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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

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Feel like this was a foreshadow for Sukuna changing his vessels if he wants. Would've been cool seeing more different vessels
 
I'll always consider this a virtual defeat for Sukuna. He was virtually defeated by them. Their plan worked perfectly and they had Sukuna on a choke point.

Sukuna just didn't instantly die after that Jacob's Ladder because of external stuff.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
I'll always consider this a virtual defeat for Sukuna. He was virtually defeated by them. Their plan worked perfectly and they had Sukuna on a choke point.

Sukuna just didn't instantly die after that Jacob's Ladder because of external stuff.
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yeah pretty much only took like half the cast

better than whats going on now cuse at this rate we really are only gonna have yuji left by the end of it... if that.


Honestly I'd be cutting megumi off right after higaruma, kashimo is a none factor he lives he dies doesn't matter, higaruma was the best shot at saving megumi and he got, got past that point I'd just nuke sukuna with jacob's ladder than have yuji smash his soul to bits and maki dice it up that same domain clash.
 
Sir_sun_man said:
yeah pretty much only took like half the cast
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I mean that's still a great feat. It's the strongest character of the verse fighting a bunch of 16 yo. It took the previous MC who's a ******* prodigy and number 2 in the modern era + the current MC to checkmate Sukuna.
Sir_sun_man said:
Honestly I'd be cutting megumi off right after higaruma, kashimo is a none factor he lives he dies doesn't matter, higaruma was the best shot at saving megumi and he got, got past that point I'd just nuke sukuna with jacob's ladder than have yuji smash his soul to bits and maki dice it up that same domain clash.
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I think that if your friends commit to save your life then you now have a responsability. Your sensei put up a fight against the strongest of all time, was beating his ass and then died to save you. Higuruma knew Megumi for like 1 month and was there trying to save him. Yuta had no business with Megumi, and yet he was there to save his ass and took a World Slash because Megumi refused.

So yeah nuke him already.
 
Quantu said:
JJK fans cannot read, or they read through TikTok. People legit think Megumi was gonna summon Mahoraga against Todo + Sukuna pulls out anti-techniques from the Heian Era every chapter lol
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dude liteally pulled only one technique that countered another character which was world slash, he hasn't reached into his ⬛ of goodies yet and people are talking about anti- this anti-that every chapter, I never understood where that meme came from or how it even makes any sense.
 
oh and btw came across this poll recently
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I know this is gonna sound heretical and all but I do have to give it to sukuna- NOW! NOW! PUT THE PITCH FORKS AND TORCHES DOWN! There is a reason as to why...

Madara for sure fought more people and stronger people in more bombastic fights.... but it didn't achive anything really, I mean no one other then neji (and it wasn't even by madara and stupid to boot) died, there were no real losses everyone came out of that fight relatively unscathed, there are no stakes everyone is gonna live in the end and half the people madara fought by the end where literally dead man from heaven no one was going to really die there even though a good chunk should've (kakashi, the 5 kage, guy and I wish sasuke but thats just me) instead all of the main cast came out alive and well, hell the pain arc had one of the best story beats in naruto and that was jiraiya's death, that was one of the best written and impactful moments in shonen period and everything that came after with pain destroying kanoha and killing tsunade and kakashi was also really well done but kishimoto just could let death stick and revived everyone making the whole invasion part of the arc moot since it did nothing other than destroy a bunch of buildings. Kaido is from one piece so that goes without saying (oda is allergic to death). With sukuna people are actually dying, not fake outs not oh I came back and you just nearly killed me, nah actual permenant death and that hits different because there are actual stakes now, you don't know if your favorite character will be the next on the chopping block, you have no Idea who will live and who will die and that is miles better than a simple waste of time for the sake of big fights.
 
M3X_2.0 said:
I’m sorry but 5 Kages fighting a clone is way too disrespectful
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disrespectful sure, did it achive anything overarching? nah all the kage where fine after a bit of time.

its basically like sukuna going "oh your thing is fire? lets have a quick contest than shall we?" vs Jogo, disrespectful true but much like the kage fight didn't really do much.
 
Sir_sun_man said:
oh and btw came across this poll recently
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I know this is gonna sound heretical and all but I do have to give it to sukuna- NOW! NOW! PUT THE PITCH FORKS AND TORCHES DOWN! There is a reason as to why...

Madara for sure fought more people and stronger people in more bombastic fights.... but it didn't achive anything really, I mean no one other then neji (and it wasn't even by madara and stupid to boot) died, there were no real losses everyone came out of that fight relatively unscathed, there are no stakes everyone is gonna live in the end and half the people madara fought by the end where literally dead man from heaven no one was going to really die there even though a good chunk should've (kakashi, the 5 kage, guy and I wish sasuke but thats just me) instead all of the main cast came out alive and well, hell the pain arc had one of the best story beats in naruto and that was jiraiya's death, that was one of the best written and impactful moments in shonen period and everything that came after with pain destroying kanoha and killing tsunade and kakashi was also really well done but kishimoto just could let death stick and revived everyone making the whole invasion part of the arc moot since it did nothing other than destroy a bunch of buildings. Kaido is from one piece so that goes without saying (oda is allergic to death). With sukuna people are actually dying, not fake outs not oh I came back and you just nearly killed me, nah actual permenant death and that hits different because there are actual stakes now, you don't know if your favorite character will be the next on the chopping block, you have no Idea who will live and who will die and that is miles better than a simple waste of time for the sake of big fights.
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Madara killed numerous ninjas? Ya just think someone important gotta die. Far as we know Hig and Yuta are likely still alive, and people dying really shouldn’t lessen the stakes. If group A loses, that means its only gonna get harder… group A lost to Sukuna, now its up to Maki, Maki lost now its up to Kusakabe, the difference between killing and losing is a pretty insignificant, both still propel us to the climax of the biggest, ultimate deciding fight. Look at it this way

Madara: Kages lose, now everyone’s gotta participate, most lose, now Guy and a few gotta fight, most lose, now the greatest fight, Naruto and Sasuke vs Madara happens

Sukuna: Gojo loses, now everyone’s gotta participate, Hig and Yuji lose, now its up to Yuji and Yuta, they lose, now its up to Maki, Maki lose, now Kusakabe’s gotta stall or something.

All of it still will lead to the last great fight and the deaths don’t change that.
 
Arkenis said:
Madara killed numerous ninjas?
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and sukuna slaughtered multiple city blocks does that have any impact? no, a character with no backround or well.. character is as unimportant as it gets, people don't care nor are they engaged if a villain slaughters a bunch fo nobodies, now if a main cast memeber drops it has a wholey different impact or are you gonna compare the death of jiraya to the 5 nation aliance canon fodder?
Arkenis said:
Ya just think someone important gotta die. Far as we know Hig and Yuta are likely still alive,
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Higaruma is confirmed dead multiple times, yuta is an unknown (but on the bring of death at the very least)
Arkenis said:
and people dying really shouldn’t lessen the stakes.
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yeah people dying doesn't lessen the stakes it increases them by a metric **** ton, because if a character gets knocked out during the fight with main big bad they can still come in later to do something, if they die there ain't no waking up last second, they gone and the more people drop the higher the stakes because it become a race against the villain; will your favorite characters be able to beat them before they kill all of them that is a scary and stakes filled game.
Arkenis said:
If group A loses, that means its only gonna get harder… group A lost to Sukuna, now its up to Maki, Maki lost now its up to Kusakabe, the difference between killing and losing is a pretty insignificant, both still propel us to the climax of the biggest, ultimate deciding fight. Look at it this way
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previouse answer applies here as well
Arkenis said:
Madara: Kages lose, now everyone’s gotta participate, most lose, now Guy and a few gotta fight, most lose, now the greatest fight, Naruto and Sasuke vs Madara happens
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cept, kage do lose but they come back latter down the line with multiple of them actually helping in the madara situation with gaara for example coming in clutch on multiple occasions, now imagine if madara killed the 5 kage, the situation is now a lot more dire 5 of the most powerful ninja's behind naruto and sasuke have just been taken of the board permenantly there is no getting help from them the stake are now considerably higher.
Arkenis said:
Sukuna: Gojo loses, now everyone’s gotta participate, Hig and Yuji lose, now its up to Yuji and Yuta, they lose, now its up to Maki, Maki lose, now Kusakabe’s gotta stall or something.
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Gojo dies meaning he can't comeback to clutch up against sukuna or to help the main cast save the MC, higaruma who was the best bet at saving everyone who was still alive and magumi to boot gets diced and dies, the best possible solution is off the chess board, yuji and yuta use the second best solution fail and yuta is either killed or put on the brink of death taking out the bishop and leaving the pawn's and rooks to fight against the king.

Killing the characters that provided the best possible solutions to the situation has increased the stakes through the roof to the point where half the fandom is not sure if the hero's will win or lose, if their favorites are going to live or die. THIS is stakes, THIS is exhilaration
Arkenis said:
All of it still will lead to the last great fight and the deaths don’t change that.
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They do, they always do.
 
Blackdragonq1 said:
So can an abstract attack bypass Gojo's infinity? ? I know you can get through this
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I mean depends on the abstract type, if the abstract is related to what gojo needs to live or some such then yeah a abstract/conceptual attack will mess his shit up.

For example if you can manipulate the concept of space you could manipulate the concept of the achele's paradox to cause the force to inverse and crush him instead of simply dividing the distance between him and others
 
Sir_sun_man said:
I mean depends on the abstract type, if the abstract is related to what gojo needs to live or some such then yeah a abstract/conceptual attack will mess his shit up.

For example if you can manipulate the concept of space you could manipulate the concept of the achele's paradox to cause the force to inverse and crush him instead of simply dividing the distance between him and others
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So for example Lille barron's X axis.
 
Sir_sun_man said:
and sukuna slaughtered multiple city blocks does that have any impact? no, a character with no backround or well.. character is as unimportant as it gets, people don't care nor are they engaged if a villain slaughters a bunch fo nobodies, now if a main cast memeber drops it has a wholey different impact or are you gonna compare the death of jiraya to the 5 nation aliance canon fodder?
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Complete bs. So many people talk about how the recent deaths weren't good and had no impact to them. And comparing Jiraiya's death to any death in JJK is hilarious. Jiraiya's death had impact because his character truly meant something and represented a major aspect of Naruto and the series as well.

Sir_sun_man said:
Higaruma is confirmed dead multiple times, yuta is an unknown (but on the bring of death at the very least)
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Yet no one seems to care about Hig's death. Not the characters and not the fans lmao.

Sir_sun_man said:
yeah people dying doesn't lessen the stakes it increases them by a metric **** ton, because if a character gets knocked out during the fight with main big bad they can still come in later to do something, if they die there ain't no waking up last second, they gone and the more people drop the higher the stakes because it become a race against the villain will your favorite characters be able to beat them before they kill all of them that is a scary and stakes filled game.
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Sir_sun_man said:
cept, kage do lose but they come back latter down the line with multiple of them actually helping in the madara situation with gaara for example coming in clutch on multiple occasions, now imagine if madara killed the 5 kage, the situation is now a lot more dire 5 of the most powerful ninja's behind naruto and sasuke have just been taken of the board permenantly there is no getting help from them the stake are now considerably higher.
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Sir_sun_man said:
Gojo dies meaning he can't comeback to clutch up against sukuna or to help the main cast save the MC, higaruma who was the best bet at saving everyone who was still alive and magumi to boot gets diced and dies, the best possible solution is off the chess board, yuji and yuta use the second best solution fail and yuta is either killed or put on the brink of death taking out the bishop and leaving the pawn's and rooks to fight against the king.

Killing the characters that provided the best possible solutions to the situation has increased the stakes through the roof to the point where half the fandom is not sure if the hero's will win or lose, if their favorites are going to live or die. THIS is stakes, THIS is exhilaration
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You're not understanding the flow of the events at their core. Their loss signals how much greater the last fight is going to be. Them not dying doesn't change this, that's the big thing here for Gege and Kishimoto. Kakashi dying or not dying doesn't change how big Naruto vs Pain was/is in the story. The kages coming back doesn't change how big Madara's revival was, it signaled a bigger moment for the story and Gaara helping doesn't lessen that.

Maybe just maybe, if Gege knew how to write a death poetically like Jiraiya's, you'd have a point about all these deaths being good and needed. And what we've seen, everyone provided a good solution, Gege just can't find which one he wants to stick, he's hopped from Hig, Yuta, Yuji and now Maki without any end in sight lmao. All this fight has going for it is the fact its unpredictable and that Gege can pull anything now.

Blackdragonq1 said:
So for example Lille barron's X axis.
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Yeah. That thing ignores logic, it doesn't require travel, its not a projectile, its spatial hax similar to world slash
 
Arkenis said:
Yeah. That thing ignores logic, it doesn't require travel, its not a projectile, its spatial hax similar to world slash
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Be realistic, Lille barro's intang would likely let him just walk through limitless as well given its him who'd penetrate the limitless
 
Arkenis said:
Complete bs. So many people talk about how the recent deaths weren't good and had no impact to them.
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yeah and many say the opposite thats a none argument if you have to relay on how others precive it to make your own sense on the matter
Arkenis said:
And comparing Jiraiya's death to any death in JJK is hilarious. Jiraiya's death had impact because his character truly meant something and represented a major aspect of Naruto and the series as well.
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Gojo's death sent the whole fandom into a craze, people where actually making him mamorials (weirdos to be honest) story wise to the main pilar of jujutsu, the man who has been a beacon of hope and safety just dropped death, to say that isn't reaching a similar level of impact is cope.
Arkenis said:
Yet no one seems to care about Hig's death. Not the characters and not the fans lmao.
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Cept people, for weeks after his death people where still saying he can comeback that he isn't dead ect. (not as much as gojo but what can you expect higaruma is more recent then gojo) hell even you where the first to bring up higaruma
Arkenis said:
You're not understanding the flow of the events at their core. Their loss signals how much greater the last fight is going to be. Them not dying doesn't change this, that's the big thing here for Gege and Kishimoto. Kakashi dying or not dying doesn't change how big Naruto vs Pain was/is in the story. The kages coming back doesn't change how big Madara's revival was, it signaled a bigger moment for the story and Gaara helping doesn't lessen that.
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Execept it does, it shows that despite all that power, despite all that know how and skill, madara is still unable to put a dent into the numbers of our heros, it shows that he may be so strong that he "could" kill them it shows to us that he won't kill them, that we don't have to worry about the characters we are invested into that they will rise up to the challange in the end and beat him and that is exactly what we get, no one in the main cast dies everything madara did only made our heros stronger and nothing else, with sukuna each one of our heros is in mortal danger, people we've been invested into from day one are no more safe than characters that where a recent introduction everyone is on the chopping block and you do not know where the knife is going to strike next.

As for pain and kakashi situation it absolutely does change the impact of naruto vs pain because that fight was about naruto's belief against pain's that no matter how dark the world around you gets you must never give in to that darkness and fight for peace despite the hatered that you no doubt feel for you enemy and in the end all fo that is reverted with a convinient "oh everyone can come back to life now" jutusu pull out of nowhere because all of that pain and hatered is instantly washed away into simple annoyance as now no one really got hurt other than the buildings. Tell me if pain revived jiraya by the end of the arc would that be satisfing or would that rob his previouse death of any and all meaning?
Arkenis said:
Maybe just maybe, if Gege knew how to write a death poetically like Jiraiya's, you'd have a point about all these deaths being good and needed. And what we've seen, everyone provided a good solution, Gege just can't find which one he wants to stick, he's hopped from Hig, Yuta, Yuji and now Maki without any end in sight lmao. All this fight has going for it is the fact its unpredictable and that Gege can pull anything now.
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because its a fight against the most powerful being alive and not a single one on one fight that has the time for poetic essays even though gege still makes the deaths poetic.

Gojo: a man recongnised by others for nothing but his own strength gets praised by the most powerful man to ever live who instead of focusing on how strong he was focused on him
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he didn't call him strong he didn't focus on anything but gojo himself and he will remember the man Gojo Satoru for as long as he lives

Kashimo a man who lived only for himself and recognised nothing but strength who sought love but couldn't understand it recived the knowledge that for people like him and sukuna the recognition of battle was the highest form of love
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and yet the king of curses doesn't care for love dashing kashimo's hopes of undersanding
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Higaruma a man who threw away his ideals during the chaos of the culling games who regretted it so much so that he lost his resolve to the point of him not being able to look into the eyes of an innocent man.
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found the resolve to fight to stand up for the innocent once again
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and died being able to look into the eyes of the innocent once more
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(maki isn't dead as of yet and yuta is unknown for the time being)
but if ya can't see the poetic undertones here then I don't know what to tell you my man.
 
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Arkenis said:
Yet no one seems to care about Hig's death. Not the characters and not the fans lmao.
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I don't care about whose death is better, Naruto's or JJk's, because I don't have enough time to argue about that. But what you're saying here is not true.

Higuruma's death impacted Sukuna himself, questioning why he is feeling sad because of his death. Yuji also felt sad. He has fewer fans and less screentime; you can't go around appealing to the audience for that. If we want to talk about the audience going crazy over a character's death, Gojo's death most likely had more impact than any Naruto or Boruto character's death.

Why compare Higuruma, a side character with less screentime, to Jiraiya, who was technically Naruto's teacher from the beginning? Why not compare Gojo's death to his? If you need a popularity contest?
Arkenis said:
Maybe just maybe, if Gege knew how to write a death poetically like Jiraiya's, you'd have a point about all these deaths being good and needed. And what we've seen, everyone provided a good solution, Gege just can't find which one he wants to stick, he's hopped from Hig, Yuta, Yuji and now Maki without any end in sight lmao. All this fight has going for it is the fact its unpredictable and that Gege can pull anything now.
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Also I would say Nanami's death > Jiraya's death when comes to emotional POV but like I said I don't have enough time to argue with this. So whatever.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
I don't care about whose death is better, Naruto's or JJk's, because I don't have enough time to argue about that. But what you're saying here is not true.

Higuruma's death impacted Sukuna himself, questioning why he is feeling sad because of his death. Yuji also felt sad. He has fewer fans and less screentime; you can't go around appealing to the audience for that. If we want to talk about the audience going crazy over a character's death, Gojo's death most likely had more impact than any Naruto or Boruto character's death.

Why compare Higuruma, a side character with less screentime, to Jiraiya, who was technically Naruto's teacher from the beginning? Why not compare Gojo's death to his? If you need a popularity contest?

Also I would say Nanami's death > Jiraya's death when comes to emotional POV but like I said I don't have enough time to argue with this. So whatever.
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don't agree with the last point at all but other than that spot on.
 
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