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Chainsaw Man discussion thread

Suddenly realizing that there's no way the 100% Gun Devil's AP would scale to its 5-minute world crossing KE, considering how it sheared off 37% (over a third!) of its body in the process.

In other words, it can't even handle running into air at that speed, let alone something solid.
 
ElajRuengies said:
Suddenly realizing that there's no way the 100% Gun Devil's AP would scale to its 5-minute world crossing KE, considering how it sheared off 37% (over a third!) of its body in the process.

In other words, it can't even handle running into air at that speed, let alone something solid.
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I mean it could, not that Gun Devil's entire body was made for flying around at that crazy speed anyways, his guns and bullets however...
 
ElajRuengies said:
Suddenly realizing that there's no way the 100% Gun Devil's AP would scale to its 5-minute world crossing KE, considering how it sheared off 37% (over a third!) of its body in the process.

In other words, it can't even handle running into air at that speed, let alone something solid.
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And don't forget, none of his flesh was badly damaged anyways, they still remain in quite solid forms, like a bullet.
 
ElJoaki5 said:
Do you think bullet weight should be used? It gets to Small City
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I mean, it feels weird that Pochita gets obliterated by an AP three times higher than a value he massively scales above, but fictional joules are fictional.

With that said, it also feels weird that a sniper rifle the size of a building fires bullets lighter than a person, but that's thanks to the barrel having the weird concentric ring(?) that makes the inner diameter small, and so the bullets are small. The rifle barrel's like 80% solid.
 
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ElajRuengies said:
I mean, it feels weird that Pochita gets obliterated by an AP three times higher than a value he massively scales above, but fictional joules are fictional.

With that said, it also feels weird that a sniper rifle the size of a building fires bullets lighter than a person, but that's thanks to the barrel having the weird concentric ring(?) that makes the inner diameter small, and so the bullets are small. The rifle barrel's like 80% solid.
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So, did we get any official calc and rating yet?
 
Acertainbcplayer said:
So when do we update her wiki?

Also I just realized, all of this are just Yoru in fiend form, that's a crazy realization.
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A CRT is definitely coming after this arc wraps up. (Which might possibly be the end of Pt. 2 as well- feels like we're nearing the climax after all the buildup)

Pt. 1 was 97 chapters long, and we're at 178, so if Pt. 2 is just as long, then we got 16 chapters left.
 
Zabazab said:
Why is the jacket (finger) being pixel scaled instead of the actual bullet? There's also no reason to think the finger had a second, thinner finger inside it, a lead core is the standard assumption, so the density of lead should be used over the density of people.
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The actual bullet is kinda stretched due to the speed effect though.
 
the thing flying over the water is 7 times long as it is wide
and shaped like a rounded rectangle
idk how fast even a sniper round would have to be going to be stretched into that shape
 
ElajRuengies said:
No? It could just get longer without getting thinner?
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I don't agree.

But either way it's possible to just look up the dimensions of a sniper rifle bullet, and scale it up to the size of the rifle on the statue, avoiding the issue entirely.
 
I don't think Part 2 is nearing the end personally, there's still everything from Fire Devil/Fakesaw Man, Power's contract, the Apocalypse, etc.
 
Zabazab said:
I don't agree.

But either way it's possible to just look up the dimensions of a sniper rifle bullet, and scale it up to the size of the rifle on the statue, avoiding the issue entirely.
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DrGreyman said:
from a quick google search
7.62×54mm
actually around 7 times as long
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0.25457 meters / 0.00762 meters = scaling factor of 33.408...

33.408^3 * 10 grams = 372.8694083861... kg, which checks out with metal density instead of human density.
 
Alexander said:
you know how is Fujimoto with characters
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Nah. I think part 2 is still going for quite some time. Even in Part one he spared time for all the characters quite well, even Kobeni got her low-wage arc. He did not leave out any characters in Part 2 and got all of them to take part in the story in one way or another.

If it's ending, I hope it won't end like Fire Punch though, peak, but ain't a fitting ending, and I don't think Fujimoto will do the same for csm, he's done with it already.
 
Zabazab said:
I don't think Part 2 is nearing the end personally, there's still everything from Fire Devil/Fakesaw Man, Power's contract, the Apocalypse, etc.
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I had an idea while back that the Making Denji Suffer arc would conclude with Pochita getting ripped out of Denji's heart, then he gets discarded like a plastic wrapper and tossed into Hell somehow, and just when it seems like he's embraced by the sweet release of Death, the Blood Devil shows up and starts forcefully circulating his blood, because for some reason she reincarnated with a contract already in place and she doesn't know why.

Denji has completely given up at this point and doesn't let himself get hopeful; he can't handle seeing Power die a third time, and she will die since that's what happens to everyone in his life, so he doesn't give her any answers and doesn't try to fulfill his side of the contract.

Ironically this doesn't kill him, since by being a downer stick in the mud, this only makes the Blood Devil more loud and boisterous to offset him, as well as more determined to know Denji (and annoying), making her more like Power.
 
The bullet explosion must be pretty hot for Pochita to be scorched like that considering his resistance
 
ElJoaki5 said:
i got bullet weight here but i don’t really know how to calc distance with that trajectory
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Taking a second look the high end is sub rel so it should be taking into account Relativistic Kinetic Energy

(1/2 * 35.3912265258 * 5834316^2)*4 = 2.4093811e+15 Joules or 575.8559 Kilotons of TNT
 
Dalesean027 said:
Taking a second look the high end is sub rel so it should be taking into account Relativistic Kinetic Energy

(1/2 * 35.3912265258 * 5834316^2)*4 = 2.4093811e+15 Joules or 575.8559 Kilotons of TNT
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Wait, where did the multiply by 4 come from? Yeah its Sub-Relativistic, but it's like 2% the Speed of Light- that isn't anywhere close enough to quadruple the mass thanks to relativistic effects. 4 times mass is just the cut off point.

mass (relativistic) = mass(normal, 1 kg for convenience) / sqrt(1 - (velocity^2 / speed of light^2))), meaning the relativistic mass is like only a 2% increase at 5.8 million m/s.

Solving backwards for velocity-
  • velocity^2 = (1 - (1/4)^2)*(speed of light)^2
A 4x mass increase requires going at like 97% the speed of light.
 
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ElajRuengies said:
Wait, where did the multiply by 4 come from? Yeah its Sub-Relativistic, but it's like 2% the Speed of Light- that isn't anywhere close enough to quadruple the mass thanks to relativistic effects. 4 times mass is just the cut off point.

mass (relativistic) = mass(normal, 1 kg for convenience) / sqrt(1 - (velocity^2 / speed of light^2))), meaning the relativistic mass is like only a 2% increase at 5.8 million m/s.
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Can't respond rn working
 
Dalesean027 said:
Can't respond rn working
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ElajRuengies said:
mass (relativistic) = mass(normal, 1 kg for convenience) / sqrt(1 - (velocity^2 / speed of light^2))), meaning the relativistic mass is like only a 2% increase at 5.8 million m/s.
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Seems my RKE I used in the past must have only been 4x due to it being so close to SoL. Big Rip😭😭 i just referenced that old calc for that lol.

BeTheWay1rst said:
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Never in my life would you catch me working in the food industry and also chill on the goat😭😭😭 he wouldn't be caught Fast Food either
 
BeTheWay1rst said:
there-are-still-more-options-for-deku-v0-8m90gbn4i09d1.jpeg
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Dalesean027 said:
tenor.gif

Seems my RKE I used in the past must have only been 4x due to it being so close to SoL. Big Rip😭😭 i just referenced that old calc for that lol.


Never in my life would you catch me working in the food industry and also chill on the goat😭😭😭 he wouldn't be caught Fast Food either
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"You were 6-B? Well I hope you got six-beef patties coming up 'cause the last guy just ordered a Mighty Meal."
 
Just saying, Pochita can probably scale to the Gun Goddesses Sub-Relativistic feat, considering he was able to turn around and acknowledge the bullet before it hit him, including the fact that he was off guard. It doesn't have to scale to combat speed, but I believe it's valid enough to scale to his reaction speed in the mean time.
 
Also the fact that he could put up his arms to redirect the second Bang Yoru puts out
still got knocked back but he did redirect the shot to a side building
so that's something
 
GunshyFever said:
Just saying, Pochita can probably scale to the Gun Goddesses Sub-Relativistic feat, considering he was able to turn around and acknowledge the bullet before it hit him, including the fact that he was off guard. It doesn't have to scale to combat speed, but I believe it's valid enough to scale to his reaction speed in the mean time.
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...When did Pochita turn around? There's only one panel of him before the bullet struck, with his back to it and head facing forward, and the sound effect reads "Incoming."

Also, even if he did "acknowledge the bullet" (he did not but for the sake of argument let's say he did), it absolutely does not scale to his reaction speed. Reactions specifically mean being able to dodge, from Speed-
Reaction speed is the speed at which a character can react to an event or action. This usually only grants a short movement upon reaction, whereas several movements at the same speed switch it to combat speed.

For example, let's say that character A shoots at character B with a gun and character B dodges. That is reaction speed. Keep in mind, sometimes a person aim dodges and it is not as good of a feat.
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Unless alternate evidence comes out next chapter, Pochita does not scale to that.
DrGreyman said:
Also the fact that he could put up his arms to redirect the second Bang Yoru puts out
still got knocked back but he did redirect the shot to a side building
so that's something
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That's maybe more valid, although Yoru's fingergun would just scale to Makima's fingergun speed. Also I need to reread those panels because I don't remember that.
 
DrGreyman said:
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That looks less like Pochita hitting the bang aside, and more like the bang hitting Pochita's guard/chainsaws and deflecting off to the side (especially considering that he goes flying), which means he wouldn't scale to its speed. (Hitting a bullet with a shield vs. being stationary and a bullet bouncing off of one's shield)

Either way his chainsaws are more durable than his body, which makes sense.
DrGreyman said:
right at the start of chapter 177
also again, Yoru's Bang is a physical projectile
haven't we been saying the Bang is telekinesis?
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Huh, it is. It definitely looks different from Makima's, although that was calced as a cylinder of air moving really fast iirc. Dunno if that's telekinesis or not.
 
ElajRuengies said:
...When did Pochita turn around? There's only one panel of him before the bullet struck, with his back to it and head facing forward, and the sound effect reads "Incoming."
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In the previous chapter, Pochita was facing the opposite direction, asking for blood. In the current chapter, mere moments before the bullet hit him, he was able to turn around and acknowledge the incoming projectile, even lowering the hand he was using to wave the sign asking for blood donors. He turned to his left to literally see the bullet coming towards him. Plus, there was no sound effect for the bullet when it reached Pochita. In fact, given the speed at which the bullet was moving, sound (in general) would not have reached him in time for him to acknowledge it. What we see him doing in the panel is purely reacting to the incoming bullet.
ElajRuengies said:
Also, even if he did "acknowledge the bullet" (he did not but for the sake of argument let's say he did), it absolutely does not scale to his reaction speed. Reactions specifically mean being able to dodge, from Speed-
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The mere act of turning his body left to observe the projectile while he was off-guard is enough.
 
ElajRuengies said:
That looks less like Pochita hitting the bang aside, and more like the bang hitting Pochita's guard/chainsaws and deflecting off to the side (especially considering that he goes flying), which means he wouldn't scale to its speed. (Hitting a bullet with a shield vs. being stationary and a bullet bouncing off of one's shield)
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That's not what happened in those panels. Pochita instantly raised his left arm to block after Yoru fired her shot. If we do indeed decide to compare the speed of these shots to Makima's "bang," the shot should have been traveling around Mach 4000, as Pochita could even make the effort to attempt to block. He is clearly faster than that attack.
 
GunshyFever said:
In the previous chapter, Pochita was facing the opposite direction, asking for blood. In the current chapter, mere moments before the bullet hit him, he was able to turn around and acknowledge the incoming projectile, even lowering the hand he was using to wave the sign asking for blood donors. He turned to his left to literally see the bullet coming towards him. Plus, there was no sound effect for the bullet when it reached Pochita. In fact, given the speed at which the bullet was moving, sound (in general) would not have reached him in time for him to acknowledge it. What we see him doing in the panel is purely reacting to the incoming bullet.
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...Are we looking at the same panels? He's still facing forward, Pochita isn't turned at all.
GunshyFever said:
The mere act of turning his body left to observe the projectile while he was off-guard is enough.
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No it isn't.
GunshyFever said:
That's not what happened in those panels. Pochita instantly raised his left arm to block after Yoru fired her shot. If we do indeed decide to compare the speed of these shots to Makima's "bang," the shot should have been traveling around Mach 4000, as Pochita could even make the effort to attempt to block. He is clearly faster than that attack.
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Okay that part's fair, although he scales to the projectile for blocking it not for deflecting it.
 
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