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What about the infinity he has? And, can you give a jujutsu speed thread?The speed thread isn't even over yet.
Anyways, Kakashi speedblitzes.
Does the statistical difference indicate a win? As far as I know, Gojo infinity will be able to make Kakashi unable to reach Gojo. So the speed difference is useless here.Check Gojo's Notable Loses section on his profile, and you'll notice that this match was already done and added
Read the Versus ThreadDoes the statistical difference indicate a win? As far as I know, Gojo infinity will be able to make Kakashi unable to reach Gojo. So the speed difference is useless here.
Look like it's an old thread, it doesn't rule out the possibility that now Gojo can match Kakashi, of course I can prove that.Read the Versus Thread
What's changed other than that Gojo is now slower and has far lower statistics?Look like it's an old thread, it doesn't rule out the possibility that now Gojo can match Kakashi, of course I can prove that.
He doesn't have to. limitless is based on movement, with the Kamui you can easily bypass it without needing to interact with it.Gojo fra. Kakashi cant even interact with the limitless
If you think Kakashi instantly spawns a Kamui portal on Gojo's head and Gojo doesn't start off with UV, yeah. Kamui has a better range than UV.In speed equalized, it's nearing on being a stomp, because Kakashi has answers to everything Gojo can do aside from UV. While Gojo can't even handle Kakashi's common techniques.
Infinity is conceptual manipulation, kamui wont workHe doesn't have to. limitless is based on movement, with the Kamui you can easily bypass it without needing to interact with it.
Infinity is not conceptual manipulation. That was removed.Infinity is conceptual manipulation, kamui wont work
The Kamui doesn't need to travel. It can spawn wherever Kakashi looks. Like, it is literally just a hole that opens and sucks things. And it can be spawned directly on your person (such as, directly on Gojo's head, or even inside of his body), which is an in-character move, and also a starting move.Kamui isn't working here, it doesn't even bypass math manip. Effecting regular space =/ affecting limitless. The homie Sukuna literally needed to bypass infinity by targeting the concept of existence.
However, Gojo's only hope here would be a luckily timed DE (pending Kakashi's travel speed) or somehow grasping him in place with blue long enough for his singularity or space slicer.
I vote Inconclusive
That doesn't matter, it still needs to bypass a space it has no feats of interacting with. Spawn on target doesn't work, which is why Sukuna needed an extremely roundabout way of hitting Gojo outside of his domain and had to go to such extremes. The moment Kamui lands on the space Kakashi thinks Gojo is in, it's going to be subject to Infinity.The Kamui doesn't need to travel. It can spawn wherever Kakashi looks. Like, it is literally just a hole that opens and sucks things. And it can be spawned directly on your person (such as, directly on Gojo's head, or even inside of his body), which is an in-character move, and also a starting move.
So what exactly do you mean when you say it doesn't work, or that it can't bypass?
Any source for this?Spawn on target doesn't work
Uh, how? The space Kakashi thinks Gojo is in, would be the space he is in. It's not like Gojo is separate from the reality he appears to be in. He's not creating some wild illusion or pocket dimension. Sukuna even explicitly states that he is still within the "world"/"existence." So I don't understand what you mean.The moment Kamui lands on the space Kakashi thinks Gojo is in, it's going to be subject to Infinity.
Targeting outside the range of what Gojo's infinity could cover. Essentially what Sukuna did was target everything that infinity existed in, the world, existence and fundamental space itself.Any source for this?
Sukuna manifest his regular slashes onto a desired area he wants. They don't fly out towards him. Sukuna spent the whole fight and needed Mahoraga to literally pull off the impossible before he found a way to bypass infinity.Any source for this?
That's false. This i literally how everyone gets got by Gojo. After spawning fire directly onto Gojo's head, Jogo swears that he made contact with Gojo proper, and Gojo tells him he is wrong, he hit the infinity space.Uh, how? The space Kakashi thinks Gojo is in, would be the space he is in.
Sukuna needed to target every aspect of existence in totality to hit Gojo and explicitly stated he needed to do so to hit Gojo in "that world".It's not like Gojo is separate from the reality he appears to be in. He's not creating some wild illusion or pocket dimension. Sukuna even explicitly states that he is still within the "world"/"existence." So I don't understand what you mean.
How exactly does this prove why spawn-on-body attacks don't work on Gojo?Targeting outside the range of what Gojo's infinity could cover. Essentially what Sukuna did was target everything that infinity existed in, the world, existence and fundamental space itself.
The Raw's make it much easier to understand, credit goes to @Arc7Kuroi
||はじめ貴様の不可侵に適応した摩虎羅は||
||From the start, Maho was adapting to your infinity||
||不可侵を中和無効化するように自らの呪力を変質させていた||
||It altered its cursed energy in order to neutralize and disable your infinity||
||それは俺にはできないことだだから待った||
||That is something I couldn't do, thus I waited||
||俺に合った不可侵への適応を||
||I adapted to infinity as it suited me||
||二度目の適応は期待通りのものだったあれは俺のように斬撃を飛ばしたわけではない||
||The second adaptation was as hoped for, that thing (Maho) didn't hurl slashes like me ||
||おれは術式対象の拡張だ||
||I am the extension of the cursed technique||
||術式対象を五条悟ではなく空間存在世界そのものまで拡張し||
||I extended the cursed technique to the very spatial existence of the world itself, not Gojo||
||斬る||
||and I cut||
"to put it in perspective, there is manipulating space as in basic spatial manip, the next tier is like manipulating the concepts and laws of space itself, and the final tier and tier above that is manipulating the very form, existence, platonic concept of space itself, which is what Sukuna did." - Arc.
Sukuna's slashes are still shown to travel, though. This is pretty clear in the anime. His slashes have a clear direction to them. He isn't just opening wounds on someone's body.Sukuna manifest his regular slashes onto a desired area he wants. They don't fly out towards him. Sukuna spent the whole fight and needed Mahoraga to literally pull off the impossible before he found a way to bypass infinity.
How will the Infinity affect chakra that's just, inside of Gojo's body, for example?Kamui works by manifesting chakra onto a target area which then begins the process of dimensional transportation. Meaning the moment Kakashi tries to manifest via chakra, it's going to be subject to getting yeeted. Gojo's math manip will take precedence.
He didn't spawn attacks on/inside Gojo's body, he just erupted a flame on his head, so obviously that wouldn't bypass.That's false. This i literally how everyone gets got by Gojo. After spawning fire directly onto Gojo's head, Jogo swears that he made contact with Gojo proper, and Gojo tells him he is wrong, he hit the infinity space.
This is just one way to get through Infinity, though. And from what I know, nobody in JJK can do things that just "spawn" on you.Furthermore, when explaining how he beat Gojo, Sukuna mentions needing to target all of existence because Gojo existed in "that world" (infinity space obviously being a subset of existence), highlighting Infinity space indeed being it's own separate "world" or realm. Unless Kakashi is targeting the same scope of reality, I'm not sure how one would argue he could target Gojo through Infinity.
Yes he is, you can see in this scan that the cut on Yuji's ear and foot both begin on Yuji's body.Sukuna's slashes are still shown to travel, though. This is pretty clear in the anime. His slashes have a clear direction to them. He isn't just opening wounds on someone's body.
Gojo is immune to the effects. You can't manifest chakra inside of a sorcerer due to their body being a domain. Gojo has infinity on top of that. So I don't think that's much of an option.How will the Infinity affect chakra that's just, inside of Gojo's body, for example?
Jogo does this by raising the ambient heat around his target. So Jogo clearly knew the space he was targeting with this attack and also expressly had the feeling of hitting Gojo. Yet it did not include Gojo's actual position despite the area of Gojo's head being "engulfed"He didn't spawn attacks on/inside Gojo's body, he just erupted a flame on his head, so obviously that wouldn't bypass.
Sukuna does as mentioned, and Gojo is heavily implied to be unstoppable to most clans/abilities. Which would also include cursed speech which manifest things into reality directly.This is just one way to get through Infinity, though. And from what I know, nobody in JJK can do things that just "spawn" on you.
Yeah, his power, but that's way to vague of a thing to correlate to the specific argument you are trying to use, especially since it is talking about the potency of the technique not about it vs Limitless directly.The only one who does is Takaba, and he was stated to have the potential of rivalling Gojo, wasn't he?
How do you know it didn't also cut through the space to the side of him, which Sukuna's slashes usually do?Yes he is, you can see in this scan that the cut on Yuji's ear and foot both begin on Yuji's body.
How exactly does the 'body being a domain' translate to it nullifying Chakra? Infinity doesn't cancel spawn-on-target abilities.Gojo is immune to the effects. You can't manifest chakra inside of a sorcerer due to their body being a domain. Gojo has infinity on top of that. So I don't think that's much of an option.
"Around his target," yes, which means he can't really spawn fire onto Gojo, he can only attempt to manipulate the air and temperature around him, which is subjected to Infinity.
Pretty sure it requires the sound/cursed energy to actually make contact with the person, which would obviously not be able to affect Gojo since it still involves travelling.Which would also include cursed speech which manifest things into reality directly.
It does sometimes such as with this cut, but if you look at the panel you can tell where each slash begins by following the blood trail. Several of the slices on Yuji originate on his person and extend outward into space, the cut on his foot and ear also begin directly from the body from where we see. You could maybe argue the ear extending beyond, but the foot one has ground underneath Yuji and see see it goes up from the bottom and outward.How do you know it didn't also cut through the space to the side of him, which Sukuna's slashes usually do?
Because chakra will not be able to manifest inside of a sorceror's body. You would have to imbue a physical item with chakra and forcibly insert that item into the user first. This is from the databook after Gege answered regarding Hanami's bud attack.How exactly does the 'body being a domain' translate to it nullifying Chakra? Infinity doesn't cancel spawn-on-target abilities.
Not quite, Jogo is perceiving the volume encompassing Gojo's head and attempting to materialize heat radiation which is propagated by massless EM waves. Despite that, Jogo's attack was unable to transfer heat to the area Jogo was perceiving Gojo to be."Around his target," yes, which means he can't really spawn fire onto Gojo, he can only attempt to manipulate the air and temperature around him, which is subjected to Infinity.
That's only for mental manipulation. Cursed users can do much more than that such as having the victim randomly be crushed or have their life sapped. We also know Gojo can talk/hear while having Infinity up as he's done it many times.Pretty sure it requires the sound/cursed energy to actually make contact with the person, which would obviously not be able to affect Gojo since it still involves travelling.
Which would mean Gojo can resist an energy system (CE) manifesting effects on him via CM 3 and Subjective reality.Also, the potency of that technique is tied to the cursed energy he uses, and the cursed energy of the opponent. Gojo is likely to resist it completely due to his immense amount of cursed energy, rather than Infinity just inherently negating its "spawn-target" effect (Which is questionable in the first place).
Sukuna's slashes never cut space till after he learned it from Maho.How do you know it didn't also cut through the space to the side of him, which Sukuna's slashes usually do?
I think they mean space nominally, as in Sukuna's cut is originating from a position away from their body and then intersecting with them.Sukuna's slashes never cut space till after he learned it from Maho.
Phoenks is talking about the area, or "space", beside Yuji. Not actual space.Sukuna's slashes never cut space till after he learned it from Maho.