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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

EldemadeDityjon said:
Post the scan where his perception got blitzed instead of Gojo holding Sukuna with his Blue and trying to attack him. Gojo was overpowering Sukuna when he was concentrated on TS Adaptation; nothing in the series shows he was blitzing him. He was just kicking him here and there with Blue-amped fists. Sukuna was shown to block the attacks, but he was just getting thrown away. Also, Gojo's Blue is explicitly stated to be short-range teleportation, not speed in literal. Besides, Gojo's perception and combat speed didn't decrease when Blue was turned off, so either way, him using Blue or not shouldn't matter.
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That's still speed? Kenjaku says this, Sukuna notes its speed too. I don't know what else you're talking about.

EldemadeDityjon said:
Show me the scans where in the manga it was stated he went all out in Shibuya? Kenjaku who was collecting information on everyone and has information Gojo and others didn't had anything on YuKi. Even Higher ups who gave her special grade title didn't know much about her. She pulling up for a bit and protecting them ≠ Kamo and others fully know about Yuki's speed.
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You keep bringing up full speed but we don't know what's full speed for them and we don't know if its above someone else or not so I really don't know why it matters if she was full speed.

EldemadeDityjon said:
We know what he trained for: to regain his special grade status after being nuked to grade 4 when Rika left him. Yuta is a 50% CQC fighter, so it's not hard to say he also trained in his speed. Also, no one was watching when Yuta smoked Geto. There is no indication that Yuta went all out against some Grade 1 and lower noobs from Kyoto. Why are you assuming Yuta was going all out against them? Even the manga states it's one-sided.
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I never say going all out lmao.

EldemadeDityjon said:
Sukuna when he fought Yuta he has better conditions.
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I've entered Sukuna Kaisen

Guacamolefletcher said:
If something comes at you way faster than you expected, shown by the sonic boom happening right in front of their face. He still reacted perfectly, and just at the eye test you can see Uraume covered a very similar distance with their hand to block it as the PB did before reaching them. Also this, again, isn't all out Uraume, it's Uraume before the PB hit him and holidng back as he usually does vs modern day people, like he states.

It's like you handed me a 45lb dumbbell and told me "hey it's a 5." I'd be caught offguard by the weight, and probably drop it, since I didn't expect it to be heavy. But is 45lbs heavy for me when using my full strength? No, I can throw it around like it's nothing
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Uraume Kaisen ig. Why would Uraume hold back to such an extent? And Uraume wasn't caught off guard, he was outright saying the speed was fast, why would a lightning timer ever think that?
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Idk it might work like that?
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Thing is those are pretty blatantly regarding the DC Lantern corps whose entire schtick is being empowered by emotions. Not sure if literally anyone would get empowerment simply because they start fighting better while actively motivated because that would literally give everyone empowerment
 
Arkenis said:
That's still speed? Kenjaku says this, Sukuna notes its speed too. I don't know what else you're talking about.
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Gojo's perception and combat speed didn't decrease when Blue was turned off, so either way, him using Blue or not shouldn't matter
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Arkenis said:
You keep bringing up full speed but we don't know what's full speed for them and we don't know if its above someone else or not so I really don't know why it matters if she was full speed.
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My main point is that Naobito, known for being the fastest in the Jujutsu society, shouldn't downgrade Yuki below him, especially considering she hasn't gone all out or showcased anything to the society. She might be faster or slower; no one knows that. She shouldn't be included in that so-called title list.

Honestly, I don't care about MHS, but my real problem is saying Maki and Naoya are cap to Jujutsu Kaisen speed. Even if high tiers scale to only supersonic, they should be scaled above Naoya and Maki, as well as Naobito.

Special Grade > Naobito
Uraume > Maki and Cursed Naoya
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
My main point is that Naobito, known for being the fastest in the Jujutsu society, shouldn't downgrade Yuki below him, especially considering she hasn't gone all out or showcased anything to the society. She might be faster or slower; no one knows that. She shouldn't be included in that so-called title list.
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She fought Kenjaku and alongside Choso? You're calling for a level of skepticism that isn't reasonable here. If Gege wanted her to be faster than Naobito, he'd have mentioned something or implied it along with other special grade sorcerers or something.

EldemadeDityjon said:
Honestly, I don't care about MHS, but my real problem is saying Maki and Naoya are cap to Jujutsu Kaisen speed. Even if high tiers scale to only supersonic, they should be scaled above Naoya and Maki, as well as Naobito.
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I mean they are though? They can scale above in some instances like Sukuna disappearing from Maki's sight but overall I don't see them being far higher. Like at most you're arguing for Sukuna and that's really it.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Special Grade > Naobito
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WOAH woah woah woah

Arkenis said:
She fought Kenjaku and alongside Choso? You're calling for a level of skepticism that isn't reasonable here. If Gege wanted her to be faster than Naobito, he'd have mentioned something or implied it along with other special grade sorcerers or something.
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TBF, that's Choso + brother amp, which has no anti feats for his speed. Yuki herself is relative to Kenjaku who is faster than piercing blood
 
Arkenis said:
Was it ever said Choso got faster?
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If a character gets an amp and keeps up with someone who previously blitzed him... why do you need a statement?

If a character gets an amp in general, they're not held back by their non-amped selves unless it's implied to be a small one
 
Guacamolefletcher said:
If a character gets an amp and keeps up with someone who previously blitzed him... why do you need a statement?
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The Kenjaku who just did domain? The Kenjaku who already was using rct before Choso came? The Kenjaku who is held down by Garuda too?
 
Arkenis said:
She fought Kenjaku and alongside Choso? You're calling for a level of skepticism that isn't reasonable here. If Gege wanted her to be faster than Naobito, he'd have mentioned something or implied it along with other special grade sorcerers or something.
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Injured Yuki fought Kenjaku alongside Choso not fully healed version. She was still doing way better than what awakened Choso was doing. Kenjaku was faster than Choso and his PB nonetheless.
Arkenis said:
I mean they are though? They can scale above in some instances like Sukuna disappearing from Maki's sight but overall I don't see them being far higher. Like at most you're arguing for Sukuna and that's really it.
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Not just for Sukuna, we clearly have Uraume's AOE attack blitzing Yuji and Maki, while Base Hakari was keeping up with all-out Uraume. Current Yuta > CT Kashimo >Base Kashimo > Base Hakari > Uraume's AOE attacks' speed, unless we assume that Hakari has gotten much faster during this time skip. If he is now at CT Kashimo's speed, then Yuta being comparable to, if not faster than, base Hakari. This would make Current Yuta & people relative to him > Maki ~ Cursed Naoya overall.

Even without this scaling chain pretty much Yuta has feats for going toe to toe with Sukuna better than what Maki did. So he would be faster than her either way.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Even without this scaling chain pretty much Yuta has feats for going toe to toe with Sukuna better than what Maki did. So he would be faster than her either way.
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Nah. Sukuna would've blitzed Yuta just like he did against Maki. Different Sukunas.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
Nah. Sukuna would've blitzed Yuta just like he did against Maki. Different Sukunas.
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YukaSama4 said:
He wouldn't and even if he would, the Sukuna that fought Yuta is stronger than the one who fought Maki
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The Sukuna who fought Maki was not holding back like he was against Yuta. It's a two way argument.

Sukuna holding back but less weakened.

Sukuna not holding back but further weakened.

In any case, Maki would still scale to at least the same speed as Yuta given she now came back after eating a Black Flash and is kepting up with Yuji and Sukuna will likely recover faster to revert this weakened state.
 
YukaSama4 said:
He wouldn't and even if he would
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Also about this. Saying that Yuta has enough speed to react to a serious Sukuna blitz but not Maki implies that Yuta blitzes her. That's not the case. You're just plain wrong and this Maki downplay is honestly very annoying to deal.
YukaSama4 said:
No one can notice HR except for the six eyes
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It's up to you to prove it was a sneak attack.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
Also about this. Saying that Yuta has enough speed to react to a serious Sukuna blitz but not Maki implies that Yuta blitzes her. That's not the case. You're just plain wrong and this Maki downplay is honestly very annoying to deal
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Yuta or Hakari will destroy Maki in a fight
 
M3X_2.0 said:
It's up to you to prove it was a sneak attack
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Maki was desperately trying to beat Sukuna before and couldn't do anything, you're the one who has to prove that she's blitzing Sukuna who was better than her amped by a blackflash
Yuji could already keep up with Maki against nerfed Sukuna
 
YukaSama4 said:
Maki was desperately trying to beat Sukuna before and couldn't do anything, you're the one who has to prove that she's blitzing Sukuna who was better than her amped by a blackflash
Yuji could already keep up with Maki against nerfed Sukuna
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Are you blind or out of your mind now? Since when I said Maki blitzes Sukuna? Like, can you even read?

Yuji could barely keep up with Maki and was mostly fighting as a support*
 
The Hakari wank is one of the weirdest cases in the entire JJK community.

His feats are: Surviving base Kashimo who at that point had no feats besides beating Panda (****, I beat Panda) and is fighting Uraume for more than 4 months now.

Dude has done nothing to jutify this hype around him.
 
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