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18 to be exactI legit can’t stand 2-C Pan. How come we have 2-C Pan but only 4-B Toei Cell, when the layer actually possesses universal statements? Which one sounds crazier?
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18 to be exactI legit can’t stand 2-C Pan. How come we have 2-C Pan but only 4-B Toei Cell, when the layer actually possesses universal statements? Which one sounds crazier?
I also think, I will try to create something for Pan to be her real tier.Both sound crazy but Universe level Cell absolutely doesn't work....
18 to be exact
Almost everyone in GT is 2-C
Frieza LevelIsn't her real tier 2-C?
LmaoFrieza Level
I still think Krillin should be mountain level lolpeople against 2-C pan are no better than the guys you perceive as that are against 2-C humans
Thank god it's not applicable to the main canon LOLHey, according to the GT Perfect Files, the 50x Super Saiyan multiplier is mere speculation.
Eh, that’s stretching what it’s saying massively. Though, if we were to consider the GT Perfect Files, then you could technically add the bit about Baby’s most advanced form (Pre-Oozaru) being his variation/“resembling SSJ3.” This is done in the same vein of the Revenge Death Ball, which is compared to an “Evil” Genki Dama, and thus you could potentially try to give him the relevant scaling chain multipliers.Hey, according to the GT Perfect Files, the 50x Super Saiyan multiplier is mere speculation.
Not that it can be anything else reallyHey, according to the GT Perfect Files, the 50x Super Saiyan multiplier is mere speculation.
Is the 50x to his stats or just his PL? If the multiplier references his PL doesn't that make the multiplier invalid?Hey, according to the GT Perfect Files, the 50x Super Saiyan multiplier is mere speculation.
All it says is: “The main external features are an aura and golden hair on one’s head which stands straight up, and after the transformation one’s battle power increases remarkably!! One theory is that it becomes as much as 50 times what it is normally!!” (The Bold is what Null is referencing).Is the 50x to his stats or just his PL? If the multiplier references his PL doesn't that make the multiplier invalid?
Yeah BP = PL it’s stated to multiply your BP by 50 timesEven in the Daizenshuu it's not made clear. https://pm1.aminoapps.com/6853/d6bef1393a8d802cec4d4d2449bd3057ba366882v2_hq.jpg
In the Wiki battle power is another synonym to power levels and that's also a term I know it by.
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Power Level
This article is about the concept of power levels. For the list of power levels, see List of Power Levels. The Power Level (戦闘力, Sentō Ryoku, lit. "combat power" or "fighting strength"), referred to as Battle Point/Battle Power (BP) in video games, manga, and Dragon Ball Super: Broly, is a...dragonball.fandom.com
Yeah BP = PL it’s stated to multiply your BP by 50 times
Well Kaioken is stated to multiply BP as well and yeah it would effect all stats since BP Is just the sensory of the amount of ki someone has and ki enhances all stats that we have a note forThen can we even use the multiplier? Considering the Pl is not accepted as linearly increasing and affecting stats can we also apply the 50x multiplier to stats?
Friendly reminder that Burter is the fastest in the universe.Considering the Pl is not accepted as linearly increasing
Well Kaioken is stated to multiply BP as well and yeah it would effect all stats since BP Is just the sensory of the amount of ki someone has and ki enhances all stats that we have a note for
Friendly reminder that Burter is the fastest in the universe.
It's truly sad, the High 6-A upgrades were necessary for all the main multipliers to remain usable
Okay, back to being an Opponent.It's truly sad, the High 6-A upgrades were necessary for all the main multipliers to remain usable
I remember having mentions of Android in the canon DBZ mangaIt occurs to me faaaaar too late, now, but the amount of films that would be canon to GT from direct references to them would be way over I provided in the cosmology thread.
Since via including Fusion Reborn, that retroactively adds like 90% of the film villain roster. The only ones I don’t think are in GT or FR are the 3 ‘Droids from the A13 movie, and like, OG DB film antagonists.
Then can we even use the multiplier? Considering the Pl is not accepted as linearly increasing and affecting stats can we also apply the 50x multiplier to stats?
I remember having mentions of Android in the canon DBZ manga
There are statements about it multiplying the strenght itself in DBZ Kakarot and by Toriyama in SEG, and it would be scaled to Kaioken anyway which is directly mentioned to multiply stats, so we are fine even if we ignore the "multiply the battle power" thingYeah but since ki increase is not linear a 50x multiplier to PL wouldn't translate to a 50x multiplier to stats as well.
Why would it be scaled to Kaioken? If it's on SEG that's fine.There are statements about it multiplying the strenght itself in DBZ Kakarot and by Toriyama in SEG, and it would be scaled to Kaioken anyway which is directly mentioned to multiply stats, so we are fine even if we ignore the "multiply the battle power" thing
This section hereWhy would it be scaled to Kaioken? If it's on SEG that's fine.
However, more than that, SSJ is consistent with the showings in the manga as a 50x speed multiplier specifically. Goku using Kaio-ken x10 was being outpaced by 50% Frieza, and even Kaio-ken x20 while using a Kamehameha was at best equal to 50% Frieza's speed, yet using SSJ allowed Goku to speed blitz 50% Frieza, and even have an edge in speed over 100% Frieza.
Hmm, could it be that Akira toriyama wanted to add Toei Androids in the manga ?
Eh. Super Android 13! released four months after the chapter.Hmm, could it be that Akira toriyama wanted to add Toei Androids in the manga ?
I think that since Tori highlighted 13, 14, and 15 as being nearly successful, Toei wanted to use the droids that Tori considered near successes and asked him for their designs (which they would then make a movie about). Or maybe Tori highlighted those three as a hint towards the film?Eh. Super Android 13! released four months after the chapter.
I think the real reason here is that Dr. Gero created twenty Androids, and Toriyama wanted to outline Gero's progress. And 13 is between 8 and 20.
Somethin' likit.I think that since Tori highlighted 13, 14, and 15 as being nearly successful, Toei wanted to use the droids that Tori considered near successes and asked him for their designs (which they would then make a movie about). Or maybe Tori highlighted those three as a hint towards the film?
I understandEh. Super Android 13! released four months after the chapter.
I think the real reason here is that Dr. Gero created twenty Androids, and Toriyama wanted to outline Gero's progress. And 13 is between 8 and 20.
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