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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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No. I think you're just confused. Just because its a title doesn't mean its not confirmation. Kamo is still saying the title because it has worth to it, he isn't just saying it cause its a title. Kamo deems it worthy to still bring up even with knowledge of sorcerers like Yuta.
He's not holding back, Yuji's just very strong.
Before upping his speed
Because its in close combat.
Where did Yuta go all out? In speed definitely but not strength. I don't get the Rika point. She's holding him, that's LS. They so obviously weren't playing around... Rika's a kid, he told her that to calm down, not cause its true.
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Whatever you are saying never stated in the series. So Gojo Bliztes Naobito but Sukuna is likely despite having same speed as Gojo?
Yuki was dead ass kown to lazy, her information wasn't even available to the higher ups of the jujutsu high, I don't see why she would be famous like Naobito for speed with her laziness & Yuta was training in Africa. Current chapter stated 99% of Sorcerers are from Japan. It's not hard to understand his speed information or anything would be spread to the world. Not to mention we do know yuta was hiding his abilities from jujutsu high. Even if you argue yuta is slower than Naobito in Shibuya Incident & CG due to his struggle with Yuji speed current arc has no relationship with that. He already trained & increased his speed. Sukuna was fast enough to blitz Ryu but yuta who had same speed as Ryu keeping up with current Sukuna already shows that.
Maki & Naoya idc. It's not like they are considered to be anything special.
Tell Maki to outspeed casual Uraume first which base Hakari already keeping up with all out Uraume AOE speed. Maki glazing should be stopped & people should read JJK not Maki Kaisen.
What is Yuta doing here? Holding back his speed cause he wants to kill Yuji? He's just holding back yeah. Maki punched top speed Naoya.
Maki smelling light and seeing sound > Mach 3 God Cursed Naoya The King of Speed Curses > Maki ~ Naoya ~ Yuta
Don't even need lore but here
What is Maki? Who is Maki? Why is Maki?
All these questions can be answered through one simple word... HER!
Where does Maki get all her swagger and strength from? Her loser clan? Her old bitter dad? Her friends? None.
She gets it from endless hard-work, immense skill and being herself... unlike that loser Gojo.
"What's Maki's best feat"
What's yours? Maki went toe to toe with the man himself and survived. Name someone else who still alive, running hands withGegeSukuna?
"Maki not faster than Hakari, he lightning speed"
Read the manga.
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No? It's like saying "Oh, that was the technique of 'Special grade' Yuta"
No? Yuji is weakened here, and in Shibuya he's Nanami level. Yuta himself is >>> sorcerers like Nanami
What...? Close combat vs long-range, it doesn't matter, they still go equal in speed, and to make matters worse Yuji dodges Yuta's attacks several times.
How the **** would Yuta beat ******* Naoya if a casual Naoya can bad-blitz him?
If you admit he's not going all out, or using his 100%, then you literally can't claim he's using his full speed. This claim literally has nothing going for it either. Yuta never said he's using his full speed... but not his full power, for some reason?
Yuta's LS ~ Rika's. We see this consistently.
Ok so? It still shows that he's not fighting with his 100%, and even has to specify it to Rika. "Hey, we're just playing, chill, don't go all out or you're gonna squeeze him to death"
Uraume explicitly hasn't gone out against anyone from the moderm day, yet people are tryna say stuff and make scaling chains for Uraume and anyone but Hakari...
Uraume looks at Hakari and thinks "Nah, you're not like anyone from the modern age, you're superhuman" and people are like "Nah, Hakari is just your average physical brawler, he'd get blitzed by Maki"
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At least it sounds like the chapter was interesting if its managed to add flame to the speed debate again.
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Idk Arkenis started that
Not to mention dude thinks Naobito might likely faster than Sukuna
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Well yeah, Gojo's hyped speed seems to come from Blue not regular speed. And Sukuna was getting blitzed by Blue early on. Its similar to Shunshin in Naruto putting someone above someone they were otherwise relative to.So Gojo Bliztes Naobito but Sukuna is likely despite having same speed as Gojo?
Lazy, not inactive. And he saw her in Shibuya save everyone, what does he need to see to know how fast she is compared to others?
Yuta's known to have beaten Geto, second to Gojo, and washed all of Kyoto, and he still wasn't faster than Naobito? That training in Africa is random, you couldn't tell me what he trained for.
What?
Just that he could use pos energy outside the body.
The current Sukuna that has been fighting fight after fight? Having to use RCT constantly, thats the same Sukuna that blitzed Ryu? When did Yuta train? How did he train? Yuta doesn't seem to think that training was worth anything considering how he answered Sukuna.
What?
He's developed his curse energy control, he can be physically weak but his ce control is greater now.
It does matter. Yuta and Yuji aren't out-speeding Naoya in travel speed. Even in close combat we see Choso can't keep up either.
Yuta wins through other means, likely just growing to perceive the speed, or domain, or tanking till Naoya can't use his ct. It's really not insane to think Yuta wins outside of speed lmao.
When did I say Yuta was using full speed? I just don't agree he was holding back speed. When did I say full power either?
Read up.
Until Uraume goes all out and shows us their crazy lightning speed, bros staying a subsonic ice user.
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What needs to be added https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Arkenis/sandboxforKusakabe?so=search
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Oh yeah I'm done with it, I just dont know if anyone wanted to add more.
Arkenis/sandboxforMeiMei
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Post the scan where his perception got blitzed instead of Gojo holding Sukuna with his Blue and trying to attack him. Gojo was overpowering Sukuna when he was concentrated on TS Adaptation; nothing in the series shows he was blitzing him. He was just kicking him here and there with Blue-amped fists. Sukuna was shown to block the attacks, but he was just getting thrown away. Also, Gojo's Blue is explicitly stated to be short-range teleportation, not speed in literal. Besides, Gojo's perception and combat speed didn't decrease when Blue was turned off, so either way, him using Blue or not shouldn't matter.
Show me the scans where in the manga it was stated she went all out in Shibuya? Kenjaku who was collecting information on everyone and has information Gojo and others didn't had anything on YuKi. Even Higher ups who gave her special grade title didn't know much about her. She pulling up for a bit and protecting them ≠ Kamo and others fully know about Yuki's speed.
We know what he trained for: to regain his special grade status after being nuked to grade 4 when Rika left him. Yuta is a 50% CQC fighter, so it's not hard to say he also trained in his speed. Also, no one was watching when Yuta smoked Geto. There is no indication that Yuta went all out against some Grade 1 and lower noobs from Kyoto. Why are you assuming Yuta was going all out against them? Even the manga states it's one-sided.
Never states it's only because of that.
Sukuna when he fought Yuta he has better conditions.
He said cheated meaning highly likely trained inside Miyo's domain. He didn't say he didn't trained.
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Regarding SD. Damage reduction should be added for Kusakabe? Or limited Powernull for weakening Sukuna slashes output which targets him?
Also its not just speed enhancement. You should just write it as statistics amplification because overall CE output is getting amped inside his SD.
Vector Manipulation should work because of him having good knowledge on barrier techniques and he was able to shrink and expand his SD barriers conditions.
Also H2H combat should be added to his abilities.
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Imma just spoiler tag it too
It's like you handed me a 45lb dumbbell and told me "hey it's a 5." I'd be caught offguard by the weight, and probably drop it, since I didn't expect it to be heavy. But is 45lbs heavy for me when using my full strength? No, I can throw it around like it's nothing
I wanna add the season 2 art style Mei Mei render, since it looks better, and also the Hidden Inventory Mei Mei
Note: I already did this for a lot of the verse, like Geto, Todo, Miwa, etc
Prove that
Ok so he's barely squeeking out a win through getting beat the **** up...? Doesn't seem like the sorcerer second to Gojo
Ok so then it doesn't gatekeep Yuta's ratings, and that's a concession
If something comes at you way faster than you expected, shown by the sonic boom happening right in front of their face. He still reacted perfectly, and just at the eye test you can see Uraume covered a very similar distance with their hand to block it as the PB did before reaching them. Also this, again, isn't all out Uraume, it's Uraume before the PB hit him and holidng back as he usually does vs modern day people, like he states.
It's like you handed me a 45lb dumbbell and told me "hey it's a 5." I'd be caught offguard by the weight, and probably drop it, since I didn't expect it to be heavy. But is 45lbs heavy for me when using my full strength? No, I can throw it around like it's nothing
OK NOW this is just a yap statement. Even if we wank Naobito's statements and say he's Mach 3 at peak because of them, Toji-level Maki can react and perceive that, while she can't react to a weakened Sukuna. Gojo's blue is never hyped up or brought up again
Wait also, can I edit this to add the newer renders? Also I wanna add the younger Mei Mei rendersOh yeah I'm done with it, I just dont know if anyone wanted to add more.
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I wanna add the season 2 art style Mei Mei render, since it looks better, and also the Hidden Inventory Mei Mei
Note: I already did this for a lot of the verse, like Geto, Todo, Miwa, etc
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Not really sure about Empowerment since what happened was kind of just a mindset change
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Idk it might work like that?
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That's still speed? Kenjaku says this, Sukuna notes its speed too. I don't know what else you're talking about.
You keep bringing up full speed but we don't know what's full speed for them and we don't know if its above someone else or not so I really don't know why it matters if she was full speed.
I never say going all out lmao.
I've entered Sukuna Kaisen
Uraume Kaisen ig. Why would Uraume hold back to such an extent? And Uraume wasn't caught off guard, he was outright saying the speed was fast, why would a lightning timer ever think that?
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Thing is those are pretty blatantly regarding the DC Lantern corps whose entire schtick is being empowered by emotions. Not sure if literally anyone would get empowerment simply because they start fighting better while actively motivated because that would literally give everyone empowerment
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Nah I think its just by verse. If a verse doesn't imply such then it wouldn't be
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make a thread real quickOh yeah I'm done with it, I just dont know if anyone wanted to add more.
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JJK - Mei mei and Kusakabe Pages
Uhm uh JJK first grades need pages, I've made these. Mei Mei Kusakabe If I miss something say so I can add.
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My main point is that Naobito, known for being the fastest in the Jujutsu society, shouldn't downgrade Yuki below him, especially considering she hasn't gone all out or showcased anything to the society. She might be faster or slower; no one knows that. She shouldn't be included in that so-called title list.
Honestly, I don't care about MHS, but my real problem is saying Maki and Naoya are cap to Jujutsu Kaisen speed. Even if high tiers scale to only supersonic, they should be scaled above Naoya and Maki, as well as Naobito.
Special Grade > Naobito
Uraume > Maki and Cursed Naoya
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She fought Kenjaku and alongside Choso? You're calling for a level of skepticism that isn't reasonable here. If Gege wanted her to be faster than Naobito, he'd have mentioned something or implied it along with other special grade sorcerers or something.
I mean they are though? They can scale above in some instances like Sukuna disappearing from Maki's sight but overall I don't see them being far higher. Like at most you're arguing for Sukuna and that's really it.
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WOAH woah woah woah
TBF, that's Choso + brother amp, which has no anti feats for his speed. Yuki herself is relative to Kenjaku who is faster than piercing blood
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Was it ever said Choso got faster?
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If a character gets an amp and keeps up with someone who previously blitzed him... why do you need a statement?
If a character gets an amp in general, they're not held back by their non-amped selves unless it's implied to be a small one
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The Kenjaku who just did domain? The Kenjaku who already was using rct before Choso came? The Kenjaku who is held down by Garuda too?
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Using RCT isn't that big of an amp
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It drains you of curse energy is what I'm talking about
EldemadeDityjon
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Injured Yuki fought Kenjaku alongside Choso not fully healed version. She was still doing way better than what awakened Choso was doing. Kenjaku was faster than Choso and his PB nonetheless.
Not just for Sukuna, we clearly have Uraume's AOE attack blitzing Yuji and Maki, while Base Hakari was keeping up with all-out Uraume. Current Yuta > CT Kashimo >Base Kashimo > Base Hakari > Uraume's AOE attacks' speed, unless we assume that Hakari has gotten much faster during this time skip. If he is now at CT Kashimo's speed, then Yuta being comparable to, if not faster than, base Hakari. This would make Current Yuta & people relative to him > Maki ~ Cursed Naoya overall.
Even without this scaling chain pretty much Yuta has feats for going toe to toe with Sukuna better than what Maki did. So he would be faster than her either way.
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It's not that big of a nerf though, you don't get a blitz slower, or even much significantly
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Nah. Sukuna would've blitzed Yuta just like he did against Maki. Different Sukunas.
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He wouldn't and even if he would, the Sukuna that fought Yuta is stronger than the one who fought Maki
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The Sukuna who fought Maki was not holding back like he was against Yuta. It's a two way argument.
Sukuna holding back but less weakened.
Sukuna not holding back but further weakened.
In any case, Maki would still scale to at least the same speed as Yuta given she now came back after eating a Black Flash and is kepting up with Yuji and Sukuna will likely recover faster to revert this weakened state.
