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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Arkenis said:
Well yeah, Gojo's hyped speed seems to come from Blue not regular speed. And Sukuna was getting blitzed by Blue early on. Its similar to Shunshin in Naruto putting someone above someone they were otherwise relative to.
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Post the scan where his perception got blitzed instead of Gojo holding Sukuna with his Blue and trying to attack him. Gojo was overpowering Sukuna when he was concentrated on TS Adaptation; nothing in the series shows he was blitzing him. He was just kicking him here and there with Blue-amped fists. Sukuna was shown to block the attacks, but he was just getting thrown away. Also, Gojo's Blue is explicitly stated to be short-range teleportation, not speed in literal. Besides, Gojo's perception and combat speed didn't decrease when Blue was turned off, so either way, him using Blue or not shouldn't matter.
Arkenis said:
Lazy, not inactive. And he saw her in Shibuya save everyone, what does he need to see to know how fast she is compared to others?
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Show me the scans where in the manga it was stated she went all out in Shibuya? Kenjaku who was collecting information on everyone and has information Gojo and others didn't had anything on YuKi. Even Higher ups who gave her special grade title didn't know much about her. She pulling up for a bit and protecting them ≠ Kamo and others fully know about Yuki's speed.
Arkenis said:
Yuta's known to have beaten Geto, second to Gojo, and washed all of Kyoto, and he still wasn't faster than Naobito? That training in Africa is random, you couldn't tell me what he trained for.
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We know what he trained for: to regain his special grade status after being nuked to grade 4 when Rika left him. Yuta is a 50% CQC fighter, so it's not hard to say he also trained in his speed. Also, no one was watching when Yuta smoked Geto. There is no indication that Yuta went all out against some Grade 1 and lower noobs from Kyoto. Why are you assuming Yuta was going all out against them? Even the manga states it's one-sided.
Arkenis said:
Just that he could use pos energy outside the body.
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Never states it's only because of that.
Arkenis said:
The current Sukuna that has been fighting fight after fight? Having to use RCT constantly, thats the same Sukuna that blitzed Ryu?
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Sukuna when he fought Yuta he has better conditions.
Arkenis said:
When did Yuta train? How did he train? Yuta doesn't seem to think that training was worth anything considering how he answered Sukuna.
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He said cheated meaning highly likely trained inside Miyo's domain. He didn't say he didn't trained.
 
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Arkenis said:
What needs to be added https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Arkenis/sandboxforKusakabe?so=search
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Regarding SD. Damage reduction should be added for Kusakabe? Or limited Powernull for weakening Sukuna slashes output which targets him?
Also its not just speed enhancement. You should just write it as statistics amplification because overall CE output is getting amped inside his SD.
Vector Manipulation should work because of him having good knowledge on barrier techniques and he was able to shrink and expand his SD barriers conditions.
Also H2H combat should be added to his abilities.
 
Imma just spoiler tag it too
Arkenis said:
He's developed his curse energy control, he can be physically weak but his ce control is greater now.
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Prove that

Arkenis said:
Yuta wins through other means, likely just growing to perceive the speed, or domain, or tanking till Naoya can't use his ct. It's really not insane to think Yuta wins outside of speed lmao.
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Ok so he's barely squeeking out a win through getting beat the **** up...? Doesn't seem like the sorcerer second to Gojo

Arkenis said:
When did I say Yuta was using full speed? I just don't agree he was holding back speed. When did I say full power either?
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Ok so then it doesn't gatekeep Yuta's ratings, and that's a concession

Arkenis said:
Until Uraume goes all out and shows us their crazy lightning speed, bros staying a subsonic ice user.
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If something comes at you way faster than you expected, shown by the sonic boom happening right in front of their face. He still reacted perfectly, and just at the eye test you can see Uraume covered a very similar distance with their hand to block it as the PB did before reaching them. Also this, again, isn't all out Uraume, it's Uraume before the PB hit him and holidng back as he usually does vs modern day people, like he states.

It's like you handed me a 45lb dumbbell and told me "hey it's a 5." I'd be caught offguard by the weight, and probably drop it, since I didn't expect it to be heavy. But is 45lbs heavy for me when using my full strength? No, I can throw it around like it's nothing

Well yeah, Gojo's hyped speed seems to come from Blue not regular speed. And Sukuna was getting blitzed by Blue early on. Its similar to Shunshin in Naruto putting someone above someone they were otherwise relative to.
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OK NOW this is just a yap statement. Even if we wank Naobito's statements and say he's Mach 3 at peak because of them, Toji-level Maki can react and perceive that, while she can't react to a weakened Sukuna. Gojo's blue is never hyped up or brought up again

Arkenis said:
Oh yeah I'm done with it, I just dont know if anyone wanted to add more.
vsbattles.fandom.com

Arkenis/sandboxforMeiMei

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Wait also, can I edit this to add the newer renders? Also I wanna add the younger Mei Mei renders

I wanna add the season 2 art style Mei Mei render, since it looks better, and also the Hidden Inventory Mei Mei

Note: I already did this for a lot of the verse, like Geto, Todo, Miwa, etc
 
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EldemadeDityjon said:
Post the scan where his perception got blitzed instead of Gojo holding Sukuna with his Blue and trying to attack him. Gojo was overpowering Sukuna when he was concentrated on TS Adaptation; nothing in the series shows he was blitzing him. He was just kicking him here and there with Blue-amped fists. Sukuna was shown to block the attacks, but he was just getting thrown away. Also, Gojo's Blue is explicitly stated to be short-range teleportation, not speed in literal. Besides, Gojo's perception and combat speed didn't decrease when Blue was turned off, so either way, him using Blue or not shouldn't matter.
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That's still speed? Kenjaku says this, Sukuna notes its speed too. I don't know what else you're talking about.

EldemadeDityjon said:
Show me the scans where in the manga it was stated he went all out in Shibuya? Kenjaku who was collecting information on everyone and has information Gojo and others didn't had anything on YuKi. Even Higher ups who gave her special grade title didn't know much about her. She pulling up for a bit and protecting them ≠ Kamo and others fully know about Yuki's speed.
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You keep bringing up full speed but we don't know what's full speed for them and we don't know if its above someone else or not so I really don't know why it matters if she was full speed.

EldemadeDityjon said:
We know what he trained for: to regain his special grade status after being nuked to grade 4 when Rika left him. Yuta is a 50% CQC fighter, so it's not hard to say he also trained in his speed. Also, no one was watching when Yuta smoked Geto. There is no indication that Yuta went all out against some Grade 1 and lower noobs from Kyoto. Why are you assuming Yuta was going all out against them? Even the manga states it's one-sided.
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I never say going all out lmao.

EldemadeDityjon said:
Sukuna when he fought Yuta he has better conditions.
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I've entered Sukuna Kaisen

Guacamolefletcher said:
If something comes at you way faster than you expected, shown by the sonic boom happening right in front of their face. He still reacted perfectly, and just at the eye test you can see Uraume covered a very similar distance with their hand to block it as the PB did before reaching them. Also this, again, isn't all out Uraume, it's Uraume before the PB hit him and holidng back as he usually does vs modern day people, like he states.

It's like you handed me a 45lb dumbbell and told me "hey it's a 5." I'd be caught offguard by the weight, and probably drop it, since I didn't expect it to be heavy. But is 45lbs heavy for me when using my full strength? No, I can throw it around like it's nothing
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Uraume Kaisen ig. Why would Uraume hold back to such an extent? And Uraume wasn't caught off guard, he was outright saying the speed was fast, why would a lightning timer ever think that?
 
Arkenis said:
That's still speed? Kenjaku says this, Sukuna notes its speed too. I don't know what else you're talking about.
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Gojo's perception and combat speed didn't decrease when Blue was turned off, so either way, him using Blue or not shouldn't matter
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Arkenis said:
You keep bringing up full speed but we don't know what's full speed for them and we don't know if its above someone else or not so I really don't know why it matters if she was full speed.
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My main point is that Naobito, known for being the fastest in the Jujutsu society, shouldn't downgrade Yuki below him, especially considering she hasn't gone all out or showcased anything to the society. She might be faster or slower; no one knows that. She shouldn't be included in that so-called title list.

Honestly, I don't care about MHS, but my real problem is saying Maki and Naoya are cap to Jujutsu Kaisen speed. Even if high tiers scale to only supersonic, they should be scaled above Naoya and Maki, as well as Naobito.

Special Grade > Naobito
Uraume > Maki and Cursed Naoya
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
My main point is that Naobito, known for being the fastest in the Jujutsu society, shouldn't downgrade Yuki below him, especially considering she hasn't gone all out or showcased anything to the society. She might be faster or slower; no one knows that. She shouldn't be included in that so-called title list.
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She fought Kenjaku and alongside Choso? You're calling for a level of skepticism that isn't reasonable here. If Gege wanted her to be faster than Naobito, he'd have mentioned something or implied it along with other special grade sorcerers or something.

EldemadeDityjon said:
Honestly, I don't care about MHS, but my real problem is saying Maki and Naoya are cap to Jujutsu Kaisen speed. Even if high tiers scale to only supersonic, they should be scaled above Naoya and Maki, as well as Naobito.
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I mean they are though? They can scale above in some instances like Sukuna disappearing from Maki's sight but overall I don't see them being far higher. Like at most you're arguing for Sukuna and that's really it.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Special Grade > Naobito
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WOAH woah woah woah

Arkenis said:
She fought Kenjaku and alongside Choso? You're calling for a level of skepticism that isn't reasonable here. If Gege wanted her to be faster than Naobito, he'd have mentioned something or implied it along with other special grade sorcerers or something.
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TBF, that's Choso + brother amp, which has no anti feats for his speed. Yuki herself is relative to Kenjaku who is faster than piercing blood
 
Arkenis said:
Was it ever said Choso got faster?
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If a character gets an amp and keeps up with someone who previously blitzed him... why do you need a statement?

If a character gets an amp in general, they're not held back by their non-amped selves unless it's implied to be a small one
 
Arkenis said:
She fought Kenjaku and alongside Choso? You're calling for a level of skepticism that isn't reasonable here. If Gege wanted her to be faster than Naobito, he'd have mentioned something or implied it along with other special grade sorcerers or something.
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Injured Yuki fought Kenjaku alongside Choso not fully healed version. She was still doing way better than what awakened Choso was doing. Kenjaku was faster than Choso and his PB nonetheless.
Arkenis said:
I mean they are though? They can scale above in some instances like Sukuna disappearing from Maki's sight but overall I don't see them being far higher. Like at most you're arguing for Sukuna and that's really it.
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Not just for Sukuna, we clearly have Uraume's AOE attack blitzing Yuji and Maki, while Base Hakari was keeping up with all-out Uraume. Current Yuta > CT Kashimo >Base Kashimo > Base Hakari > Uraume's AOE attacks' speed, unless we assume that Hakari has gotten much faster during this time skip. If he is now at CT Kashimo's speed, then Yuta being comparable to, if not faster than, base Hakari. This would make Current Yuta & people relative to him > Maki ~ Cursed Naoya overall.

Even without this scaling chain pretty much Yuta has feats for going toe to toe with Sukuna better than what Maki did. So he would be faster than her either way.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
Nah. Sukuna would've blitzed Yuta just like he did against Maki. Different Sukunas.
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YukaSama4 said:
He wouldn't and even if he would, the Sukuna that fought Yuta is stronger than the one who fought Maki
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The Sukuna who fought Maki was not holding back like he was against Yuta. It's a two way argument.

Sukuna holding back but less weakened.

Sukuna not holding back but further weakened.

In any case, Maki would still scale to at least the same speed as Yuta given she now came back after eating a Black Flash and is kepting up with Yuji and Sukuna will likely recover faster to revert this weakened state.
 
YukaSama4 said:
He wouldn't and even if he would
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Also about this. Saying that Yuta has enough speed to react to a serious Sukuna blitz but not Maki implies that Yuta blitzes her. That's not the case. You're just plain wrong and this Maki downplay is honestly very annoying to deal.
YukaSama4 said:
No one can notice HR except for the six eyes
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It's up to you to prove it was a sneak attack.
 
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