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[R2M4] Conrad vs Ako [GRACE]

Ako stomps in LS and is 4x stronger than Conrad AP wise. He also has a very wide arsenal, so reactive evolution may not work quick enough to counter. Ako is also a genius and at least gifted in combat, taking on people with Analytical Prediction/Precog. There’s also the fact that Conrad’s Reactive Evolution can only work biological or physical hax things, so Ako being a cyborg may disrupt that. Check is as fast as his transformation which is faster than his attacks as well. Seems like an assured Ako win here.
 
MintyBoi1 said:
Ako stomps in LS and is 4x stronger than Conrad AP wise. He also has a very wide arsenal, so reactive evolution may not work quick enough to counter.
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It’s instant, the moment they start the fight they are equals
 
Well Ako goes form by form, meaning the second he adapts to one thing, he loses the advantage of adapting to the other thing, no?
 
MintyBoi1 said:
Well Ako goes form by form, meaning the second he adapts to one thing, he loses the advantage of adapting to the other thing, no?
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No, he adapts to moves as they happen.

Stat amps also are adapted, you know the pokemon move Psych Up? It’s like that but passively.
 
So basically stats mean nothing. Still, Ako has far more abilities and range plus likely combat skill to carry him along. He could defend from anything Conrad does and wear him down until he can get a sure fire kill.
 
MintyBoi1 said:
Ako has far more abilities and range plus likely combat skill to carry him along. He could defend from anything Conrad does and wear him down until he can get a sure fire kill.
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Here let me lay out my arguments before we go gun-ho
 
Ako has multiple ways to defend the gun maneuvers Conrad did in round 1, especially by using Shield Grenades. Stacking those with Bubble and approaching with his other forms doesn’t leave much room for Conrad to find an opening, especially since Ako’s transformation speed is faster than Conrad can react to.

He doesn’t have resistance to plasma, anesthetics, or being frozen which are Ako’s most common choices when attacking
 
So, in terms of reactive evolution. As soon as a fight starts they are equal in power, and his weapons scale with his own.

The moment Ako uses an ability, his body automatically adapts to handle it. If an ability is like plasma that burns insanely hot, his body with adapt to make it scratch or bruise him instead of burning.

You try to freeze him solid? His body goes into overdrive to melt the ice before it incapsulates him.

The only thing Conrad cannot adapt to is metaphysical ability. Things that don’t actually have a physical form, like Spatial Manipulation or Soul Manipulation.

In terms of skill, Conrad and Rudy went from barely trained boxers, into outscaling every soldier, general, leader, and creature in a solar system at war. We are talking about 3 planets with millions fighting against planetary scales wars and strategy that see that number as “decent”.

As for force-fields, what stops him from teleporting a grenade behind his head while in the force-field?

Edit: The game also takes place in a timescale of weeks, in which Conrand and Rudy don’t actually get to rest during it.
 
There any chance Ako just outlasts Conrad? He can get energy from the whole city and potentially go on for hours.
 
GreyFang82 said:
The moment Ako uses an ability, his body automatically adapts to handle it. If an ability is like plasma that burns insanely hot, his body with adapt to make it scratch or bruise him instead of burning.
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The plasma would melt him, not just burn, in addition, it’s not just a blanket thing, it causes a large explosion which itself will do good damage

GreyFang82 said:
You try to freeze him solid? His body goes into overdrive to melt the ice before it incapsulates him.
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Ako’s nanobugs should deal with this. They are able to persist through extreme heat, and if they get inside, they can cause critical damage before Conrad changes
GreyFang82 said:
As for force-fields, what stops him from teleporting a grenade behind his head while in the force-field?
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Ako can fight against Vacteria, who is able to nearly perfectly place attack barrages in places her enemy will dodge to before they make the motion to do it. Despite this, Ako can still dodge those and react accordingly. Something like this, although impressive, isn’t gonna do much. It would immediately be on Ako’s scanners, which would allow him time to activate a shield emerging from his core, making it so that if the grenade isn’t within less than an atom of distance, his shield blocks it pretty easily.

Conrad also has no enhanced senses, extrasensory, or precognition like Cinner did in round 1. So with careful timing and patient play, Conrad will be sniped by Check, which he would need minimum High-Mid regen to survive (he caps at high-low). No amount of adapting is gonna help Conrad survive that because he doesn’t have the above abilities
 
LeoEpicGamer8910 said:
The place is evacuated. The power should be out.
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This shouldn’t matter either, since Ako takes energy directly from the source. Z-City was completely empty and Drive Knight could also still sap the energy he needed
 
Ako can take the energy even with a power outage, so it doesn’t matter anyway 🗿
 
“The plasma would melt him, not just burn, in addition, it’s not just a blanket thing, it causes a large explosion which itself will do good damage”

It would cause a body wise bruise… and then heal because of his regen.

“Ako’s nanobugs should deal with this. They are able to persist through extreme heat, and if they get inside, they can cause critical damage before Conrad changes”

I mean, it adapts as soon as it’s deployed, it’s passive. Otherwise every attack the first time used would kill him, especially from Fang’s shockwave attack would have shredded his internal organs. When they were glorified 10-A before meeting him.

Edit: Didn’t mean to post yet, got more to say
 
“Conrad also has no enhanced senses, extrasensory, or precognition like Cinner did in round 1. So with careful timing and patient play, Conrad will be sniped by Check, which he would need minimum High-Mid regen to survive (he caps at high-low). No amount of adapting is gonna help Conrad survive that because he doesn’t have the above abilities”

That bullet will bruise his head and then regenerate from the bruise.

Keep in mind as well, each time he adapts to a new thing that would “incinerate him” or “blow his brains out” that’s his new minimum. If you aren’t spamming that level of damage from then on, you aren’t doing anything other than scratching him.
 
GreyFang82 said:
“Conrad also has no enhanced senses, extrasensory, or precognition like Cinner did in round 1. So with careful timing and patient play, Conrad will be sniped by Check, which he would need minimum High-Mid regen to survive (he caps at high-low). No amount of adapting is gonna help Conrad survive that because he doesn’t have the above abilities”

That bullet will bruise his head and then regenerate from the bruise.

Keep in mind as well, each time he adapts to a new thing that would “incinerate him” or “blow his brains out” that’s his new minimum. If you aren’t spamming that level of damage from then on, you aren’t doing anything other than scratching him.
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Yeah no, he’s instantly dead by Check. Check is like two walls with large spikes poking out which will slam him at a speed that blitz’s his reactions, not a bullet. It’s a trap move. If it was a bullet, I’d give you the adaptation, but given he has no way to survive the initial Check attack, that’s it. It’s full body fatal spike damage, and again, is well beyond his speed/capacity
 
Check is an entire wall of spikes, unless he can adapt a new set of vital organs, Conrad should die if he lets himself be hit by that
 
VeneficaAuthor said:
Yeah no, he’s instantly dead by Check. Check is like two walls with large spikes poking out which will slam him at a speed that blitz’s his reactions, not a bullet. It’s a trap move. If it was a bullet, I’d give you the adaptation, but given he has no way to survive the initial Check attack, that’s it. It’s full body fatal spike damage, and again, is well beyond his speed/capacity
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Oh! That’s worse!
MintyBoi1 said:
Check is an entire wall of spikes, unless he can adapt a new set of vital organs, Conrad should die if he lets himself be hit by that
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Yeah, well that wall of spikes just amped Conrad to blitz levels of speed vs Ako.
VeneficaAuthor said:
If this is the case then Conrad is too OP for the tourney 💀💀
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No, he matches the peak of the competitor.

This wall of spikes gave Conrad blitz level speed vs Ako. If you have blitz level amps or one-shot amps or anything described as such Conrad will use your easy win card against you.
 
GreyFang82 said:
Oh! That’s worse!

Yeah, well that wall of spikes just amped Conrad to blitz levels of speed vs Ako.

No, he matches the peak of the competitor.

This wall of spikes gave Conrad blitz level speed vs Ako. If you have blitz level amps or one-shot amps or anything described as such Conrad will use your easy win card against you.
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Check literally hits him first
 
To put this into perspective, Conrad and Rudy went from normal human speed, 10-A goobers to 7-C reacting to the speed of sound from one attack that would have blitzed and killed him otherwise.

Then speed of sound to high hypersonic, then to relativistic
 
Ok so he not only adapts to Ako’s stats, but also attacks faster than Ako? What about when Ako uses another move, shouldn’t he change back and leave us at square one?
 
GreyFang82 said:
To put this into perspective, Conrad and Rudy went from normal human speed, 10-A goobers to 7-C reacting to the speed of sound from one attack that would have blitzed and killed him otherwise.
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Check still hits him first

He would have to adapt before it’s used to have any hope. Again, no enhanced or extrasensory or precog, i.e., Conrad can’t react in time and check still beats him
 
MintyBoi1 said:
Ok so he not only adapts to Ako’s stats, but also attacks faster than Ako? What about when Ako uses another move, shouldn’t he change back and leave us at square one?
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If that was the case they would be all stated as 10-A not the peak of their previously toughest opponents.

It’s accumulative
 
So what’s he do against True Faith, can’t Ako just camp him out since he’s unkillable?
 
VeneficaAuthor said:
Check still hits him first

He would have to adapt before it’s used to have any hope. Again, no enhanced or extrasensory or precog, i.e., Conrad can’t react in time and check still beats him
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His reactive evolution is passive, he would have died to each world boss who is thousands of times faster than them on their first attack if it wasn’t both passive and instant.
 
GreyFang82 said:
His reactive evolution is passive, he would have died to each world boss who is thousands of times faster than them on their first attack if it wasn’t both passive and instant.
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Ok

“Hax will be judged on a case-by-case basis, but try to keep it at the lower end of the spectrum” is in the rules. Based on the arguments so far, the only thing Conrad can’t adapt to are high hax like soul and spatial abilities. This essentially means he is unbeatable by the rest of the tourney competition. How is this allowed?
 
VeneficaAuthor said:
Ok

“Hax will be judged on a case-by-case basis, but try to keep it at the lower end of the spectrum” is in the rules. Based on the arguments so far, the only thing Conrad can’t adapt to are high hax like soul and spatial abilities. This essentially means he is unbeatable by the rest of the tourney competition. How is this allowed?
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How about, don’t give your characters amps that blitz or one-shot others…?

Also regen negation ***** him. Can’t adapt to negations.
 
GreyFang82 said:
Maybe, how long can he stay that way?

Conrad can fight for weeks without rest as expressed in game.
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Ako could do something like this as long as he times his energy runs well, since even one powerline can restore his exhaustion back to full, and he can run in a single form like True Faith for longer than if he’s always switching like normal

GreyFang82 said:
If Ako can stay invincible for 2 weeks, he’s got it.
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Not exactly invincible, but he can extend his stamina for this long with a city worth of energy sources

Conrad would have to try and get him in the middle of him restoring his energy, but Bubble and True Faith’s general abilities should help this too
 
GreyFang82 said:
How about, don’t give your characters amps that blitz or one-shot others…?
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To be fair, there are characters that can actually survive Check fairly well in this tourney, like his first round enemy Cinner and fellow competitor Vacteria
 
VeneficaAuthor said:
To be fair, there are characters that can actually survive Check fairly well in this tourney, like his first round enemy Cinner and fellow competitor Vacteria
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Right, regardless Conrad inadvertently hard counters blitz and one-shot ampers

The main issue with Ako’s win via outlasting him is that, if Ako ever uses Check, Conrad blitzes him for the rest of the match.
 
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