Final Fantasy 16 discussion thread

[Dalesean027]

Ifrit evaporates Leviathan's Tsumani (FF16)

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[sageof8paths]

Here, skip to 6:15 This should at least be Relativistic-FTL speeds

Joshua reacts to light again Here, skip to 10:10

Then lastly, lightning being frozen when using odin’s power

 

[sageof8paths]

Any luck with the calcs?

 

[Dalesean027]

Then lastly, lightning being frozen when using odin’s power

the second one is no good due to the angle but the first could get maybe Sub Rel or low Rel results.

Then lastly, lightning being frozen when using odin’s power

I'll need a clip of this

 

[sageof8paths]

the second one is no good due to the angle but the first could get maybe Sub Rel or low Rel results.

I'll need a clip of this

I’ll try and find one today

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Refresh my memory is there a sandbox for Clive yet? (I know there's ones for Dion, Barnabas, Ultima and Dominant abilities).

Plus there's some L2-C MUs I'm sure will be fun to debate.

 

[Smiles98]

What’s the verdict on Omega’s feat? In the failed dps check, is he just deleting his pocket dimension or the whole universe? If it’s the former, how big is the dimension?

 

[Dalesean027]

What’s the verdict on Omega’s feat? In the failed dps check, is he just deleting his pocket dimension or the whole universe? If it’s the former, how big is the dimension?

Destroys the universe, regardless tho ultimas stuff as well shouls be low 2-C endgame

 

[Smiles98]

Destroys the universe, regardless tho ultimas stuff as well shouls be low 2-C endgame

Why do you say the universe rather than just his dimension? Not doubting you, it just seems ambiguous to me

 

[Dalesean027]

Why do you say the universe rather than just his dimension? Not doubting you, it just seems ambiguous to me

Finished the DLC myself finally and yeah aside from the dimensional compression statement Joshua does say he is contricted all of creation and not defeating him in time does show everything reduced the a black void.

So its a solid 3-A to low 2-C feat and we're told Omega was humanities forebrearer's attempt to reach god that being Ultima in an attempt to try and defeat him however they failed to do so, we also get some other interesting statements about Clive's power surpassing theirs so along with the dimension rift statement it seems very likely and consistent Ultima and Endgame Clive are low 2-C

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Phoenix Down!!!

 

[Dalesean027]

I've gotta calc the joshua one but I do have the scans, should be somewhat Relativistic

 

[Hypertornado099]

I've gotta calc the joshua one but I do have the scans, should be somewhat Relativistic

What feat

 

[Dalesean027]

What feat

Pushes clive out of the way of one of Bahamut's light beams from point blank

 

[Dalesean027]

Phoenix Saves Ifrit from Bahamut's Light (FFXVI)

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finally did the storm recalc here as well

Final Fantasy XVI Ultima's Storm Recalc

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That should be the last calc we needed as of now

 

[Dalesean027]

This is officially everything we have as of now for profiles

Characters and Abilities:
Magik and Dominants:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Dust_Collector/Sandbox6
Dion/Bahamut

Dust Collector/Sandbox8

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Ultima

Dust Collector/Sandbox9

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Barnabas

Barnabas Tharmr

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Calculations:

Benedikta Tornado Energy

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Eikon Height's Final fantasy 16

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Final Fantasy 16 calc compilation 1 (Eikonic feats vol 1)

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Final Fantasy 16 calc compilation 2

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Final Fantasy 16 calc compilation 3

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Ifrit evaporates Leviathan's Tsumani (FF16)

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Phoenix Saves Ifrit from Bahamut's Light (FFXVI)

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Final Fantasy XVI Ultima's Storm Recalc

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[ArkhamDC06]

If someone is interested, I have better pics for Typhon and Ultimalius at least (though I think I already posted them some time ago)

 

[Dalesean027]

If someone is interested, I have better pics for Typhon and Ultimalius at least (though I think I already posted them some time ago)

Yup you should be able to throw them straight into the sandbox

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Gonna post them here for approval from everyone first I think

Typhon

Typhon the Transgressor (form 2)

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Ultima (normal)

Risen

Ultimalius

In-game render for Ultimalius

Another one (can't remember what form it is exactly)

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Phoenix bump? Also Omega likely needs a profile (since half the L2-C content for FFXVI is from it).

 

[sageof8paths]

Ultima (normal)

Risen

Ultimalius

In-game render for Ultimalius

Another one (can't remember what form it is exactly)

Are those black holes?

 

[sageof8paths]

Phoenix Saves Ifrit from Bahamut's Light (FFXVI)

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finally did the storm recalc here as well

Final Fantasy XVI Ultima's Storm Recalc

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That should be the last calc we needed as of now

Thank you so much bro, it was really fun working these out with u guys

 

[Dalesean027]

Phoenix bump? Also Omega likely needs a profile (since half the L2-C content for FFXVI is from it).

We'll need to still finish out some other profiles but yes that is needed as well

I also noticed Ultima needs like creation and life manip on his profile since he is the one who created humanity

Thank you so much bro, it was really fun working these out with u guys

Yeah its much better doing this with a group of people lol, looking forward to the next one

 

[sageof8paths]

Here’s the scaling that needs to be updated in the profiles, will mainly be going over the endgame characters.

This is officially everything we have as of now for profiles

Characters and Abilities:
Magik and Dominants:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Dust_Collector/Sandbox6
Dion/Bahamut

Dust Collector/Sandbox8

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Dion

AP:
would scale to Low 6B in base, Clive and Joshua beat the ultima who is the same ultima that did the 6B storm after he fused with an ifrit corpse. They did this in base and semi prime at most. Everything else should just say higher. He then scales to High 6A, possibly higher with zetta flare when he absorbs the mother crystal. “He means to burn the world”.

Speed:
FTL also in base. Barnabus could clash with pheonix and fodderize shiva without even transforming. Lore states they’re rivals and have battled each other over and over therefore he scales. Every thing else should say higher. FAR HIGHER after he absorbs the mother crystal.

Ultima

Dust Collector/Sandbox9

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Ultima:

AP:
Low 6B in base for the storm. Higher in his fire form, 6B (8.15456931 teratons) in Ultima Prime, effortlessly tanked and overpowered the tri-disaster which is an attack with Clive, Dion and Joshua fusing their energies. Higher in his next form (24.46370793 teratons) fuses with 3 other versions of himself. High 6B (146.78224758 teratons) with Flare (fused 6 of his big attacks into one) , Higher with “Ultima” attack. At least High 4A, (1.688e63 joules) likely low 2C, created the rift, a dimension with an omnidirectional starry sky, with redshift nebula (implying universal expansion), should be above omega, the space-time of the rift collapses when he gets staggered implying he was holding together the space-time of the rift. Higher with the rapture, Far higher with purgatorium (at least 6x, far greater than the flare attack, even its loading phase releases six attacks at once) Far higher as ultimalius (fused with 15 other versions of himself) Far higher with flare, higher with exaflare, higher with limit break.

Speed:
FTL, higher with fire armour, higher with ultima prime, higher when fused with 3 versions of himself, At least FTL+ when fused with 15 other versions of himself

Barnabas

Barnabas Tharmr

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AP:
Low 6B in base, higher semi primed, higher as Odin.
Speed:
FTL in base higher in everything else

Same with Joshua however it is debatable whether he is ftl in base

Clive’s late game profile should be identical to Odin, then endgame is just peak ultima.

Calculations:

Benedikta Tornado Energy

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Eikon Height's Final fantasy 16

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Final Fantasy 16 calc compilation 1 (Eikonic feats vol 1)

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Final Fantasy 16 calc compilation 2

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Final Fantasy 16 calc compilation 3

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Ifrit evaporates Leviathan's Tsumani (FF16)

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Phoenix Saves Ifrit from Bahamut's Light (FFXVI)

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Final Fantasy XVI Ultima's Storm Recalc

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[Dalesean027]

Here’s the scaling that needs to be updated in the profiles, will mainly be going over the endgame characters.


Dion

AP:
would scale to Low 6B in base, Clive and Joshua beat the ultima who is the same ultima that did the 6B storm after he fused with an ifrit corpse. They did this in base and semi prime at most. Everything else should just say higher. He then scales to High 6A, possibly higher with zetta flare when he absorbs the mother crystal. “He means to burn the world”.

Speed:
FTL also in base. Barnabus could clash with pheonix and fodderize shiva without even transforming. Lore states they’re rivals and have battled each other over and over therefore he scales. Every thing else should say higher. FAR HIGHER after he absorbs the mother crystal.

Ultima:

AP:
Low 6B in base for the storm. Higher in his fire form, 6B (8.15456931 teratons) in Ultima Prime, effortlessly tanked and overpowered the tri-disaster which is an attack with Clive, Dion and Joshua fusing their energies. Higher in his next form (24.46370793 teratons) fuses with 3 other versions of himself. High 6B (146.78224758 teratons) with Flare (fused 6 of his big attacks into one) , Higher with “Ultima” attack. At least High 4A, (1.688e63 joules) likely low 2C, created the rift, a dimension with an omnidirectional starry sky, with redshift nebula (implying universal expansion), should be above omega, the space-time of the rift collapses when he gets staggered implying he was holding together the space-time of the rift. Higher with the rapture, Far higher with purgatorium (at least 6x, far greater than the flare attack, even its loading phase releases six attacks at once) Far higher as ultimalius (fused with 15 other versions of himself) Far higher with flare, higher with exaflare, higher with limit break.

Speed:
FTL, higher with fire armour, higher with ultima prime, higher when fused with 3 versions of himself, At least FTL+ when fused with 15 other versions of himself


AP:
Low 6B in base, higher semi primed, higher as Odin.
Speed:
FTL in base higher in everything else

Same with Joshua however it is debatable whether he is ftl in base

Clive’s late game profile should be identical to Odin, then endgame is just peak ultima.

Why are using Likely low 2-C instead of outright they say he created the dimension and that its a beyond seperate space time, the starry sky would just be support atp

The rest is fine tho

 

[sageof8paths]

Why are using Likely low 2-C instead of outright they say he created the dimension and that its a beyond seperate space time, the starry sky would just be support atp

The rest is fine tho

I didn’t care to debate 2c ultimate when typing that however I do agree he’s 2c

 

[Dust_Collector]

Damn I really gotta get back to working on my sandboxes, work has been kicking my ass these last few months on top of my apprenticeship, just wasn't finding the time.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Edited the Barnabas blog with what was said, though I still need something for the stamina (I guess Superhuman?) and maybe LS. Also going to work again on Titan, Leviathan and Shiva, I had given up on them for some time now since we weren't really progressing, looks like it's time to get back to FFXVI now

 

[sageof8paths]

We have to decide on whether the other eikons scale to ftl. It doesn’t make sense for them to be moving at Mach speeds while the others are at ftl speeds much tbh. Ifrit did beat phoenix in his first appearance before he fought Garuda and titan however it’s also unclear whether baby Joshua was ftl

 

[ArkhamDC06]

We have to decide on whether the other eikons scale to ftl. It doesn’t make sense for them to be moving at Mach speeds while the others are at ftl speeds much tbh. Ifrit did beat phoenix in his first appearance before he fought Garuda and titan however it’s also unclear whether baby Joshua was ftl

Well we can still do something like "At least Mach, possibly/likely FTL" to signify they're not that far behind but are not exactly as strong

 

[sageof8paths]

updated dions profile

Dust Collector/Sandbox8

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[Dalesean027]

I mean it'd be like HHS+ likely FTL ig for anyone else

 

[Dust_Collector]

Yeah I think using HHS+ as their low end with a likely or possibly FTL for their high ends for the other eikons would be fine.

I mean it'd be like HHS+ likely FTL ig for anyone else

I wonder if it'll have new information or if it'll simply be a physical collection of the in game active time lore. Either way it seems cool.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

I mean it'd be like HHS+ likely FTL ig for anyone else

Wow that book looks so cool

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

That book looks so cool! They did a good job with the cover.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Bump Flare

 

[Dalesean027]

I'll check here on the weekend when I've got free time to see what I can do here

 

[sageof8paths]

It’s pretty much to round up the profiles n launch the verse

 

[Dust_Collector]

Gonna do more extensive updates to my sandboxes later, but I've added the justification for Low 2-C Ultima:

Universe level+ (Created the Interdimensional Rift, a space between worlds that exists beyond time and space[5] that contains it's own cosmos[8])