Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Giannysmag]

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This is because Sukuna is so much more powerful than Megumi at that point that he doesn't perceive his attacks as a threat. You cannot argue the same for CT Kashimo.

I can actually because Sukuna straight up tanked the sonic scream. He only bothered to dodge the waves because it was the only attack capable of harming him

This still implies that Sukuna was stone faced by a sound based attack. Whether or not he saw it doesn't change the fact that he remained stationary while a considerably slower attack landed on him.

The thing is he didnt even attempt to dodge it, he just sat there. So unless you wanna argue Sukuna got blitzed by a SoS attack, its far more likely Sukky just didnt want to dodge

Also, you haven't addressed how Kashimo used this ability twice, right in the midst of combat. He was exchanging blows with Sukuna and utilized the ability again. This simply suggests that the ability is fast enough to catch or pressure Sukuna in close quarters combat.

Then why would he then bother using a lightning speed and light speed attack right after if he thought a SoS attack was enough

Infact i think Kashimo might just be stupid considering he saw Sukky tank the sonic scream and he still tried to use it again

 

[Shey]

I don't see the use of an AOE attack that's not visible as a point of discontention, there's a lot of things faster than that in-verse that Sukuna scales above with no issue whatsoever

 

[WrongIdea21]

Check the scan he is literally looking at it and trying to block it before it even reaches him.

Narator said he was lacking until the last moment.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Narator said he was lacking until the last moment.

We literally see him blocking it Narrator didn't say he was slower

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Hey guys no calculations for Gojos hollow purple which nuked Shinjuku?

 

[YukaSama4]

Honestly doubt any Sorcerers beside Sukuna and Gojo can notice occurrence of spark when technique activates.

May be pixel issues?. It does seem like there was enough space. Beside can't he shorten the range?
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The fact Mahito looks suspicious of Kenjaku the moment he does that
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And this perfectly fits.
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My phone is bugging I can't tag specific parts so try to link my points with the things u mentioned

1) There's no need to assume things like this, we have multiple scenes in the manga where characters notice something before their enemy activates

Mechamaru felt the occurance of CE

The curses felt Gojo

Todo figured that Hanami is preparing an attack with incredible CE output.

And the statement that explains occurance of CE doesn't bring anything about "Only Gojo and Sukuna can"

And here despite being far away, Todo figured that Gojo is using purple.

2) It's not pixel issue because when prison realm dropped down, there was no effect behind Kenjaku, it was only specifically on prison realm, while we do know that the gravity CT isn't flexible and it has a radius, which is 2-3 meters.

3) Mahito being suspicious about Kenjaku doesn't mean he was using gravity, it can mean he knew Kenjaku was lying about something, you can say Kenjaku could move the box with his anti gravity but he acted like he has to stay there, and Mahito figured out that Kenjaku was lying.

 

[YukaSama4]

Well I think Sukuna couldn't dodge HP, Gojo hid the occurance of CE with the barrier so Sukuna didn't notice the immense output until it was really close, so he ended up tanking it, which is why he told Gojo after that "you caught me offguarded"
But I'm not getting why is that brought up now?

 

[Giannysmag]

Hey guys no calculations for Gojos hollow purple which nuked Shinjuku?

Something something void manip makes it invalid for a feat

Also there isn't really a good panel to use for the destruction

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

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My phone is bugging I can't tag specific parts so try to link my points with the things u mentioned

1) There's no need to assume things like this, we have multiple scenes in the manga where characters notice something before their enemy activates

Mechamaru felt the occurance of CE

The curses felt Gojo

Todo figured that Hanami is preparing an attack with incredible CE output.

And the statement that explains occurance of CE doesn't bring anything about "Only Gojo and Sukuna can"

And here despite being far away, Todo figured that Gojo is using purple.

2) It's not pixel issue because when prison realm dropped down, there was no effect behind Kenjaku, it was only specifically on prison realm, while we do know that the gravity CT isn't flexible and it has a radius, which is 2-3 meters.

3) Mahito being suspicious about Kenjaku doesn't mean he was using gravity, it can mean he knew Kenjaku was lying about something, you can say Kenjaku could move the box with his anti gravity but he acted like he has to stay there, and Mahito figured out that Kenjaku was lying.

Kenjaku has multiple CT how would they know it's Kenjaku activated the CT? Box was on Kenjaku hand. They definitely shouldn't be able to tell who activated by that.

Also check one of your scans Gojos DE activation was felt by Cursed Spirits but they didn't feel anything when That gravity hit time beside Kenjaku acted like something happened meanwhile Jogo asks what happened.

If they already can tell Gojo activating his CT then they should have to tell that gravity was from Gojo not Kenjaku.

Btw I know how you feel about connection vs wiki servers are down. It's hard to reply

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Something something void manip makes it invalid for a feat

Also there isn't really a good panel to use for the destruction

Void Manipulation getting nuked as far as Arkenis and others were arguing. So if HP is not VP then we should be able to calculate that feat.

 

[Giannysmag]

Void Manipulation getting nuked as far as Arkenis and others were arguing. So if HP is not VP then we should be able to calculate that feat.

Oh i didn't know that still tho there isn't really a good panel to measure, unless we wanna assume he destroyed all of Shinjuku and then base it of that

 

[YukaSama4]

Kenjaku has multiple CT how would they know it's Kenjaku activated the CT? Box was on Kenjaku hand. They definitely shouldn't be able to tell who activated by that.

Because they would've noticed the occurance of CE coming from Kenjaku, but they didn't notice anything.

Also check one of your scans Gojos DE activation was felt by Cursed Spirits but they didn't feel anything when That gravity hit time beside Kenjaku acted like something happened meanwhile Jogo asks what happened.

Because the gravity isn't Gojo's CT, it was caused by him but its not a CT, occurance of CE happens before activation of CT

If they already can tell Gojo activating his CT then they should have to tell that gravity was from Gojo not Kenjaku.

Already covered this but to sum:
1) occurance of CE happens before activation of CT.

2) Kenjaku's gravity isn't flexible and it activates on 2-3 meters around the sorcerer, it does not target specific parts like that.

Btw I know how you feel about connection vs wiki servers are down. It's hard to reply

It's bugging alot recently sometimes I can't even access the thread

 

[Giannysmag]

It's bugging alot recently sometimes I can't even access the thread

Same, is there an actual reason for it?

 

[YukaSama4]

Same, is there an actual reason for it?

I don't know


One of the good things about the next chapter is that we will probably be able to compare Kashimo to Yorozu, which will give us a scaling between Kashimo and Sendai fighters, starting from Uro to Ryu and Yuta

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

My internet sucks and vs wiki pages also loading very slow . Really irritating

 

[YukaSama4]

It might not be an Internet issue, I've changed my subscription a few months ago, but the site is lagging alot

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I don't know


One of the good things about the next chapter is that we will probably be able to compare Kashimo to Yorozu, which will give us a scaling between Kashimo and Sendai fighters, starting from Uro to Ryu and Yuta

Why? Yorozu is extremely low in the chain, and only scales above Uro. Her fight against 15F Sukuna is far less impressive when you consider:

1. He intentionally refrained from using his true CT, even while she begged him to.
2. Took several hits all for an adaptation, explicitly calling his summoning a test drive.
3. Never at any point took it seriously, unlike how how he admitted he would to Ryu.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Why? Yorozu is extremely low in the chain, and only scales above Uro. Her fight against 15F Sukuna is far less impressive when you consider:

1. He intentionally refrained from using his true CT, even while she begged him to.
2. Took several hits all for an adaptation, explicitly calling his summoning a test drive.
3. Never at any point took it seriously, unlike how how he admitted he would to Ryu.

Nonetheless whovever wins between Ryu and Uro both are relative. I don't see a reason to scale Ryu > Uro just because he wins the fight. It would be still mid to high diff. Beside Ryu did got one shoted.

 

[YukaSama4]

Why? Yorozu is extremely low in the chain, and only scales above Uro. Her fight against 15F Sukuna is far less impressive when you consider:

I think the sendai fight made it very clear that the fighters were relative to each other and each one countered the another in a way or two
Uro counters Ryu, Ryu counters the cockroch and maybe Dhruv, Dhruv counters Uro, which is why they came into a stand off.

1. He intentionally refrained from using his true CT, even while she begged him to.

Because he could finish her without it, Sukuna with the 10S would've destroyed even limitless six eyes users from the past while at 15F, Yorozu beat Uro and her group in the heian so she's above Uro.

2. Took several hits all for an adaptation, explicitly calling his summoning a test drive.
3. Never at any point took it seriously, unlike how how he admitted he would to Ryu

Why are you bringing this, I'm not saying Yorozu > Sukuna or Yorozu ~ Sukuna.

She's above Uro, who's relative to Ryu, if Kashimo did anything impressive against this Sukuna he will be above Yorozu, Uro and Ryu.

Ryu was already dogwalked by 15F Sukuna, and Yorozu beaten Uro but lost to 15F Sukuna and this is now 20F level Sukuna, so Kashimo doing anything impressive to him will make him above Sendai fighters

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

this is now 20F level Sukuna, so Kashimo doing anything impressive to him will make him above Sendai fighters

aint it 19? cus he is missing one of his fingers?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Nonetheless whovever wins between Ryu and Uro both are relative. I don't see a reason to scale Ryu > Uro just because he wins the fight. It would be still mid to high diff. Beside Ryu did got one shoted.

They really aren’t. I don’t think you understand that the deadlock wasn’t based on pure power, it’s explicitly stated to be due to a mesh of their complex personalities and abilities. This is why, despite Ryu being the physically strongest of the four, was still warded off by Dhruv’s technique. Especially considering that base Yuta dealt with him, yet Ryu could push not only him, but Rika. And considering Ryu could one-shot Rika going all out, after a DE and FP GB, the miniature blast that knocked out Uro shows their deadlock is not due to to strength.

I think the sendai fight made it very clear that the fighters were relative to each other and each one countered the another in a way or two
Uro counters Ryu, Ryu counters the cockroch and maybe Dhruv, Dhruv counters Uro, which is why they came into a stand off.

Read earlier, in abilities. Also, no Dhruv countered Ryu. Kuro countered Uro.

Because he could finish her without it, Sukuna with the 10S would've destroyed even limitless six eyes users from the past while at 15F, Yorozu beat Uro and her group in the heian so she's above Uro.

I agree. She’s above Uro, and only Uro.

Why are you bringing this, I'm not saying Yorozu > Sukuna or Yorozu ~ Sukuna.

Never said you did.

She's above Uro, who's relative to Ryu, if Kashimo did anything impressive against this Sukuna he will be above Yorozu, Uro and Ryu.

Ryu was already dogwalked by 15F Sukuna, and Yorozu beaten Uro but lost to 15F Sukuna and this is now 20F level Sukuna, so Kashimo doing anything impressive to him will make him above Sendai fighters

Read earlier bit. Uro and Yorozu are the weakest and shouldn’t scale.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

aint it 19? cus he is missing one of his fingers?

Sukuna compensated by eating the mummy. He’s at 20F level.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

They really aren’t. I don’t think you understand that the deadlock wasn’t based on pure power, it’s explicitly stated to be due to a mesh of their complex personalities and abilities. This is why, despite Ryu being the physically strongest of the four, was still warded off by Dhruv’s technique. Especially considering that base Yuta dealt with him, yet Ryu could push not only him, but Rika. And considering Ryu could one-shot Rika going all out, after a DE and FP GB, the miniature blast that knocked out Uro shows their deadlock is not due to to strength.

• I never mentioned deadlock or anything
• What does pure power has anything to do here? You can say Yuta was holding back but it doesn't make Rika was holding too. That's some crazy headcanon you will need prove.
• Rika AP and Durability scales slightly above Yuta according to Ryu. Uro tanked multiple combo hits from both of them.
• Also what do you mean Ryu one shot Rika bruh blasting someone too far ≠ damaging their durability. Rika was blasted outside of his range not that he done any significant damage. LMAO
• Also after the DE yeah CT Burnout which everyone has so stop saying like Uro got blasted off at full power and don't forget that uro was off-guard+ one arm was down.
• You are also taking the statements of Yuta was holding back as literally when he might win the fight uro or ryu at a time but his sole AP and Durability wouldn't be any higher in culling game.

Currently if Yuta perfomance is increased then it doesn't matter because he had 1 month time skip so he would scale to a different key. 15F Sukuna > Culling game Yuta ~ Ryu. That's for a real fact.

 

[YukaSama4]

Read earlier, in abilities. Also, no Dhruv countered Ryu. Kuro countered Uro.

Dhruv countered Uro too, she said since Dhruv and Kuro are no longer here there's no reason to let Ryu go.
Also Yuta countered her with Dhruv Shikigamis so yeah.

In abilities but they were relative, if Ryu scales massively higher above Uro he wouldn't have problem with her, in fact the 3 domains cancelled each other indicating they were evenly matched, that's why they wanted to remove Rika from the fight.

I agree. She’s above Uro, and only Uro.

Uro is relative to Ryu and she counters him.

Read earlier bit. Uro and Yorozu are the weakest and shouldn’t scale.

The main point that I was proposing is that we will know how to scale Kashimo to the others, it doesn't matter if you want Ryu above Yorozu or anything, if Kashimo did anything impressive he will end up scaling above all of them including Ryu

 

[YukaSama4]

aint it 19? cus he is missing one of his fingers?

He compensated for the last finger by eating the mummified body, so he's at 20F level, so basically if Sukuna gets the last finger, he will be stronger than he was even at the heian.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

He compensated for the last finger by eating the mummified body, so he's at 20F level, so basically if Sukuna gets the last finger, he will be stronger than he was even at the heian.

I wonder if 15F Sukuna could have returned 4 arms forms if he tried or is it a trait only for obtaining 20F back.

 

[WrongIdea21]

I wonder if 15F Sukuna could have returned 4 arms forms if he tried or is it a trait only for obtaining 20F back.

Doesnt it would be 3 arms?

 

[Shey]

Uraume implied he could, Sukuna then replies that he doesn't want to

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Uraume implied he could, Sukuna then replies that he doesn't want to

Isn't that's face?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Doesnt it would be 3 arms?

LMAO .

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Will respond to all of this (meaning my argument) tomorrow.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I had a friend tl the statement of a sorcerer’s innate talent is 80% of their skill set. But in the Japanese, it says 80% of their true strength. Not sure what to make of it, so you guys discuss.

Here.

 

[SunDaGamer]

not all CTs are AP based so I doubt it's talking about AP, I think the proper interpretation of "true strength" is that its talking about the capabilities of a sorcerer

 

[YukaSama4]

Pretty sure it's about "fighting strength", not AP

 

[YukaSama4]

Does anyone remember Gege's statement about "it's either everyone lives but one, or all of them die except one"?
Did it explicitly say that Yuji is the one here? Or its just an assumption

 

[Duedate8898]

It's not explicit

 

[YukaSama4]

It's not explicit

So what if Gege meant this:

One lives (he means Sukuna wins, because if he wins, that's still considered that the host lives, uk Kenjaku said the cg will end when everyone dies except Megumi and Geto, so Megumi is still considered alive by the current terms)


Everyone lives but one (the good people win and Sukuna get killed with his host, pretty simple)

So Gojo and Nobara are making a comeback, unless Sukuna wins which wouldn't happen because evil will always lose.

Sweating copium out of my skin

 

[Duedate8898]

I haven't read the latest chapter since official release is tommorow, so I have no idea what you're talking about. But currently, the only one who has to die is Gojo unless we get something from the adaptation of Shibuya that makes Nobara's fate still certain.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I find it funny how Ryu and Uro claims yuta has boundless cursed energy but Yuta gets depleted first even though Ryu has more output power than yuta. Does this mean yuta has less cursed energy efficiency? Dude just uses CE like left and right without any worry?

 

[Duedate8898]

It should be remembered that Yuta did a lot more fighting before than either Ryu or Uro did before they all started going at it. He'd used RCT quite a fair bit, and had been taking a lot more hits than anyone else there. It's less that CE efficency wasn't the best and more that he was doing a lot.