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Saint Seiya Discussion Thread (IV)

By the way, wouldn't destroying a universe in Saint Seiya be above just Low 2-C or 2-C? It might even be 2-B, no?

Based on what Shura says here, there exists multiple dimensions within a single universe, different past, presents, and futures, different timelines.

xb4OUwk.png


Shura: "世界は必ずしも一つでは無い同一の宇宙を持ちながら違う未来を進む世界も存在する―並行する別の世界"

"The world is not necessarily just one; even within the same universe, there exist worlds that progress towards different futures. Parallel worlds..."

Shiryū: "別世界から･･･来たという事なのか?"

"Does that mean you came from a different world?"

Shura: "俺にもまだ確証は ないままだ一だが一これも女神の神託 ならば一従うまで"

"I still don't have any certainty, but if this is also the Oracle of the Goddess, then I will follow."

Shiryū: 世界を超えてまで 女神はなにを もと 求めている...?

"What is the Goddess seeking, even beyond the world...?"

If there are multiple timelines within a single universe, then the overarching multiverse could qualify for Low 1-C.
 
EmperorRorepmeTwo said:
By the way, wouldn't destroying a universe in Saint Seiya be above just Low 2-C or 2-C? It might even be 2-B, no?

Based on what Shura says here, there exists multiple dimensions within a single universe, different past, presents, and futures, different timelines.

xb4OUwk.png


Shura: "世界は必ずしも一つでは無い同一の宇宙を持ちながら違う未来を進む世界も存在する―並行する別の世界"

"The world is not necessarily just one; even within the same universe, there exist worlds that progress towards different futures. Parallel worlds..."

Shiryū: "別世界から･･･来たという事なのか?"

"Does that mean you came from a different world?"

Shura: "俺にもまだ確証は ないままだ一だが一これも女神の神託 ならば一従うまで"

"I still don't have any certainty, but if this is also the Oracle of the Goddess, then I will follow."

Shiryū: 世界を超えてまで 女神はなにを もと 求めている...?

"What is the Goddess seeking, even beyond the world...?"

If there are multiple timelines within a single universe, then the overarching multiverse could qualify for Low 1-C.
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I don't really know, but this seems like a solid feat of 2-C/ 2-B
 
EmperorRorepmeTwo said:
By the way, wouldn't destroying a universe in Saint Seiya be above just Low 2-C or 2-C? It might even be 2-B, no?

Based on what Shura says here, there exists multiple dimensions within a single universe, different past, presents, and futures, different timelines.

xb4OUwk.png


Shura: "世界は必ずしも一つでは無い同一の宇宙を持ちながら違う未来を進む世界も存在する―並行する別の世界"

"The world is not necessarily just one; even within the same universe, there exist worlds that progress towards different futures. Parallel worlds..."

Shiryū: "別世界から･･･来たという事なのか?"

"Does that mean you came from a different world?"

Shura: "俺にもまだ確証は ないままだ一だが一これも女神の神託 ならば一従うまで"

"I still don't have any certainty, but if this is also the Oracle of the Goddess, then I will follow."

Shiryū: 世界を超えてまで 女神はなにを もと 求めている...?

"What is the Goddess seeking, even beyond the world...?"

If there are multiple timelines within a single universe, then the overarching multiverse could qualify for Low 1-C.
Click to expand...
Actually, there a lot of context behind this idea that would support a 5D+ cosmology, but...... verse needs deleted and redone first
 
TheUnshakableOne said:
Actually, there a lot of context behind this idea that would support a 5D+ cosmology, but...... verse needs deleted and redone first
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Yeah that's what I was saying, because a single universe has many timelines under one "banner" so to speak, which means that there are multiple time dimensions within a single universe.

Let alone the rest of the multiverse, the multiverse can be 5D based on this.

Why does the verse need deleting though?
 
EmperorRorepmeTwo said:
Yeah that's what I was saying, because a single universe has many timelines under one "banner" so to speak, which means that there are multiple time dimensions within a single universe.

Let alone the rest of the multiverse, the multiverse can be 5D based on this.

Why does the verse need deleting though?
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Depends on how you interpret the cosmology, but the Multiverse is already 5D so an extra temporal dimension would make ot 6D
 
TheUnshakableOne said:
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Saint Seiya Complete Verse Overhual - Revenge of Tier 1 Upgrades -

I created a cosmology blog for Saint Seiya. The link for it is here https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:TheUnshakableOne/sandbox The blog has no tier proposal within it, but will be used going forward to provide justification on profiles. The below are the tiers being proposed. There...
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I think the only mistake you made was making a proposal for the verse to be 1-A, since he had a very solid base for low 1-C with those quotes he mentioned.
 
TheUnshakableOne said:
vsbattles.com

Saint Seiya Complete Verse Overhual - Revenge of Tier 1 Upgrades -

I created a cosmology blog for Saint Seiya. The link for it is here https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:TheUnshakableOne/sandbox The blog has no tier proposal within it, but will be used going forward to provide justification on profiles. The below are the tiers being proposed. There...
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I think it's because you began with Tier Low 1-A and 1-A but Low 1-C is much more acceptable based on the current tiering standards and I think it will be overwhelming accepted
 
EmperorRorepmeTwo said:
By the way, wouldn't destroying a universe in Saint Seiya be above just Low 2-C or 2-C? It might even be 2-B, no?

Based on what Shura says here, there exists multiple dimensions within a single universe, different past, presents, and futures, different timelines.

xb4OUwk.png


Shura: "世界は必ずしも一つでは無い同一の宇宙を持ちながら違う未来を進む世界も存在する―並行する別の世界"

"The world is not necessarily just one; even within the same universe, there exist worlds that progress towards different futures. Parallel worlds..."

Shiryū: "別世界から･･･来たという事なのか?"

"Does that mean you came from a different world?"

Shura: "俺にもまだ確証は ないままだ一だが一これも女神の神託 ならば一従うまで"

"I still don't have any certainty, but if this is also the Oracle of the Goddess, then I will follow."

Shiryū: 世界を超えてまで 女神はなにを もと 求めている...?

"What is the Goddess seeking, even beyond the world...?"

If there are multiple timelines within a single universe, then the overarching multiverse could qualify for Low 1-C.
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This exact scan was brought up but its translation was disputed... though as Hasty said, the whole verse is on some duel of the translators shit
 
TheUnshakableOne said:
Aside from hypertimeline logic. Multiverse has uncountably infinite universes. Though, good luck finding a way to solidly scale too it without running into translation arguments
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I think if there's only one dude arguing about translations when most of us have agreed on the gist of what it's saying then they can be dismissed with mods backing us up

There's no need to endlessly debate it
 
EmperorRorepmeTwo said:
I think if there's only one dude arguing about translations when most of us have agreed on the gist of what it's saying then they can be dismissed with mods backing us up

There's no need to endlessly debate it
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It's Gemini and Matt (Matt whom is a retired staff member and was the leading man of Saint Seiya and is a trusted member by Ant when it comes to knowledge still to Saint Seiya to this day).
 
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Huesito88 said:
It's Gemini and Matt (Matt whom is a retired staff member and was the leading man of Saint Seiya and is a trusted member by Ant when it comes to knowledge still to Saint Seiya to this day).
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I see, just them two?

Ik Matt is the SS OG on VSB, has he posted his reasoning for disagreeing?
 
EmperorRorepmeTwo said:
I see, just them two?

Ik Matt is the SS OG on VSB, has he posted his reasoning for disagreeing?
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He has it's in this second thread (after tier 1 stuff failed) the same reason as Gemini

vsbattles.com

Saint Seiya - Practically Everyone Is 2-A Addition (well not really lol)

I made this cosmology blog to link to profiles to help with the justification of the 2-A rating. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:TheUnshakableOne/sandbox Who would scale to this? Practically all the Gods, and God Cloths, and those whom currently scale to them (so its not literally...
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TheUnshakableOne said:
even though every single experienced translator, and native Japanese speaker that looked at the scans agreed with my translations and saw no issues with it
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I recommend that all translations be done by the @Executor_N0, because he has more credibility here, so all translations must go through him, because even the administrators support him with his translation, Whenever I have a Japanese scan I look for it, Medeus and Ant always like and support his translation.
 
Huesito88 said:
He has it's in this second thread (after tier 1 stuff failed) the same reason as Gemini

vsbattles.com

Saint Seiya - Practically Everyone Is 2-A Addition (well not really lol)

I made this cosmology blog to link to profiles to help with the justification of the 2-A rating. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:TheUnshakableOne/sandbox Who would scale to this? Practically all the Gods, and God Cloths, and those whom currently scale to them (so its not literally...
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TheUnshakableOne said:
even though every single experienced translator, and native Japanese speaker that looked at the scans agreed with my translations and saw no issues with it
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Doesn't seem like the scan I posted was brought up though

I don't think he'd disagree it basically says parallel worlds within a single universe

@Matthew_Schroeder

Thoughts?
 
Huesito88 said:
What criteria was that?
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In order for the multiverse ti be Low 1-A through "every point in time and space of a universe is an infinite multiverse."

For that ti ne accepted you'd need to prove there is no more universe creation happening

Which... SS gas plenty of universal creation feats thus not Low 1-A lol
 
TheUnshakableOne said:
In order for the multiverse ti be Low 1-A through "every point in time and space of a universe is an infinite multiverse."

For that ti ne accepted you'd need to prove there is no more universe creation happening

Which... SS gas plenty of universal creation feats thus not Low 1-A lol
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Where did you find that standard? (Just curious)
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Complicated, things are changing more and more to make it impossible for us to get level 1.
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Seriously

With Ultima's new proposel it honestly feels like a regression than a progression to me.

It's becoming more difficult to get tier 1 unless you have a series of scans to explain things. Lime its becoming necessary to write a book on qhy a character shoukd be Tier 1

And novel sized CRTs either go really well or.... get ignored lol
 
TheUnshakableOne said:
Seriously

With Ultima's new proposel it honestly feels like a regression than a progression to me.

It's becoming more difficult to get tier 1 unless you have a series of scans to explain things. Lime its becoming necessary to write a book on qhy a character shoukd be Tier 1

And novel sized CRTs either go really well or.... get ignored lol
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Your referring to the new R-F tiering?
 
Huesito88 said:
Your referring to the new R-F tiering?
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That yes, because RFD was a common way to get 5D but that's being nuked and looks like standards will become stricter on what actual qualifies as RFD.

Like uncountably infinite universes through infinite multiverses is now also unusable because there are various circumstances you need to prove fir it ti je 5D

And hypertimeline logic... as we shoukd all be aware of... is a hassle and pain to prove

Also, being infinitely larger than a 2-A structure will mo longer automatically be 5D without more context

Additionally a realm or being seeing other universes as stars, lights, galaxies, atoms, etc isn't 5D anymore either without more provable context

All on all, it's getting almost impossible to ne any tier beyond 5D without being marvel , DC, WoD, MG, etc

Edit: I say regression because it looks like the OG Type 5 AC, Type 1 CM, that special version of NEP and 1-A only Transduality might be coming back too

Edit 2: proving higher temporal dimensions has always been a headache
 
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