Final Fantasy 16 discussion thread

[Cyberblader90]

does anyone have the Japanese Version for the Omega bestiary scan:
https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/1166622374813237288/1292384733078093877/uzrzkbn.png?ex=67038a93&is=67023913&hm=fd81d1ca3083356f4ad9cfad370e16a0d3f2de69b935ef29f8071e2dad11861b&

 

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does anyone have the Japanese Version for the Omega bestiary scan:
https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/1166622374813237288/1292384733078093877/uzrzkbn.png?ex=67038a93&is=67023913&hm=fd81d1ca3083356f4ad9cfad370e16a0d3f2de69b935ef29f8071e2dad11861b&

Shouldn't the English script take priority since it was done first?

 

[Dalesean027]

Gonna do more extensive updates to my sandboxes later, but I've added the justification for Low 2-C Ultima:

Universe level+ (Created the Interdimensional Rift, a space between worlds that exists beyond time and space[5] that contains it's own cosmos[8])

Looking good

does anyone have the Japanese Version for the Omega bestiary scan:
https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/1166622374813237288/1292384733078093877/uzrzkbn.png?ex=67038a93&is=67023913&hm=fd81d1ca3083356f4ad9cfad370e16a0d3f2de69b935ef29f8071e2dad11861b&

We do but if the game is made from the ground up this time specifcally for the english audience primarily I feel that should take priority but regardless if you're wanting the raws they say something different they don't really feature statements of strength for most things that we get in the english version of the game and unfortunately Omega falls victim to that as well.

My assumption is that its like the Breath of the Wild/Tears of the kingdom thing where in the japanese versions every item and journal is written from Link's perspective while english is not and is more difect and matter of fact about its entries. Its kinda similar with this

 

[Dalesean027]

Western translations should likely take priority or be equally as valid bare minimum here since that's squares main audience for this release and was specifically the central point of its development.



Very big focus on being developed for our audiences rather than Japan's



There's like dozens of interviews and articles about thst specifically so here's a couple

'Final Fantasy 16' interview reveals a controversial change for the series

'Final Fantasy 16' seems to be focused on its western audience first and foremost, highlighting a trend Square Enix and Sony are following.

www.inverse.com

Final Fantasy 16 producer Naoki Yoshida made Game of Thrones mandatory

Final Fantasy 16 producer Naoki Yoshida said during the RPG’s latest previews that Game of Thrones was a big inspiration – and it turns out the

ftw.usatoday.com

There was another statement that came from one of the live showcases befofe the games release as well where this is said again as well but regardless here is this statement too

"It doesn’t go as overboard as Stranger of Paradise Final Fantasy Origin does with its main character wearing a regular t-shirt. Still, the next mainline entry will deliver a world that feels a lot more like the Westeros from Game of Thrones than it does Ivalice from Final Fantasy XII.

This is part of a larger industry trend in focusing on the North American market over Japan"

We explicitly know English version took priority and that the game was made from ground up with this in mind

 

[Cyberblader90]

Oh I'm not contesting anything, just wanted to know if anyone had the Japanese version of that specific scan

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Lmao Cyber asked for the JP scan and got jumped for no reason. Yall need to chill out a bit assuming intent and allat, like instead of assuming Cyber meant JP > English and getting all defensive, just show him where to get the scans lol

 

[Dalesean027]

Lmao Cyber asked for the JP scan and got jumped for no reason. Yall need to chill out a bit assuming intent and allat, like instead of assuming Cyber meant JP > English and getting all defensive, just show him where to get the scans lol

Not really an attack at least I wouldn't say that since no one really said anything negative to the man in any capacity after all. Assuming intent now you're right there since we already went through that same song and dance over like 3 pages of back and forth before so it was moreso answering what he wanted to know pre-emptively

We did tell him we have JP scans posted here after all and all we really said is that its not the same description and explained why so no real need to make this some negative thing and a bigger deal than what it is

Apologies since it clearly upset yall tho

anyways all of that aside lol here's the scan

 

[Cyberblader90]

Curious, it's there any Active Time Lore or bestiary statement in the Rising Tide about Leviathan? Moreso about its pocket dimension that seems to have a sun

 

[sageof8paths]

Curious, it's there any Active Time Lore or bestiary statement in the Rising Tide about Leviathan? Moreso about its pocket dimension that seems to have a sun

Good eye, this could be used as a tier for the stronger eikons

 

[Dalesean027]

Curious, it's there any Active Time Lore or bestiary statement in the Rising Tide about Leviathan? Moreso about its pocket dimension that seems to have a sun

I'd have to reinstall and play to see

 

[sageof8paths]

Been peeping the active timelore and there’s some shit we missed.

Titan can “shake the earth” apparently, and leviathan created a pocket dimension in which there is a star inside. I’ll make a post under this going in depth, possible star level for all eikon’s depending on how you lot take this information.

 

[Dalesean027]

Been peeping the active timelore and there’s some shit we missed.

Titan can “shake the earth” apparently, and leviathan created a pocket dimension in which there is a star inside. I’ll make a post under this going in depth, possible star level for all eikon’s depending on how you lot take this information.

Got the screenshots?

 

[Dust_Collector]

Yeah the thing about titan being able to "shake the earth" is not really useful given how non-specific it is? He's the defacto earthbender in the world so like is it just his ability to control the earth, is the FF16 planet also called earth and he can shake the entire planet?

Levithan being stated to create a pocket dimension would be kinda based (I just thought he teleported himself and Ifrit to a random, relatively shallow, part of the ocean). Forgot to go through the active time lore for the DLC myself and can't really check now given I uh, accidently sold my copy a few months ago when I accidently put it into a bag with the other games I was selling lol, so the screenshot for the big fish making that dimension would be nice upgrade.

 

[sageof8paths]

Here are the screenshots

Couldn’t find the active timeline screenshots for leviathan cuz I never bought the dlc but there are two statements on the final fantasy wiki that say he created it and it’s from his power



He takes u into his sea vortex then summons a bright light and takes u into it, then you’re in the dimension.

Seeing as how the dimension crumbles when u beat him, makes sense.

It has a different time zone and everything

Yeah the thing about titan being able to "shake the earth" is not really useful given how non-specific it is? He's the defacto earthbender in the world so like is it just his ability to control the earth, is the FF16 planet also called earth and he can shake the entire planet?

Levithan being stated to create a pocket dimension would be kinda based (I just thought he teleported himself and Ifrit to a random, relatively shallow, part of the ocean). Forgot to go through the active time lore for the DLC myself and can't really check now given I uh, accidently sold my copy a few months ago when I accidently put it into a bag with the other games I was selling lol, so the screenshot for the big fish making that dimension would be nice upgrade.

I had a really good argument for why base titan would be high 6A off that statement but then I realized the planet is never once called earth your right.

I guess every eikon is star level lmao

Ftl too seeing as titan thought he could have a prolonged fight with bahamut that would destroy the country they were on

 

[Dust_Collector]

Huh, I thought the screenshots you had were of, like, the active time lore saying Levithian made that realm not the FF Wiki. I don't doubt it being a pocket dimension but per the wiki rules without anything super concrete the best we can say is he pulled himself and Ifrit into a pre existing dimension instead of making it.

I can see a possibly rating due to stuff like it collapsing when Levithian takes enough damage but I don't think it'd be enough for a full on 4-C rating.

 

[sageof8paths]

I’m sure there’s a concrete statement about it in game so I guess we’ll have to wait till dalsean redownloads the game

 

[sageof8paths]

Also what about the ultima black hole stuff? What requirements does it need to be accepted?

 

[Dalesean027]

I looked and I don't see anything on any of the thousand tomes about Leviathan creating a dimension

 

[sageof8paths]

I looked and I don't see anything on any of the thousand tomes about Leviathan creating a dimension

And the dimension collapsing isn’t enough for the 4C?

 

[Dalesean027]

eh idk I feel like we'd need a bit more in this case but like I get what you mean for the actual space you fight him but we don't have enough to say the star was legit for that one or at least that the space was actually that large either unlike Ultima's which has statements for such things

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

If the dimension is called Leviathan’s dimension or stated to be Leviathan’s if we have precedence for Eikons creating their dimension, then we can logically infer that Leviathan created their’s tbh. We don’t need explicit statements to conclude things

 

[Dalesean027]

If the dimension is called Leviathan’s dimension or stated to be Leviathan’s if we have precedence for Eikons creating their dimension, then we can logically infer that Leviathan created their’s tbh. We don’t need explicit statements to conclude things

as I said there is quite literally nothing in the thousand tomes that says anything about that part of the fight , I mean we ourselves can obvious say it was another dimension and I myself agree that it is. I'm just speaking on the actual part of him saying the active time lore says its a pocket dimension when I'm not seeing anything stated for another dimension at all

Been peeping the active timelore and there’s some shit we missed.

Titan can “shake the earth” apparently, and leviathan created a pocket dimension in which there is a star inside. I’ll make a post under this going in depth, possible star level for all eikon’s depending on how you lot take this information.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

as I said there is quite literally nothing in the thousand tomes that says anything about that part of the fight , I mean we ourselves can obvious say it was another dimension and I myself agree that it is. I'm just speaking on the actual part of him saying the active time lore says its a pocket dimension when I'm not seeing anything stated for another dimension at all

Yeah I didn’t contest that the tomes don’t explicitly assert so… and I know what you’re saying bubba I know you’re answering the dudes question about if it existed in the tomes. I was speaking broadly (not at you) that if people are wondering if Leviathan should scale, they should look for more than just direct statements. Like I believe you when you say you didn’t find any direct statements.

 

[Dalesean027]

Yeah I didn’t contest that the tomes don’t explicitly assert so… and I know what you’re saying bubba I know you’re answering the dudes question about if it existed in the tomes. I was speaking broadly (not at you) that if people are wondering if Leviathan should scale, they should look for more than just direct statements. Like I believe you when you say you didn’t find any direct statements.

oh alrighty lol my bad my bad I misunderstood and thought you were speaking to me on that

but yeah I do agree with what ya said

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

From memory I know Ultima can create his own dimension, idr if we get confirmation any other Eikon can, but generally in fiction someone’s dimension was normally created by them. And I wouldn’t be surprised if Leviathan did, given that DLC is explicitly a microcosm and miniature parallel to the main story, so the main boss of that DLC doing a “mini Ultima” feat isn’t crazy. Whether or not that’s a super strong position to hold is I guess debatable and would require a deeper delve.

 

[sageof8paths]

If the dimension is called Leviathan’s dimension or stated to be Leviathan’s if we have precedence for Eikons creating their dimension, then we can logically infer that Leviathan created their’s tbh. We don’t need explicit statements to conclude things

Ifrit has his own inner world and so does ultima. Leviathan is specifically stated to be a seed of ultima’s. These beings can materialize their inner worlds. Ultima’s stars are legit, why would leviathans be fake?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Ifrit has his own inner world and so does ultima. Leviathan is specifically stated to be a seed of ultima’s. These beings can materialize their inner worlds. Ultima’s stars are legit, why would leviathans be fake?

That direct link to Ultima is pretty good

 

[Dust_Collector]

Ifrit has his own inner world and so does ultima. Leviathan is specifically stated to be a seed of ultima’s. These beings can materialize their inner worlds. Ultima’s stars are legit, why would leviathans be fake?

Ifrits inner world is pretty much just Ultima messing with Clives mind (And if it is an actual dimension, which isn't outta the question given that Ultima made his from his mind, then it'd still only apply to Ultima since he's the one setting it all up for Clive to accept he's Ifrit, Ifrit wasn't do all that on it's own accord. Leviathan being a seed of Ultima doesn't mean much (And also technically all Eikons are seeds of Ultima given they're fragments of his power) since... all it means is he came from Ultima. Doesn't mean he shares traits like being able to create dimensions just by virtue of being his seed or having a link to him.

I also decided to rewatch the Leviathan fight and tbh I don't really see the pocket dimension collapsing anyway, all that happens is that Leviathan roars and then there's a flash of light and suddenly we're back at the inital area the fight started in. I don't think there's really a whole lot here for solid tier 4 stuff.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Bumpga!

 

[Cyberblader90]

Is there a Clive profile

 

[Dalesean027]

Is there a Clive profile

nope

also bumpobo

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Any of yall have good art of “evil” limit break Clive, with the white hair and whatnot?

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Omega Bump...

 

[Dalesean027]

Any of yall have good art of “evil” limit break Clive, with the white hair and whatnot?

Nah that I can't find around

 

[sageof8paths]

Omega Bump...

Really all we need to is finish profiles and launch the verse, all scaling and calcs have been more less concluded.

 

[Dalesean027]

This is officially everything we have as of now for profiles

Characters and Abilities:
Magik and Dominants:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Dust_Collector/Sandbox6
Dion/Bahamut

Dust Collector/Sandbox8

vsbattles.fandom.com

Ultima

Dust Collector/Sandbox9

vsbattles.fandom.com

Barnabas

Barnabas Tharmr

vsbattles.fandom.com

Calculations:

Benedikta Tornado Energy

vsbattles.fandom.com

Eikon Height's Final fantasy 16

vsbattles.fandom.com

Final Fantasy 16 calc compilation 1 (Eikonic feats vol 1)

vsbattles.fandom.com

Final Fantasy 16 calc compilation 2

vsbattles.fandom.com

Final Fantasy 16 calc compilation 3

vsbattles.fandom.com

Ifrit evaporates Leviathan's Tsumani (FF16)

vsbattles.fandom.com

Phoenix Saves Ifrit from Bahamut's Light (FFXVI)

vsbattles.fandom.com

Final Fantasy XVI Ultima's Storm Recalc

vsbattles.fandom.com

bumping all this for profiles

 

[ArkhamDC06]

bumping all this for profiles

I also have unfinished sandboxes for Leviathan, Shiva and Titan but I've been moving away from FFXVI and was focused on some other stuff, I'll have to finish them one day lol

 

[TartaChocholate]

Profiles are looking pretty sharp

 

[Dust_Collector]

I've got time off next week so I plan on kicking into gear to finish up the Ultima and Dion profiles, was gonna do it this weekend but I got the flu (And only 1 week after I got the jab for it, just my luck lol)

 

[TartaChocholate]

Is Clive's profile in the works?