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Yep. Crazy how this thread went on for 4 pages cuz of constant straw manning, stonewalling and many more fallacies I don't wanna count from the opposers.
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Mafioso VS Deliquent
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Nah, I even said why I think it's a kick, if you think it's a dash idc, my vote stay based on my reasons, do whatever you want.
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You barely gave any scans and the scans you gave were debunked.
You guys couldn't debunk anything and didn't even present any counter arguments
You literally presented surviving a suicide attempt as a stamina feat.
What martial arts lol? Dazai doesn't have any. It's just your headcannon.
Which was an accepted multiplier from an old thread but ok.
I don't see Dazai scaling to 7-C in this matchup.
Edit: I told both you and Rogger to drop this 7-C stuff. You should've upgraded Dazai to Town Level before making this matchup if you wanted a 7-C vs 9-B matchup (which can't even happen).
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You are blatantly going against vswiki voting rules. You never made another point besides the one I replied to which you yourself acknowledges comes down to skill. Which mikey has the advantage.
-Mikey is more skilled
-2.2x higher AP
-Mikey is far superior in physical strength
- Mikey has better stamina
But somehow dazai wins? Lol thats not valid
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They weren't, You made assumptions, There's a difference
There was nothing to debunk, As all you guys were doing was making assumptions
Boi you just admitted you ignore everything we post and just read what's more convinient for you
There you are again making assumptions, When clearly mafia members are trained for combat and the use of firearms and it's clearly stated that Dazai specifically trained them in a spartan level training
Alot of mafia members don't have powers, Literally what are they gonna learn from spartan training? Martial arts
You are not using your head here
It's not, Otherwise he would have that AP rather than his current AP
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Why can't you show us that martial arts training was apart of the Spartan training curriculum? A below average CQC fighter trains them in martial artist with no statements of it? No. He trained them to control their powers. You even said Dazai killed training mafia members when the scans quite literally specifiy that he DID NOT kill them . You are making headcanon feats that don't even exist to bump his skill level. Why are you going to such far lengths that you are even lying about what he has done? That should be a violation.
......You do realize YOU made the thread.... and YOU chose the AP for the match. How are you telling someone they are not using your head when this debate wouldnt even exist if YOU didnt choose it as his AP? Am I understanding this correctly?
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uh the rules says the winner is the one with better arguments, so if you think your arguments are better you should be fine like this.
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I'm starting to think something is really wrong with either you or me. You're telling me we were making assumptions now? You guys literally used headcanons (like Dazai being more skilled and a better martial artist) where the whole narrative was aganist it (which is something we proved and you guys couldn't even refute it) and feats that straight up didn't even exist (like Dazai predicting bullet trajectories and predicting moves without prior knowledge). How are we making assumptions here?
What assumptions?
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There was not an argument made for Dazai that was better or countered this, yet you still voted for him and now dont want to address your answer when accoring to the rules when new information in provided you have to respond with descriptive proof or the vote is invalid. If you dont care about vs debates why even comment then change your vote? Without a real reason? Thats kinda suspicious
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What part of no powers you do not understand? I have said that not all mafia members have powers
Also what part of Chuuya's perspective you do not understand? That same "Below average cqc fighter" Was demolishing entire groups of bandits/mafia/skill users/anti skill users no diff, And regularly thrashing Akutagawa who is a high tier of the verse
He has trained Atsushi and Akutagawa, Since he nullifies their powers, Their only choice is to fight H2H and CQC, Where they were getting obliterated
Once again, Making assumptions, Assuming this was the only showing of Dazai's strenght when it wasn't
Why are YOU going to such lenghs to make Mikey win by ignoring, dismissing, invalidate with the excuse of "debunking" when all you are doing is making assumptions?
Because in their calculation section, The highest AP was Mikey's 1,093 MJ feat
There was nothing above that
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yeah report me if you think I'm biased, go ahead.
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Did someone deadass claim Mikey would stomp The Boxer Yu?
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Are you for real now? You must be joking right?
We literally gave you a ton of scans to counter your so called "debunk" Where in turn you guys just ignore them
For starters how about the fact you guys keep saying he can only predict people he knows when it's not true?
We gave you scans, You just ignored them
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DekuGlazer is the person your looking for
He is heavily biased towards Mikey
As you can see with this whole thread
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Thats exactly what I said. You can make the thread for it to be debated if you like
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9-B key
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Yet over 6 people have asked you specifically to provide context for claims you made LMAO. Nobody asked me once
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We gave you the scans but alas you ignored them and made assumptions too
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Point out what we ignored please.
It's called analysing a character profile. Pretty simple.
You only gave some stuff that either don't scale to Dazai or some basic stuff like a character predicting moves of a character he already has prior knowledge of.
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Saying you provided something when its 4 pages of proof that isn't the case is hilarious
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Make the thread then. Or you dont care about vs threads all of a sudden again
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The thread went from Dazai being a master martial artist to the thread trying to prove he even uses it to begin with. The premise has changed all these times yet all the previous "fra" votes that were used for premises that were changed were still counted. The creater of this thread is hilariously bias lol
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How about we start with the part where you said "You literally presented surviving a suicide attempt as a stamina feat"
You didn't seem to do it with his stamina feats, I can't trust you
Nor did you seem to do it with AP where it also states he can demolish entire groups of what i'm already tired to repeating
He didn't know Akutagawa very well and yet he was still able to thrash him
The same who can predict attacks
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You and Dino downplayed him to hell with your horrendous bias
We keep showing you proof just for you to downplay him even more to the point it's not funny
I don't see how i'm bias
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The proof you are showing has new commenters asking for more context than what you provided yet all you do is send the same exact scans again. While repeating the same things and not updating your opinion like a logical unbias user would. Arnoldstone even commented saying he didnt see the premise of the skill level and you still havent changed or proven it. Just recycled the same scans you sent that everyone already seen here
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Which was something you did lmao. What did I ignore there again?How about we start with the part where you said "You literally presented surviving a suicide attempt as a stamina feat"
I legit don't understand how Dazai has better stamina. Like half of the feats listed in his profiles are barely stamina feats where the only one that actually makes sense is "laughing off pain and torture" which is fine and all, but Mikey could knock out 3 guys in an instant after getting tortured by Kazutora as well which is beter than only laughing at pain.You didn't seem to do it with his stamina feats, I can't trust you
Like beating up gangs is an AP feat lol. Mikey stated that he can beat 20000 people and actually beat 550 guys with no difficulty and without even breaking a sweat lol. Mikey is just a better fighter.
@DekuGlazer Already debunked this point and he has more knowledge about BSD then me
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Alright then, Let's try again then;
Mikey is considered a "Genius" yeah?
Mikey can beat 500 gang members, Where said members are not skilled in any shape or form of martial arts and are only skilled brawlers they don't have super powers aside from Mikey, Takemitchi, Homeless man, South and Mikey's Brother
Said power is called "Dark impulse" Which basically makes you enter in a berserk state and increases your strenght and speed
Some of them have kinetic vision, unbeatable senses and future sight
Good yeah? Now tell me how they fare against this
15 year old Dazai was the youngest member of the port mafia who rapidly grew to be one of the most dangerous ones and became an executive by doing continous missions where he had to demolish entire groups of mafia who were trained in combat and in the use of firearms to the point to the point of giving them fear just by hearing Dazai's name
Had a spartan level regime of training and also gave it to his subordinates including Akutagawa, Again not all members of mafia have super powers and so the training obviously had to be martial arts and in the said training, There was Akutagawa who evolved to be one of the high tiers of the verse, He also gave said training to Atsushi who is also a high tier of the verse
The powers of BSD has a lot more variety than TR which Dazai as fought, So he is experienced in dealing with super powers, Said users are notable users such as Chuuya, Lovecraft, Akutagawa, Q, And Lovecraft's ally, All of these are Highly skilled users of the mafia and guild
Dazai constantly fights people stronger than him physically on a daily basis, Which makes Mikey not any different to what Dazai is accustomed to
Please do tell me how is this any worse than fighting a bunch of deliquents who didn't even practise martial arts
Let's see how you will downplay Dazai again why don't we
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It's grace with your vote right?
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Funny how you cant even tell me a valid reason for commenting "dazai FRA" ehile trying to insult TR fans
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Nah, it would need to be 0/7 for a grace. You need more votes.
You guys make it so easy.
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He said FRA, Theres your answer
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Damn
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i just need valid reasoning im not here to discuss fandoms. It's irrelevant to the topic at hand. Dazai has yet to be proven nothing more than a below average fighter
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FRA is not valid when half the thread is requesting more information for the stuff he is saying FRA for . Learn the rules
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We gave information, Stop being ignorant
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