy09...

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Bone Demon went through multiple revisions mid match and votes were never recounted, nor did the Aizen supporters even get to respond with new arguments when the revisions passed.

Aizen's supporters did respond mid match after Orange's revision. Nobody has any obligation to wait for supporters either when making a match

 

[Arcker123]

Aizen's supporters did respond mid match after Orange's revision. Nobody has any obligation to wait for supporters either when making a match

There were multiple Bleach supporters who were arguing previously who didn't respond. You appealing to debating one guy afterwards doesn't change that.

Previous votes can entirely be re evaluated and even disregarded based on new evidence and arguments (such as in the case of stomps). The fact that didn't happen here makes the whole thing un addable. Nothing here changes the fact the thread absolutely should've been remade, rather than added.

 

[Starter_Pack]

Lady Bone Demon vs Sosuke Aizen [7-2-0] (GRACE)

Lady Bone Demon vs Sosuke Aizen Rules: Speed Equalized Lady Bone Demon only has her base form, so no Mech or Samadhi Aizen can have all keys Fight takes place in a busy city Starting distance: 20m Lady Bone Demon: @Sdjlakjh, @Hellformer, @Lloydblitzed, @AigerTheKing, @TheOrangeGuy09...

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Bone Demon went through multiple revisions mid match and votes were never recounted, nor did the Aizen supporters even get to respond with new arguments when the revisions passed. The OP was told to redo the thread for these exact reasons, but didn't. The match should just be redone and this one should be removed for the time being.

I believe this makes sense, and I have removed this matchup from both profiles.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

For the record, I agree with removal.

Aizen's supporters did respond mid match after Orange's revision. Nobody has any obligation to wait for supporters either when making a match

This is correct, nor does anyone have to wait for anyone else. No user, not even Ant, has to be waited for to have a thread go on: no thread must wait for another's permission to finish, so long as it does otherwise fulfill the requirements to finish. In this case, that is 7 votes with a clear advantage over the other side of votes, and 48 hours grace period- that latter bit is there to give people time, if they don't show up then that's genuinely on them.

I agree with the removal because votes should be recounted once a profile goes through revisions. But to suggest that a user or group of users must give permission for a versus thread to conclude? Psychotic.

 

[Arcker123]

I never once make the claim that it should be removed in virtue of not responding. My claim is that the votes were based on old arguments that didn't apply, which is proven by a lack of response with new ones.

I don't understand how you can be confident enough call another user psychotic and get something this basic wrong.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I never once make the claim that it should be removed in virtue of not responding. My claim is that the votes were based on old arguments that didn't apply, which is proven by a lack of response with new ones.

I don't understand how you can be confident enough call another user psychotic and get something this basic wrong.

nor did the Aizen supporters even get to respond with new arguments when the revisions passed.

I suppose one might say this was just an irrelevant tidbit stated by you, but it was added as a matter of substance to the report. That said, while I consider this an argument made from madness, my post is to the royal you, not you in particular. It has been a consistent trend in this thread that people suggest this is the way that it is- that supporters must speak before a thread is concluded, when this simply isn't so.

 

[Kachon123]

It has been a consistent trend in this thread that people suggest this is the way that it is- that supporters must speak before a thread is concluded, when this simply isn't so.

While I agree with you that supporters don't need to speak before a thread is concluded, in the context of Arcker's report, newer arguments would have needed to have been brought up based on the revisions so that the recount of votes can take place, presumably by the supporters. The fact that this did not occur made it worth of note for Arcker when addressing the issue.

 

[Arkenis]

Isn't it more healthy for the thread if supporters did speak? Especially after new revisions were put in place?

 

[Arcker123]

The threads removed. Now we can do what shouldve happened, which is make a new thread. Nothing more needs to be done here.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Isn't it more healthy for the thread if supporters did speak? Especially after new revisions were put in place?

That which is preferred is not identical to that which is required.

While I agree with you that supporters don't need to speak before a thread is concluded, in the context of Arcker's report, newer arguments would have needed to have been brought up based on the revisions so that the recount of votes can take place, presumably by the supporters. The fact that this did not occur made it worth of note for Arcker when addressing the issue.

Not necessarily newer arguments- but old votes would have been invalidated, at least, yeah.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Majin Buu vs Nadakhan (10-2-1) (GRACE)

Djinn King Nadakhan vs Kid Buu Speed equalized Fight takes place in Corridor of Elders Both start 4km from each other Buu: @Detective_Blizzard, @Fezzih_007, @CBslayeR, @LuffyRuffy46307, @AwkguyDB, @TiltedFN, @Dragonite007, @MintyBoi1, @Killerdrone123, @Gilad_Hyperstar Nadakhan...

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Nadakhan actually has Extrasensory Perception on his profile which allows him to sense energy, so he would be immensely scared of Buu due to his KI SI, making this a stomp.

Sans vs Zen'ō

Might as well make a Sans match since everyone and their nans seems to be doing so... They start 5m apart, Speed equalized. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sans https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zen%27%C5%8D

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Kai (Ninjago) vs Zen'ō (Dragon Ball Super) [0-9-5] (GRACE ENDED)

Prime Kai fights Zen'ō Rules: Dragon Form Kai is used Speed is equalized Fight takes place in a empty city Both start at 2m from each other SBA for the rest Additional info: Kai scale to 15 x Low 1-C Kai: Zeno: @Killerdrone123 @UltimateMoment @TheGreatBanana @Ss3micah @RoninSlayer200...

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These two threads contradict each other. In the first one, the conclusion was that Zeno would erase Sans, but not his attacks. In the second one, the conclusion was that Zeno erases both Kai and his attacks. One of those matchups has to go.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Sans vs Zen'ō

Might as well make a Sans match since everyone and their nans seems to be doing so... They start 5m apart, Speed equalized. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sans https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zen%27%C5%8D

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Kai (Ninjago) vs Zen'ō (Dragon Ball Super) [0-9-5] (GRACE ENDED)

Prime Kai fights Zen'ō Rules: Dragon Form Kai is used Speed is equalized Fight takes place in a empty city Both start at 2m from each other SBA for the rest Additional info: Kai scale to 15 x Low 1-C Kai: Zeno: @Killerdrone123 @UltimateMoment @TheGreatBanana @Ss3micah @RoninSlayer200...

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These two threads contradict each other. In the first one, the conclusion was that Zeno would erase Sans, but not his attacks. In the second one, the conclusion was that Zeno erases both Kai and his attacks. One of those matchups has to go.

Zeno's side also assume Zeno can erase Kai's attack after it has been shot by closing his hand, while their supporting scan show it simply erase the opponent along with their blast while still charging up and not shot yet at all

 

[Fezzih_007]

These two threads contradict each other. In the first one, the conclusion was that Zeno would erase Sans, but not his attacks. In the second one, the conclusion was that Zeno erases both Kai and his attacks. One of those matchups has to go.

Since Sans attacks can come from the ground, he could hit from a unespect place and Zeno would't be able to target the bones to erase. Is different for Kai.

Trought, I think both of this match should be removed because they are cringe

 

[ChoursDropoff]

Majin Buu vs Nadakhan (10-2-1) (GRACE)

Djinn King Nadakhan vs Kid Buu Speed equalized Fight takes place in Corridor of Elders Both start 4km from each other Buu: @Detective_Blizzard, @Fezzih_007, @CBslayeR, @LuffyRuffy46307, @AwkguyDB, @TiltedFN, @Dragonite007, @MintyBoi1, @Killerdrone123, @Gilad_Hyperstar Nadakhan...

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Nadakhan actually has Extrasensory Perception on his profile which allows him to sense energy, so he would be immensely scared of Buu due to his KI SI, making this a stomp.

Sans vs Zen'ō

Might as well make a Sans match since everyone and their nans seems to be doing so... They start 5m apart, Speed equalized. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sans https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zen%27%C5%8D

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Kai (Ninjago) vs Zen'ō (Dragon Ball Super) [0-9-5] (GRACE ENDED)

Prime Kai fights Zen'ō Rules: Dragon Form Kai is used Speed is equalized Fight takes place in a empty city Both start at 2m from each other SBA for the rest Additional info: Kai scale to 15 x Low 1-C Kai: Zeno: @Killerdrone123 @UltimateMoment @TheGreatBanana @Ss3micah @RoninSlayer200...

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These two threads contradict each other. In the first one, the conclusion was that Zeno would erase Sans, but not his attacks. In the second one, the conclusion was that Zeno erases both Kai and his attacks. One of those matchups has to go.

Sans attacks can definitely be erased none of them are fundamental so they can all be interacted with. And in that case Zenos first move is History EE. It’s a stomp then it should be removed.

Kai can stay both had win-cons

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Sans attacks can definitely be erased none of them are fundamental so they can all be interacted with. And in that case Zenos first move is History EE. It’s a stomp then it should be removed.

Kai can stay both had win-cons

Kai has zero wincons, his attacks get erased along w/ him.

Since Sans attacks can come from the ground, he could hit from a unespect place and Zeno would't be able to target the bones to erase. Is different for Kai.

If Sans does this before he gets EE'd, his bones get erased as well. Sans cannot do this after he gets EE'd. lol

(Why everybody ignores Nadakhan part)

 

[ChoursDropoff]

kai still had a massive AP advantage he still had a wincon Zeno just had better one’s

Kai has zero wincons, his attacks get erased along w/ him.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

kai still had a massive AP advantage he still had a wincon Zeno just had better one’s

Both Sans and Kai could one-shot Zeno (one via hax, another via AP advantage)
The problem is, in Sans' case it is Incon because it was decided that Zeno would not erase Sans' attacks, and in Kai's case it was decided that Zeno would erase Kai's attacks...

 

[Fezzih_007]

If Sans does this before he gets EE'd, his bones get erased as well.

In this scenario, Sans bone would hit Zeno before he he gets EE, and kill him too.
Sans bones come from the ground and hit Zeno, while in the same vein, he gets EE, but the effects of the Soul demage would still be up.

Trought, i guess since Sans died, the effects would go away due to Zeno EE affecting time, so you be like It never happened, and undo.

(Why everybody ignores Nadakhan part)

I don't want to rebuke that

 

[ChoursDropoff]

Both Sans and Kai could one-shot Zeno (one via hax, another via AP advantage)
The problem is, in Sans' case it is Incon because it was decided that Zeno would not erase Sans' attacks, and in Kai's case it was decided that Zeno would erase Kai's attacks...

Well then the sans match is just wrong. His attacks aren’t fundamental so they can be erased. And EE doesn’t nuke stats out of existence.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Well then the sans match is just wrong. His attacks aren’t fundamental so they can be erased. And EE doesn’t nuke stats out of existence.

It was argued that Zeno can EE Kai without charging a blast even tho Kai could shoot a fire blast because "his blast needs to travel" using this as proof. The thing is: Frost never shot his projectile which means the argument wasn't applicable to Kai's case

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Well then the sans match is just wrong. His attacks aren’t fundamental so they can be erased. And EE doesn’t nuke stats out of existence.

Here's a drawing of what I mean

 

[Fezzih_007]

, while their supporting scan show it simply erase the opponent along with their blast while still charging up and not shot yet at all

Pretty sure this Scan is to show how fast It is trought.

Like, he can still erase two targets at the same time.

 

[ShionAH]

Saitama profile has a lot of weird ahh losses. So I'll say which ones are just in bad faith or wrong

• Ogre (The God of High School) Ogre's profile (4-A versions were used, Post-Balding Saitama was used and was bloodlusted)

This fight was still being debated then got FRA trained, should probably be remade. It seems like it was also using a wrong argument for Saitamas growth.

• Two (Battle for Dream Island) Two's Profile (Current Timeline Saitama and 4-A Two were used. Speed was equalized)

The comments somehow assumed that Two having a stronger LS meant he could somehow get past Saitama's resistance? Thats not how Resistances work.

• Senku Ishigami (Dr. Stone) Senku's Profile (Pre-Training Saitama was used, and Dr. Stone had 2 hours of preparation)

Literally no one even actually argued for Saitama until they got 7 votes, it feels bad faithed at the very least (also the weakest version of a character vs strongest version with prep is just not fair lol)

• Kafka (Honkai: Star Rail) Kafka's Profile (Speed was equalized, 3-C Parallel Timeline Saitama was used and Saitama started Serious)

Its literally agreed to be a stomp in the thread, who tf added this

• Gwen Tennyson (Ben 10) Gwen's profile (Speed was equalized, Parallel Timeline and Anodite Form keys were used and Saitama was bloodlusted)

So this is insane, someone says Gwen can use Sleep Hax, someone replies that Saitama resists it then Gwen gets 9 votes in the first page. What the hell?

• The Hunter (Carnivores) (Carnivores (Verse)) The Hunter's Profile (First Key Hunter and Pre-Training Saitama were used, Speed was Equalized, Optional equipment was restricted for both, starting distance was 20 meters and out of sight, and the battle took place in a supermarket)

Again with this, Hunter literally one shots with his gun but somehow it is fair and then there is 7 votes and its over. What the heck?

• Son Goku (Dragon Ball) Son Goku's Profile (Post-Chōshinsui Goku and During Training Saitama were used. Saitama was High 6-A)

So Lephy took his vote back after seeing Saitama's Willpower even implying he thinks its a GG for Goku, which means the debate could continue hell Saitama could likely have won. But nope they just voted and ended it.

All of these matchups are just weird asf and either should be remade or removed completely

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Saitama profile has a lot of weird ahh losses. So I'll say which ones are just in bad faith or wrong

• Ogre (The God of High School) Ogre's profile (4-A versions were used, Post-Balding Saitama was used and was bloodlusted)

This fight was still being debated then got FRA trained, should probably be remade. It seems like it was also using a wrong argument for Saitamas growth.

• Two (Battle for Dream Island) Two's Profile (Current Timeline Saitama and 4-A Two were used. Speed was equalized)

The comments somehow assumed that Two having a stronger LS meant he could somehow get past Saitama's resistance? Thats not how Resistances work.

• Senku Ishigami (Dr. Stone) Senku's Profile (Pre-Training Saitama was used, and Dr. Stone had 2 hours of preparation)

Literally no one even actually argued for Saitama until they got 7 votes, it feels bad faithed at the very least (also the weakest version of a character vs strongest version with prep is just not fair lol)

• Kafka (Honkai: Star Rail) Kafka's Profile (Speed was equalized, 3-C Parallel Timeline Saitama was used and Saitama started Serious)

Its literally agreed to be a stomp in the thread, who tf added this

• Gwen Tennyson (Ben 10) Gwen's profile (Speed was equalized, Parallel Timeline and Anodite Form keys were used and Saitama was bloodlusted)

So this is insane, someone says Gwen can use Sleep Hax, someone replies that Saitama resists it then Gwen gets 9 votes in the first page. What the hell?

• The Hunter (Carnivores) (Carnivores (Verse)) The Hunter's Profile (First Key Hunter and Pre-Training Saitama were used, Speed was Equalized, Optional equipment was restricted for both, starting distance was 20 meters and out of sight, and the battle took place in a supermarket)

Again with this, Hunter literally one shots with his gun but somehow it is fair and then there is 7 votes and its over. What the heck?

• Son Goku (Dragon Ball) Son Goku's Profile (Post-Chōshinsui Goku and During Training Saitama were used. Saitama was High 6-A)

So Lephy took his vote back after seeing Saitama's Willpower even implying he thinks its a GG for Goku, which means the debate could continue hell Saitama could likely have won. But nope they just voted and ended it.

All of these matchups are just weird asf and either should be remade or removed completely

I'm neutral on most of these, but I do agree that the one with Kafka was some bull. We literally said it was a stomp

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Majin Buu vs Nadakhan (10-2-1) (GRACE)

Djinn King Nadakhan vs Kid Buu Speed equalized Fight takes place in Corridor of Elders Both start 4km from each other Buu: @Detective_Blizzard, @Fezzih_007, @CBslayeR, @LuffyRuffy46307, @AwkguyDB, @TiltedFN, @Dragonite007, @MintyBoi1, @Killerdrone123, @Gilad_Hyperstar Nadakhan...

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Nadakhan actually has Extrasensory Perception on his profile which allows him to sense energy, so he would be immensely scared of Buu due to his KI SI, making this a stomp.

Sans vs Zen'ō

Might as well make a Sans match since everyone and their nans seems to be doing so... They start 5m apart, Speed equalized. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sans https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zen%27%C5%8D

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Kai (Ninjago) vs Zen'ō (Dragon Ball Super) [0-9-5] (GRACE ENDED)

Prime Kai fights Zen'ō Rules: Dragon Form Kai is used Speed is equalized Fight takes place in a empty city Both start at 2m from each other SBA for the rest Additional info: Kai scale to 15 x Low 1-C Kai: Zeno: @Killerdrone123 @UltimateMoment @TheGreatBanana @Ss3micah @RoninSlayer200...

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These two threads contradict each other. In the first one, the conclusion was that Zeno would erase Sans, but not his attacks. In the second one, the conclusion was that Zeno erases both Kai and his attacks. One of those matchups has to go.

Bump

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Saitama profile has a lot of weird ahh losses. So I'll say which ones are just in bad faith or wrong

• Ogre (The God of High School) Ogre's profile (4-A versions were used, Post-Balding Saitama was used and was bloodlusted)

This fight was still being debated then got FRA trained, should probably be remade. It seems like it was also using a wrong argument for Saitamas growth.

• Two (Battle for Dream Island) Two's Profile (Current Timeline Saitama and 4-A Two were used. Speed was equalized)

The comments somehow assumed that Two having a stronger LS meant he could somehow get past Saitama's resistance? Thats not how Resistances work.

• Senku Ishigami (Dr. Stone) Senku's Profile (Pre-Training Saitama was used, and Dr. Stone had 2 hours of preparation)

Literally no one even actually argued for Saitama until they got 7 votes, it feels bad faithed at the very least (also the weakest version of a character vs strongest version with prep is just not fair lol)

• Kafka (Honkai: Star Rail) Kafka's Profile (Speed was equalized, 3-C Parallel Timeline Saitama was used and Saitama started Serious)

Its literally agreed to be a stomp in the thread, who tf added this

• Gwen Tennyson (Ben 10) Gwen's profile (Speed was equalized, Parallel Timeline and Anodite Form keys were used and Saitama was bloodlusted)

So this is insane, someone says Gwen can use Sleep Hax, someone replies that Saitama resists it then Gwen gets 9 votes in the first page. What the hell?

• The Hunter (Carnivores) (Carnivores (Verse)) The Hunter's Profile (First Key Hunter and Pre-Training Saitama were used, Speed was Equalized, Optional equipment was restricted for both, starting distance was 20 meters and out of sight, and the battle took place in a supermarket)

Again with this, Hunter literally one shots with his gun but somehow it is fair and then there is 7 votes and its over. What the heck?

• Son Goku (Dragon Ball) Son Goku's Profile (Post-Chōshinsui Goku and During Training Saitama were used. Saitama was High 6-A)

So Lephy took his vote back after seeing Saitama's Willpower even implying he thinks its a GG for Goku, which means the debate could continue hell Saitama could likely have won. But nope they just voted and ended it.

All of these matchups are just weird asf and either should be remade or removed completely

Of these, Ogre, Goku, and Senku seem appropriate to remain. Gwen and Two appear genuinely based on misinformation, and Kafka and the Hunter appear genuinely unfair.

 

[ShionAH]

Ogre

People assumed Saitama needed bloodlust for AD which is wrong now I think

Goku

The thread assumes Saitama lacks Willpower.

 

[Kachon123]

People assumed Saitama needed bloodlust for AD which is wrong now I think

The thread assumes Saitama lacks Willpower.

Both of these are misinformation, just like the arguments used in the matches against Two and Gwen.

 

[Psychomaster35]

The comments somehow assumed that Two having a stronger LS meant he could somehow get past Saitama's resistance? Thats not how Resistances work.

Except Saitama actually needs proof he can resist such telekinetic strength up to Two's. It literally functions the same way as to how we handle traditional lifting strength. Even disregarding the telekinesis, their other wincon was BFRing Saitama.

 

[ShionAH]

Having a resistance to TK is not the same as overpowering it with LS, having a resistance means it simply doesnt affect you

 

[StrymULTRA]

Having a resistance to TK is not the same as overpowering it with LS, having a resistance means it simply doesnt affect you

So you argue that resisting a 500 °C fire means also no seeling a 1 trillion °C fire?

 

[ShionAH]

Irrelevant, Saitama resists TK which means he resists TK. Thats what the profile says, change it if you'd like

 

[Robo432343]

Irrelevant, Saitama resists TK which means he resists TK. Thats what the profile says, change it if you'd like

 

[StrymULTRA]

Irrelevant, Saitama resists TK which means he resists TK. Thats what the profile says, change it if you'd like

Is this some salt because of Sans' TK not bypassing LS

Ngl man, stuff needs feats, it's a NLF to argue otherwise.

You can't unironically say that peeps like Silver the Hedgehog (who has Immeasurable TK mind you) won't be able to use it on Saitama, that's insane.

 

[Lort15]

Hello could anyone unlock Ben tennyson's profile, the last match added in Ben's profile was a stomp in Hal's favor it shouldn't be on the profile everyone who voted for Hal was based on Chariot's opinion and Chariot admits that he thinks this match was a stomp also i have to change some scans to imgurs in his profile which are yt links i'm a bit busy in these days so i can't continue to my changes for now

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

• Son Goku (Dragon Ball) Son Goku's Profile (Post-Chōshinsui Goku and During Training Saitama were used. Saitama was High 6-A)

So Lephy took his vote back after seeing Saitama's Willpower even implying he thinks its a GG for Goku, which means the debate could continue hell Saitama could likely have won. But nope they just voted and ended it.

"I'll keep my vote"
Hello?

Edit: The GG comment is strictly for if it's accepted that the ability is scaled like that, it's "GG" because doesn't matter if I disagree. Please do not ever speak for me nor assume my intentions. Always ask me to clarify my positions in the future. Thank you.

 

[ShionAH]

The GG comment is strictly for if it's accepted that the ability is scaled like that, it's "GG" because doesn't matter if I disagree.

You straight up say "That is not on Saitama's profile, if it is then GG" how else would I take that? Either way it should be remade or removed since no one actually used or argued for Willpower which is a important asset to Saitama.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

You straight up say "That is not on Saitama's profile, if it is then GG"

"I personally don't agree with scaling feats like that, but if accepted, GG"

 

[ShionAH]

"I personally don't agree with scaling feats like that, but if accepted, GG"

Yes, and it is accepted. Which makes the match non-viable.

 

[SlendVeny]

Irrelevant, Saitama resists TK which means he resists TK. Thats what the profile says, change it if you'd like

Resistance ain't immunity. If some random-ass A-class resists Gearsper's TK, is he immune to Tatsumaki's TK?