The Amazing Digital Circus HUGE AP UPGRADE

[King_Dom470]

Is there anything for Ragatha being Harmed by any known member of the cast besides Kaufmo?

Well that one clip of the axe being thrown into her head had to be thrown by someone and the cast is relatively small so it had to be one of them. Plus again theres nothing she does that puts her above the cast no statements no nothing, Not that this means a ton either but even Pomni was able to indirectly knock everybody over.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Well that one clip of the axe being thrown into her head had to be thrown by someone and the cast is relatively small so it had to be one of them. Plus again theres nothing she does that puts her above the cast no statements no nothing, Not that this means a ton either but even Pomni was able to indirectly knock everybody over.

What if it was Caine? Who currently has very little scaling whatsoever?

What if it was one of the many things Caine can make? What if those things just don't scale?

We don't know, so we shouldn't just assume.

 

[Imaginym]

Is there anything for Ragatha being Harmed by any known member of the cast besides Kaufmo?

Other than Jax tripping her -Which I dismiss- I don't think so....

But thinking on about it, some questions do come to mind:

1. What is the rating for Kaufmo's feat that Ragatha is to downscale from that's apparently too high/outlier-ish for the rest of the cast?
2. Have calculations for Jax's bowling ball throw, & the collision of Gangle & Kinger through the bowling pin Gloinks been calculated?

If the issue is the other performers apparently lacking feats with yields close to Ragatha, shouldn't we indeed make sure of their actual values?
If some, or the majority of the cast have feats with similar values to where Ragatha scales to, that'd make it less outlier-ish, right?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Other than Jax tripping her -Which I dismiss- I don't think so....

But thinking on about it, some questions do come to mind:

1. What is the rating for Kaufmo's feat that Ragatha is to downscale from that's apparently too high/outlier-ish for the rest of the cast?
2. Have calculations for Jax's bowling ball throw, & the collision of Gangle & Kinger through the bowling pin Gloinks been calculated?

If the issue is the other performers apparently lacking feats with yields close to Ragatha, shouldn't we indeed make sure of their actual values?
If some, or the majority of the cast have feats with similar values to where Ragatha scales to, that'd make it less outlier-ish, right?

Uh, that's not my problem, it's that nobody ******* does shit to Ragatha besides Kaufmo lol

 

[Imaginym]

Well that one clip of the axe being thrown into her head had to be thrown by someone and the cast is relatively small so it had to be one of them. Plus again theres nothing she does that puts her above the cast no statements no nothing, Not that this means a ton either but even Pomni was able to indirectly knock everybody over.

Technically, those dominos only involved Pomni, Jax, Kinger & Gangle.
Caine, Bubble, Zooble & Ragatha did not get collided with.
The fact that the majority of the performers handled the collision mostly fine does seem notable. Gangle's Comedy Mask was broken, but IIRC, there's an official statement from either GlitchX or Gooseworx that her Comedy Mask is more fragile than her Tragedy Mask.

Uh, that's not my problem, it's that nobody ******* does shit to Ragatha besides Kaufmo lol

I apologize for bothering you, but....
Well, you are arguing in favor of not scaling the others to Ragatha because her feats are so much higher than everyone else's other than Abstracted Kaufmo's.
I was bringing up that we should calculate the other feats to ascertain how different in yields the other performer's feats are, so as to determine if Ragatha really is problematically higher than the others, as your position asserts.

& yes, nobody interacts with Abstracted Kaufmo other than Ragatha. (& Pomni, who flees him & Caine who removes him.)
But we aren't concerned with scaling to Kaufmo, we're concerned with scaling to Ragatha who downscales from Kaufmo, no?
& either way, you don't need to interact with someone to necessarily get close to the yield of their feats.

Again, sorry to bother.
I wasn't trying to ask you to calculate the feats or such.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I apologize for bothering you, but....
Well, you are arguing in favor of not scaling the others to Ragatha because her feats are so much higher than everyone else's other than Abstracted Kaufmo's.
I was bringing up that we should calculate the other feats to ascertain how different in yields the other performer's feats are, so as to determine if Ragatha really is problematically higher than the others, as your position asserts.

& yes, nobody interacts with Abstracted Kaufmo other than Ragatha. (& Pomni, who flees him & Caine who removes him.)
But we aren't concerned with scaling to Kaufmo, we're concerned with scaling to Ragatha who downscales from Kaufmo, no?
& either way, you don't need to interact with someone to necessarily get close to the yield of their feats.

Again, sorry to bother.
I wasn't trying to ask you to calculate the feats or such.

No, Imagin, I wasn't. Ragatha's durability scaling could be 2 Kilojoules or 50 gigatons and my stance here wouldn't change, if nobody harms her, we shouldn't just assume they actually can harm her or scale to her durability.

 

[Imaginym]

No, Imagin, I wasn't. Ragatha's durability scaling could be 2 Kilojoules or 50 gigatons and my stance here wouldn't change, if nobody harms her, we shouldn't just assume they actually can harm her or scale to her durability.

Just because she has... feats of interacting with another character doesn't?
Or because no one else has harmed her?

You would think no one should be assumed comparable to her, nor scale to her downscaled point even if they, theoretically, got a calc within like, half of her downscaled point?
Even in spite of things like this statement from creator Gooseworx from GlitchX?:

Q: Can the characters feel pain?
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goose: ".. they can get cut up, they can get stabbed, they can do any of that. i like to think that they feel a little less physical pain then you would in the real world just because .. they do so many cartoony wacky things and like .. maybe feeling less pain would be more like existentially terrifying "
why would caine program them to feel pain?
goose: " .. because he feels like he should, he's not a very good ai. he's-because if you take away pain they go insane. "
goose: "have you seen that where people are in a room alone, and like-there's a button that shocks 'em and they always press the button twice? because they'd rather feel pain than be bored. ever seen darkman? he can't feel, it's crazy!"


GW doesn't specify Ragatha there, yet mentions them getting cut up, stabbed, etc., similar to Ragatha getting an axe thrown into her.
(Or maybe Pomni seeming okay after Caine threw knives into her, but I'd need to review that.)

 

[DaReaperMan]

Just because she has... feats of interacting with another character doesn't?
Or because no one else has harmed her?

Because nobody has harmed her yet.

You would think no one should be assumed comparable to her, nor scale to her downscaled point even if they, theoretically, got a calc within like, half of her downscaled point?
Even in spite of things like this statement from creator Gooseworx from GlitchX?:

Q: Can the characters feel pain?
----
goose: ".. they can get cut up, they can get stabbed, they can do any of that. i like to think that they feel a little less physical pain then you would in the real world just because .. they do so many cartoony wacky things and like .. maybe feeling less pain would be more like existentially terrifying "
why would caine program them to feel pain?
goose: " .. because he feels like he should, he's not a very good ai. he's-because if you take away pain they go insane. "
goose: "have you seen that where people are in a room alone, and like-there's a button that shocks 'em and they always press the button twice? because they'd rather feel pain than be bored. ever seen darkman? he can't feel, it's crazy!"


GW doesn't specify Ragatha there, yet mentions them getting cut up, stabbed, etc., similar to Ragatha getting an axe thrown into her.
(Or maybe Pomni seeming okay after Caine threw knives into her, but I'd need to review that.)

You can get cut and stabbed and be 9-A, if anything, that'd be WoG reason to not make Ragatha's durability 9-A if we want to go the 9-C route of that

 

[StretchSebe]

No, Imagin, I wasn't. Ragatha's durability scaling could be 2 Kilojoules or 50 gigatons and my stance here wouldn't change, if nobody harms her, we shouldn't just assume they actually can harm her or scale to her durability.

There's various instances of the main cast interacting with each other violently, and examples of being relative to one another provided in this thread. Nothing indicates Ragatha is any different from rest of this main cast just because she was isolated from them after they split up, and after the Kaufmo reveal in the pilot.

So when discussing downscaling, she is subjected to an Abstracted Kaufmo, and nothing indicates she's special.

Q: Can the characters feel pain?
----
goose: ".. they can get cut up, they can get stabbed, they can do any of that. i like to think that they feel a little less physical pain then you would in the real world just because .. they do so many cartoony wacky things and like .. maybe feeling less pain would be more like existentially terrifying "
why would caine program them to feel pain?
goose: " .. because he feels like he should, he's not a very good ai. he's-because if you take away pain they go insane. "
goose: "have you seen that where people are in a room alone, and like-there's a button that shocks 'em and they always press the button twice? because they'd rather feel pain than be bored. ever seen darkman? he can't feel, it's crazy!"


GW doesn't specify Ragatha there.

Also this. This was from a very recent Q&A, but it is still a direct statement on the main cast's predicament. Or quality of being I guess, with regard to pain.

You can get cut and stabbed and be 9-A, if anything, that'd be WoG reason to not make Ragatha's durability 9-A if we want to go the 9-C route of that

Odd take away from their answer.

In your own words, you can get cut and stabbed, and still be 9-A. Ragatha's certainly been casually cut with an axe as we've established. What's the problem there?

 

[DaReaperMan]

There's various instances of the main cast interacting with each other violently, and examples of being relative to one another provided in this thread. Nothing indicates Ragatha is any different from rest of this main cast just because she was isolated from them after they split up, and after the Kaufmo reveal in the pilot.

So when discussing downscaling, she is subjected to an Abstracted Kaufmo, and nothing indicates she's special.

And nothing Indicates beyond assumptions that, say, Jax can harm her with a punch.

If Ragatha gets Harmed by pretty much anyone (such as say, Pomni or Kingler), then yeah, scale the cast to it, until then, no. Sorry mate, I'm not the guy to fly blatant assumptions by,

Odd take away from their answer.

In your own words, you can get cut and stabbed, and still be 9-A. Ragatha's certainly been casually cut with an axe as we've established. What's the problem there?

I said "if we want to go the 9-C route of that", read my post thoroughly, I never yay'd or nay'd the thing other than "yeah it doesn't really matter"

 

[Imaginym]

Because nobody has harmed her yet.

I'm of the position that if they have feats with similar enough yields, comparability can be assumed.

You can get cut and stabbed and be 9-A, if anything, that'd be WoG reason to not make Ragatha's durability 9-A if we want to go the 9-C route of that

Cutting & stabbing are piercing, & one requires very high durability or such to not be harmed by, no? At least, from a VS Debating standpoint.
I think the point of GW's response was to establish they're all similarly damage tolerant in spite of their capacity for pain, in a toony manner. Hence listing multiple methods of harm -Like with a list you might end with "etcetera"- & saying "cartoony wacky things".

But we aren't proposing to scale Ragatha to 9-A, no? You earlier expressed agreeability to "massively downscaling" Ragatha from Kaufmo's feat.
Hence why I'm interested in what values we're scaling to & from.
If Ragatha is to massively downscale, then we should consider how similar in yield her scaling points are to the other performers.

As mentioned, most of the other performers can harm one another implying they're comparable to one another, suggesting most performers are mutually comparable. From at least a narrative standpoint, I'm not sure why Ragatha exclusively would be considered stronger.
If they have feats in the same range, all the better.
Hence my tolerance of the assumption.

 

[King_Dom470]

And nothing Indicates beyond assumptions that, say, Jax can harm her with a punch.

I mean you’re kinda also assuming that Ragatha is for some reason over 80 thousand times stronger which is kinda ridiculous because why would that be the case? We're just kinda trading one assumption for another and honestly it should be assumed that they're all similar to each other as a base.

 

[King_Dom470]

bump

 

[DaReaperMan]

But we aren't proposing to scale Ragatha to 9-A, no? You earlier expressed agreeability to "massively downscaling" Ragatha from Kaufmo's feat.
Hence why I'm interested in what values we're scaling to & from.
If Ragatha is to massively downscale, then we should consider how similar in yield her scaling points are to the other performers.

The highest feats we have are 9-C cause KE doesn't work unless you're over like 200 KG.

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Ragatha would be downscaling from 9-A based on the current(albeit mistaken) calc.

As mentioned, most of the other performers can harm one another implying they're comparable to one another, suggesting most performers are mutually comparable. From at least a narrative standpoint, I'm not sure why Ragatha exclusively would be considered stronger.
Hence my tolerance of the assumption

I still don't like it lol

I mean you’re kinda also assuming that Ragatha is for some reason over 80 thousand times stronger which is kinda ridiculous because why would that be the case? We're just kinda trading one assumption for another and honestly it should be assumed that they're all similar to each other as a base.

She doesnt scale in AP Dom lmfao, she's that much more durable

"We're trading one assumption for another" applies when you're trying to make everybody 80 thousand times stronger then any feat we got that can be calced

 

[StretchSebe]

"We're trading one assumption for another" applies when you're trying to make everybody 80 thousand times stronger then any feat we got that can be calced

The difference is the burden of proof on the end of upgrading is that context from within the pilot, and external to the series itself from the creator themself supports that all the human characters are relative to one another, and durability from one of said main cast being enough to handle Kaufmo has a calculation behind it.

So, the burden of proof on your end is to provide why either A. This one character is somehow actually different or special from the main cast, in spite of the information provided from the show, and from the creator themself, and/or B. What is actually wrong with the math/feat that would make it unusable for durability.

 

[King_Dom470]

She doesnt scale in AP Dom lmfao, she's that much more durable

"We're trading one assumption for another" applies when you're trying to make everybody 80 thousand times stronger then any feat we got that can be calced

But she should tho? Everyone is shown to be comparable to each other such as being able to harm each other and if they are able to harm each and are all comparable in durability to Ragatha (Which they should be) then they would also have 9-A attack potency.

 

[DaReaperMan]

The difference is the burden of proof on the end of upgrading is that context from within the pilot, and external to the series itself from the creator themself supports that all the human characters are relative to one another, and durability from one of said main cast being enough to handle Kaufmo has a calculation behind it.

Let's go then, show me one feat from the main cast above 9-C that isn't from Abstracted Kaufmo.

Oh, right. Everything is 9-C or lower. Or uncalcable.

Also, do show that all main characters are comparable to eachother here, I haven't seen anything to suggest that to be true, "they can all be hurt with a stab" doesn't really mean anything for comparability people!

So, the burden of proof on your end is to provide why either A. This one character is somehow actually different or special from the main cast, in spite of the information provided from the show, and from the creator themself, or B. What is actually wrong with the math/feat that would make it unusable for durability.

Ragatha doesn't even scale to the feat because Kaufmo didn't bodyslam her and she isn't big enough to wistand the full energy of that even if Kaufmo did.

Boom, feat can't be used for anybody but Kaufmo, and nothing from Ragatha can be calced, so she ends up 9-C at best cause she does nothing to anybody. Game over.

But she should tho? Everyone is shown to be comparable to each other such as being able to harm each other and if they are able to harm each and are all comparable in durability to Ragatha (Which they should be) then they would also have 9-A attack potency.

Show me one of the cast not named Kaufmo harming Ragatha

 

[King_Dom470]

Show me one of the cast not named Kaufmo harming Ragatha

Again just because we never see it doesn’t mean anything, she has nothing that would make us think she's any stronger than anyone else. Nobody mentions anything theres not even any implication that she's stronger and it's ridiculous to assume that she is.

But there is the cleaver that was thrown into her head by an Unknown Character but honestly it was probably Jax

 

[DaReaperMan]

Again just because we never see it doesn’t mean anything, she has nothing that would make us think she's any stronger than anyone else. Nobody mentions anything theres not even any implication that she's stronger and it's ridiculous to assume that she is.

It's more ridiculous to assume scaling that's not stated or shown in my opinion

I know it aint exactly a popular opinion, but hey, ya'll are trying to use duct tape and prayers to scale a verse fhat only has 1 episode right now.

But there is the cleaver that was thrown into her head by an Unknown Character but honestly it was probably Jax

Probably.

probably.

But we don't know to continue arguing like a bull-headed *******

 

[StretchSebe]

Let's go then, show me one feat from the main cast above 9-C that isn't from Abstracted Kaufmo.

Oh, right. Everything is 9-C or lower. Or uncalcable.

Also, do show that all main characters are comparable to eachother here, I haven't seen anything to suggest that to be true, "they can all be hurt with a stab" doesn't really mean anything for comparability people!

So you don't have any proof against, and just don't care to engage with the proof at least three users have been providing you for the upgrade?

You could have admit that with less text.

Ragatha doesn't even scale to the feat because Kaufmo didn't bodyslam her and she isn't big enough to wistand the full energy of that even if Kaufmo did.

Boom, feat can't be used for anybody but Kaufmo, and nothing from Ragatha can be calced, so she ends up 9-C at best cause she does nothing to anybody. Game over.

Because Kaufmo doesn't do a specific attack on her, and also something about her not being of 'big enough...'

I'm not sure what kind of logic this is, but it's pretty bizarre.

A character can exert their physicality (AP/Striking Strength/KE) without necessarily having to use some sort of specific move.

Size doesn't always correlate to stats or tier either. There are some very small characters well beyond this power level, and often in fiction smaller characters can survive and even win skirmishes, or even proper fights with larger characters.

But we don't know to continue arguing like a bull-headed *******

That's on you, man.

 

[King_Dom470]

Probably.

probably.

But we don't know to continue arguing like a bull-headed *******

Who the **** else would it be? Even if it’s not Jax it has to be someone so my point still stands

 

[DaReaperMan]

So you don't have any proof against, and just don't care to engage with the proof at least three users have been providing you for the upgrade?

You could have admit that with less text.

Spoken as the one who's allergic to tangible proof it seems.

Because Kaufmo doesn't do a specific attack on her, and also something about her not being of 'big enough...'

I'm not sure what kind of logic this is, but it's pretty bizarre.

A character can exert their physicality (AP/Striking Strength/KE) without necessarily having to use some sort of specific move.

Size doesn't always correlate to stats or tier either. There are some very small characters well beyond this power level, and often in fiction smaller characters can survive and even win skirmishes, or even proper fights with larger characters.

Body slamming someone generates more energy than punching them Sebe. This is why you can't just say "oh they tanked a train hitting them!" Because they took only a part of that train's energy. But in this case, with Kaufmo, Ragatha tanked a small fraction of the energy cause she only took one-armed hits.

We could've calced those hits to Ragatha if we like, had anything tangible to get Kaufmo's mass beyond "he's 1s and 0s", which tells us jack shit. Least with Ragatha we can assume she's some kind of doll, possibly a Raggedy Ann for inspiration, but she's not gonna be over 200 Kilograms so we can't calc her KE

Who the **** else would it be? Even if it’s not Jax it has to be someone so my point still stands

Caine. He's shown willingness to thrown bladed objects at people.

Something Caine makes, since Jax states he makes NPCs when Pomni comes into the picture, implying they do act something like people often times(even seen with the Gloink Queen)

 

[King_Dom470]

Caine. He's shown willingness to thrown bladed objects at people.

When? And it was in the middle of a character introduction thingy which he probably wouldn’t like being interrupted

 

[DaReaperMan]

When?

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Like bro.

do you even Amazing Digital Circus Bro?

And it was in the middle of a character introduction thingy which he probably wouldn’t like being interrupted

He seems pretty chill with Ragatha in Jax's introduction and someone breaking Gangle's comedy mask during it, so...

 

[King_Dom470]

He seems pretty chill with Ragatha in Jax's introduction and someone breaking Gangle's comedy mask during it, so...

“Chill” sure but I doubt they’re singing their intros for their health. Caine is 100% forcing them to sing meaning he probably wants them to do stuff like that so why would he interrupt them

 

[Imaginym]

I had been rewatching the episode -Or rather, a Youtuber's reaction to it- & noticed something.



At about 11:42, Abstracted Kaufmo is partially through the doorway, then lunges forward, hitting both Ragatha & Pomni. Pomni is knocked to the side, while Ragatha is on the floor literally with her back to the wall, with many of Abstracted Kaufmo's eyes on her.

Pomni gets up & flees almost immediately after this blow from Abstracted Kaufmo.

May be notable for the scaling & this debating.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I had been rewatching the episode -Or rather, a Youtuber's reaction to it- & noticed something.



At about 11:42, Abstracted Kaufmo is partially through the doorway, then lunges forward, hitting both Ragatha & Pomni. Pomni is knocked to the side, while Ragatha is on the floor literally with her back to the wall, with many of Abstracted Kaufmo's eyes on her.

Pomni gets up & flees almost immediately after this blow from Abstracted Kaufmo.

May be notable for the scaling & this debating.

Unfortunately, I don't see the speed of when he attacked the Glionk queen, might be just me tho

“Chill” sure but I doubt they’re singing their intros for their health. Caine is 100% forcing them to sing meaning he probably wants them to do stuff like that so why would he interrupt them

Well no shit lol, but that doesn't mean folks, or him, aren't allowed to do shit

 

[StretchSebe]

Like bro.

do you even Amazing Digital Circus Bro?

He seems pretty chill with Ragatha in Jax's introduction and someone breaking Gangle's comedy mask during it, so...

It seems after being unable to provide actual counter-factuals, or evidence against the evidence of both the show and creator's words already provided, we're resorting to derailing the thread with antagonizing other users. Well, if you don't have anything of substance left, let's get back on topic:

I had been rewatching the episode -Or rather, a Youtuber's reaction to it- & noticed something.



At about 11:42, Abstracted Kaufmo is partially through the doorway, then lunges forward, hitting both Ragatha & Pomni. Pomni is knocked to the side, while Ragatha is on the floor literally with her back to the wall, with many of Abstracted Kaufmo's eyes on her.

Pomni gets up & flees almost immediately after this blow from Abstracted Kaufmo.

May be notable for the scaling & this debating.

Yet another thing I hadn't noticed initially. Provides more evidence for an upgrade I'd think!

 

[Imaginym]

Unfortunately, I don't see the speed of when he attacked the Glionk queen, might be just me tho

I'm not sure why speed would be the concern. Plus, if size is a contributing factor to its power, being rammed by it -Notably enough to knock 2 people aside- may be notable.

It seems after being unable to provide actual counter-factuals, or evidence against the evidence of both the show and creator's words already provided, we're resorting to derailing the thread with antagonizing other users. Well, if you don't have anything of substance left, let's get back on topic:

Forgive me for being the hypocrite that I am, please -In that I'm calling out another user for going after another user- but I recall the saying "An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind".

Yet another thing I hadn't noticed initially. Provides more evidence for an upgrade I'd think!

In theory, it does make the idea of downscaling from Kaufmo more plausible, but....

Nobody except Caine (Maybe? Did the knives hurt her? & piercing anyway.) & Abstracted Kaufmo hurt Pomni. She does trip & make Jax, Kinger & Gangle trip, but Pomni having high durability & colliding with the others would not mean they have similar durability.

But that Pomni & Ragatha can both survive at least 1 hits, as well as other feats of the performers on one another does make the cast downscaling from Abstracted Kaufmo a little more plausible in my opinion, since 2 of 6 non-AIs/NPCs can handle a hit from Abstracted Kaufmo.

This'd be an assumption, but many of the performers being able to harm one another & at least 2 of the performers -Even if they aren't directly harmed by others- can take at least 1 hit from Kaufmo & be fine suggests it's a semi-reasonable assumption.


So what of a "possibly [DOWNSCALED FROM KAUFMO RATING GOES HERE" rating?

 

[Imaginym]

Also, are we sure the Kinger+Gangle pin collision feat is only 9-C?

 

[DaReaperMan]

It seems after being unable to provide actual counter-factuals, or evidence against the evidence of both the show and creator's words already provided, we're resorting derailing the thread with antagonizing other users. Well, if you don't have anything of substance left, let's get back on topic:

Yet another thing I hadn't noticed initially. Provides more evidence for an upgrade I'd think!

Once again, show me someone harming Ragatha, or Pomni now. And yes you're closer to actually properly scaling to the 9-A feat than you were before, but they're still both tanking a fraction of the power KE put into busting the floor due to their surface area. What You have so far is a "well they HAVE to be comparable!!!" Which is a pretty big assumption when Zoobie has actually done more to Jax than ANY of the cast has done to eachother(sans Kaufmo, obviously) and the below:

"goose: ".. they can get cut up, they can get stabbed, they can do any of that. i like to think that they feel a little less physical pain then you would in the real world just because .. they do so many cartoony wacky things and like .. maybe feeling less pain would be more like existentially terrifying "" which... doesn't prove comparability? It just means they can get cut up and stabbed and whatnot, not that every main member is comparable to one another.

And yes, you'd get the same response from a mod on the surface area thing, so welcome to my pickle

Oh, and you can't use the 9-A feat if you do calc that due to calc stacking.

So what of a "possibly [DOWNSCALED FROM KAUFMO RATING GOES HERE" rating

I don't like it, but I'd be willing to compromise to that TBH

It's really a case of "I don't like assumptions" then anything

 

[DaReaperMan]

Also, are we sure the Kinger+Gangle pin collision feat is only 9-C?

Can't be calced, unfortunately, KE rules means if it's under 200 Kilograms KE can't be used, and a Bowling Pin does not weigh 400 pounds lol

 

[Imaginym]

Once again, show me someone harming Ragatha, or Pomni now. And yes you're closer to actually properly scaling to the 9-A feat than you were before, but they're still both tanking a fraction of the power KE put into busting the floor due to their surface area. What You have so far is a "well they HAVE to be comparable!!!" Which is a pretty big assumption when Zoobie has actually done more to Jax than ANY of the cast has done to eachother(sans Kaufmo, obviously) and the below:

You consider what Zooble did to Jax more than tossing a bowling ball at Kinger to launch him into a hole?

"goose: ".. they can get cut up, they can get stabbed, they can do any of that. i like to think that they feel a little less physical pain then you would in the real world just because .. they do so many cartoony wacky things and like .. maybe feeling less pain would be more like existentially terrifying "" which... doesn't prove comparability? It just means they can get cut up and stabbed and whatnot, not that every main member is comparable to one another.

And yes, you'd get the same response from a mod on the surface area thing, so welcome to my pickle

Oh, and you can't use the 9-A feat if you do calc that due to calc stacking.

I'm not the most knowledgeable on the intricacies of calc stacking, so....

1. When you said, "if you do calc that", you're referring to what exactly?
2. What would make the referred thing calc stacking?

No offense meant.

I don't like it, but I'd be willing to compromise to that TBH

It's really a case of "I don't like assumptions" then anything

Understandable. Personally, I feel the assumption has some reasoning to back it up, but the uncertainty is why to use the "possibly" prefix.

Can't be calced, unfortunately, KE rules means if it's under 200 Kilograms KE can't be used, and a Bowling Pin does not weigh 400 pounds lol

What.

Where, when, why & how was this introduced?

Also, is that kilograms of force or mass?
Also, even with how big they may appear, I doubt even 9 or 10 bowling pin gloinks total to 200 kg total, but it isn't a singular one.
Not to mention wouldn't that it's Kinger (& Gangle) colliding with the bowling pin Gloinks be notable?

It's off-topic for this thread, but I feel that such a limitation seems absurd, especially with how many feats in fiction are just a person being launched, which would often be a third or even a quarter or less of that threshold!

 

[StretchSebe]

Forgive me for being the hypocrite that I am, please -In that I'm calling out another user for going after another user- but I recall the saying "An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind".

I get what you mean, but pointing out someone being rude to someone else isn't an insult, or engaging in the same kind of rudeness.

It just seems like they're trying to derail the thread at this point:

Having completely disengaged from everything we've provided (the basis of the upgrade and thread), disengaged from even remotely trying to use the context of the show and creator's statements to actually disprove what we've provided beyond just throwing out fallacious arguments (again, not really engaging with what we reply with, or the evidence on the side of upgrading), and are not actually providing anything further other than literally trying to antagonize Dom for no reason.

If they want to disagree, they can just say so.

As is, they're just not engaging in actual discussion, and we're going in circles entertaining their derailment of the thread.

 

[StretchSebe]

It's off-topic for this thread, but I feel that such a limitation seems absurd, especially with how many feats in fiction are just a person being launched, which would often be a third or even a quarter or less of that threshold!

Basically sums up all their recent messages. Again, they can just say they disagree if they're unwilling to even try and prove why Ragatha is somehow special and different from the rest of the cast, and why the evidence from both the show, and the creator's statements themselves contradict her being special/different, suggesting she's no different from everyone else when it comes to the situation she's in, and what she can handle.

Also like you point out, now we have another character in Pomni whose been attacked by Kaufmo. That's just another piece of evidence in favor of such a broad upgrade.

 

[Imaginym]

I get what you mean, but pointing out someone being rude to someone else isn't an insult, or engaging in the same kind of rudeness.

It just seems like they're trying to derail the thread at this point:

Having completely disengaged from everything we've provided (the basis of the upgrade and thread), disengaged from even remotely trying to use the context of the show and creator's statements to actually disprove what we've provided beyond just throwing out fallacious arguments (again, not really engaging with what we reply with, or the evidence on the side of upgrading), and are not actually providing anything further other than literally trying to antagonize Dom for no reason.

If they want to disagree, they can just say so.

As is, they're just not engaging in actual discussion, and we're going in circles entertaining their derailment of the thread.

I do agree that it's unfortunate we haven't seen much progress towards a conclusion for much of recently.

To his credit, I do feel that I understand his perspective of not scaling characters to a feat of another character they haven't interacted with in a statistics-relevant manner, especially when said separate character's feat is outlierish-ly above the characters' own feats.

Hence why "possibly" seems reasonable to me.

Basically sums up all their recent messages.

When I said that, it was on the topic of the 200 kg threshold for KE feats he alluded to, the introduction of which I doubt he was responsible for; I feel you've got wrong the context of my words that you're quoting in this response.

Again, they can just say they disagree if they're unwilling to even try and prove why Ragatha is somehow special and different from the rest of the cast, and why the evidence from both the show, and the creator's statements themselves contradict her being special/different, suggesting she's no different from everyone else when it comes to the situation she's in, and what she can handle.

To their credit, Ragatha has taken the greatest quantity & notability of hits from Abstracted Kaufmo by far.
& Gooseworx's statement was about if they can feel the pain, & how all of them have a toony capacity to handle harm. Especially considering Ragatha's teaser, it could be possible some have different capacities, although we lack evidence for that.

Also like you point out, now we have another character in Pomni whose been attacked by Kaufmo. That's just another piece of evidence in favor of such a broad upgrade.

Mind, as said, it's weaker evidence, since Pomni only took the 1 hit & no other non-AI/NPC harms Pomni.
But yes, it is evidence.

Sorry if y'all minds my arguable argumentativeness.

 

[HonestlyBored24]

Can't be calced, unfortunately, KE rules means if it's under 200 Kilograms KE can't be used, and a Bowling Pin does not weigh 400 pounds lol

Bro the 200 kg limit is only there for Kaiju wtf are you on

 

[StretchSebe]

Bro the 200 kg limit is only there for Kaiju wtf are you on

Who knows. Just been throwing all kinds of stuff out there.

 

[DaReaperMan]

It's really a case of "I don't like assumptions" then anything

Oh, and this is why I don't like to get involved, I'm too conservative on things

Like, sure, I'll go for high-ends when able, but I don't like to make assumptions when I'm doing it

You consider what Zooble did to Jax more than tossing a bowling ball at Kinger to launch him into a hole?

Yeah, TBH I consider strangling someone to the ground with one hand better than Kinger grunting and being sent back

I'm not the most knowledgeable on the intricacies of calc stacking, so....

1. When you said, "if you do calc that", you're referring to what exactly?

The rush forward for Durability of Pomni and Ragatha

2. What would make the referred thing calc stacking?

Uh, outside of like, size and weight, you can't use calcs for other calcs

No offense meant.

None taken

Understandable. Personally, I feel the assumption has some reasoning to back it up, but the uncertainty is why to use the "possibly" prefix.

Yeah

What.

Where, when, why & how was this introduced?

Also, is that kilograms of force or mass?
Also, even with how big they may appear, I doubt even 9 or 10 bowling pin gloinks total to 200 kg total, but it isn't a singular one.
Not to mention wouldn't that it's Kinger (& Gangle) colliding with the bowling pin Gloinks be notable?

It's off-topic for this thread, but I feel that such a limitation seems absurd, especially with how many feats in fiction are just a person being launched, which would often be a third or even a quarter or less of that threshold!

That's actually handled, if we see the damage done that takes priority, but if I am wrong like Honesty is saying, carry on

Still gotta find something to get the mass of Kaufmo tho

Basically sums up all their recent messages. Again, they can just say they disagree if they're unwilling to even try and prove why Ragatha is somehow special and different from the rest of the cast, and why the evidence from both the show, and the creator's statements themselves contradict her being special/different, suggesting she's no different from everyone else when it comes to the situation she's in, and what she can handle.

Also like you point out, now we have another character in Pomni whose been attacked by Kaufmo. That's just another piece of evidence in favor of such a broad upgrade.

Oh, but if I just say "Disagree FRA" I'm derailing too, right? If you can't stand the heat of a debate like Imaginym here get outta the forge mate, nothing more to it!

Bro the 200 kg limit is only there for Kaiju wtf are you on

If it's for living characters? Huh, must've misunderstood the KE rules then, carry on.

 

[StretchSebe]

I do agree that it's unfortunate we haven't seen much progress towards a conclusion for much of recently.

To his credit, I do feel that I understand his perspective of not scaling characters to a feat of another character they haven't interacted with in a statistics-relevant manner, especially when said separate character's feat is outlierish-ly above the characters' own feats.

Hence why "possibly" seems reasonable to me.

I'm not unwilling to entertain someone rejecting this upgrade. It's when they're so unwilling to even engage with the subject and evidence that I question why they're even present talking about this subject they couldn't seem to care less about.

Especially if they'll just devolve into trying to provoke other users and derail the thread.

To their credit, Ragatha has taken the greatest quantity & notability of hits from Abstracted Kaufmo by far.
& Gooseworx's statement was about if they can feel the pain, & how all of them have a toony capacity to handle harm. Especially considering Ragatha's teaser, it could be possible some have different capacities, although we lack evidence for that.

Mind, as said, it's weaker evidence, since Pomni only took the 1 hit & no other non-AI/NPC harms Pomni.
But yes, it is evidence.

Yeah: I agree with the upgrade. I think there's enough. But having more evidence in the form of another episode, and more feats/statements would be nice to be far more confident about such an upgrade and all. Again though; we seem to have a solid foundation of evidence for the cast downscaling, and with what you provided, more even if Pomni's not taking nearly as much damage/beating as Ragatha had.

Sorry if y'all minds my arguable argumentativeness.

You are more civil than most.