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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

Nullflowerblush said:
Hey, continuing this train of thought, in-universe, Frieza refers to Earth's Hell as, aptly, "Earth's hell", which strongly suggests the existence of individual planetary Hells; in the manga, Sorbet and Shisami ended up there, too.
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I believe that it is not the size of the earth and that there are no other hells on earth, this is just a place that Ema created in hell itself to harm Frieza's mind and make him redeem himself from all sin, the place is below the hell itself, this is demonstrated.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
this is just a place that Ema created in hell itself to harm Frieza's mind
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Nullflowerblush said:
And, the opening of Ep.19 of Super reveals multiple different "terrains"/"areas" of Earth's Hell, including the area Frieza had been trapped in, underneath a body of water
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That, and, again, Sorbet and Shisami were transported to Earth's Hell, too, in the manga.

And, like, say, Super Yemma did create Earth's Hell specifically for Frieza. Why did TV anime Yemma relocate Frieza to Hell with the Ogres and the villains of the past instead of exactly that? Clearly, Yemma judges his spirits in carefully tailored ways; he beat Raditz, a Saiyan, down before relocation, and he relocated Dabura to Heaven, being the King of the Demon Realm.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
That, and, again, Sorbet and Shisami were transported to Earth's Hell, too, in the manga.

And, like, say, Super Yemma did create Earth's Hell specifically for Frieza. Why did TV anime Yemma relocate Frieza to Hell with the Ogres and the villains of the past instead of exactly that? Clearly, Yemma judges his spirits in carefully tailored ways; he beat Raditz, a Saiyan, down before relocation, and he relocated Dabura to Heaven, being the King of the Demon Realm.
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But what you've shown is just hell being shown and various parts of it being seen.



Like here, where the big mountains that inhabit all hell in Dragon Ball are shown


Those places are just parts of hell, they're not separate from hell itself lol, but Toei changes the ways some people go to hell and other places, but both are the same specific place of hell, or can we assume that that location already existed to imprison Frieza (which although it is very doubtful), I believe that Ema himself created this unique place for Frieza.
 
I completely forgot, but evil has a physical presence in-universe, considering the Devilmite Beam kills its targets by expanding their evil until their bodies explode.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
I completely forgot, but evil has a physical presence in-universe, considering the Devilmite Beam kills its targets by expanding their evil until their bodies explode.
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How does that indicate a physical presence for evil? Why can’t it just be something abstract as concepts like evil, Justice, etc, normally are?
 
MeiouHades said:
How does that indicate a physical presence for evil? Why can’t it just be something abstract as concepts like evil, Justice, etc, normally are?
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The Devilmite Beam transforms an opponent's own negative thoughts into destructive beams that can annihilate anything in their path. However, it only works if there are negative thoughts in the target's mind to begin with. Due to this, outside of the video games, it is an all-or-nothing attack.

That's from the wiki and yeah it just looks like it transforms bad brain signals? https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Devilmite_Beam

Also Roshi's explanation:

"It is a force of unimaginable evil, that has destroyed more lives than any war or pestilence combined. Long ago there was a mighty-but-compassionate warrior. His power was beyond measure, yet many foolish upstarts tried to destroy him, in hopes of making a name for themselves. They were all unsuccessful, until one day, the Devilman appeared. Knowing he could not compete against the warrior's strength, the Devilman attacked using his mind. He discovered he could exploit his opponent's negative thoughts, no matter how faint, and convert them into an energy beam of immense power, the Devilmite Beam. It amplified any dark thought, anger, malice, aggression and caused it to expand until his opponent's heart, literally exploded! It was the death of a great hero, and the birth of an even greater evil."
— Master Roshi's explanation of the Devilmite Beam

Seems to just use emotions as power.

Also Toriyama said that the attack wouldn't hit if aimed at future villains. Does that mean if it hit them it's gonna do a crap ton of damage especially if destroying their heart is fatal? Could Devilman oneshot Black?
 
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Serlock_Holmes said:
The Devilmite Beam transforms an opponent's own negative thoughts into destructive beams that can annihilate anything in their path. However, it only works if there are negative thoughts in the target's mind to begin with. Due to this, outside of the video games, it is an all-or-nothing attack.

That's from the wiki and yeah it just looks like it transforms bad brain signals? https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Devilmite_Beam

Also Roshi's explanation:

"It is a force of unimaginable evil, that has destroyed more lives than any war or pestilence combined. Long ago there was a mighty-but-compassionate warrior. His power was beyond measure, yet many foolish upstarts tried to destroy him, in hopes of making a name for themselves. They were all unsuccessful, until one day, the Devilman appeared. Knowing he could not compete against the warrior's strength, the Devilman attacked using his mind. He discovered he could exploit his opponent's negative thoughts, no matter how faint, and convert them into an energy beam of immense power, the Devilmite Beam. It amplified any dark thought, anger, malice, aggression and caused it to expand until his opponent's heart, literally exploded! It was the death of a great hero, and the birth of an even greater evil."
— Master Roshi's explanation of the Devilmite Beam

Seems to just use emotions as power.

Also Toriyama said that the attack wouldn't hit if aimed at future villains. Does that mean if it hit them it's gonna do a crap ton of damage especially if destroying their heart is fatal? Could Devilman oneshot Black?
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Not Black, no. Black is pure of Heart and genuinely believes he is serving Justice.

It’d totally kill like, Moro though.
 
RedReaper said:
Not Black, no. Black is pure of Heart and genuinely believes he is serving Justice.

It’d totally kill like, Moro though.
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I don't think it works like that. Considering the only ones it wouldn't work is Goku and fricking fish and infants anyone having a brain sufficed. Anyone is getting destroyed by this and even current Goku included as during that period of time Goku could totally pass for braindead.
 
Serlock_Holmes said:
I don't think it works like that. Considering the only ones it wouldn't work is Goku and fricking fish and infants anyone having a brain sufficed. Anyone is getting destroyed by this and even current Goku included as during that period of time Goku could totally pass for braindead.
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Goku survived because he was Pure of Heart. Black, being Pure of Heart, would be equally as immune. This is reflected in their (admittedly non-canon) game material, as the Devilmite Beam doesn’t work on Black in them, like in Dragon Ball Fusions.
 
RedReaper said:
Goku survived because he was Pure of Heart. Black, being Pure of Heart, would be equally as immune. This is reflected in their (admittedly non-canon) game material, as the Devilmite Beam doesn’t work on Black in them, like in Dragon Ball Fusions.
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Really? Currently the only one I could see the beam not working on being Zeno. I don't think even Goku fits the criteria anymore. Also instead of Piccolo shouldn't Goku have brought Devilman against Raditz and hold him down enough for devilman to beam his ass?
 
Serlock_Holmes said:
Really? Currently the only one I could see the beam not working on being Zeno. I don't think even Goku fits the criteria anymore. Also instead of Piccolo shouldn't Goku have brought Devilman against Raditz and hold him down enough for devilman to beam his ass?
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Yep.

Goku explicitly is immune because he was considered Pure of Heart, he just also has “poisonous” personality traits to go alongside his Pure Nature. And as stated in the Anime, Black is a truly Pure being like Goku.

Also, Goku no longer being pure is at best Headcanon. Also just not true, considering all of the Son Family can ride the Kinto’un at any time.
 
RedReaper said:
Yep.

Goku explicitly is immune because he was considered Pure of Heart, he just also has “poisonous” personality traits to go alongside his Pure Nature. And as stated in the Anime, Black is a truly Pure being like Goku.

Also, Goku no longer being pure is at best Headcanon. Also just not true, considering all of the Son Family can ride the Kinto’un at any time.
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That's bullshit. I henceforth create my own headcannon that only Zeno and the Turtle can ride the cloud.
 
Okay, so I just had a wild idea. Not sure if anyone else brought this up though...

So Mechikabura absorbed and fused with all of space-time, right? That should include areas like the Sugoroku Space/Afterlife/Void World which have been stated to have no concept of space-time. Therefore, couldn't Mechikabura gain conceptual nonexistent physiology on top of transdual nonexistent physiology (for embodying both existence and nonexistence)?
 
ProfectusInfinity said:
Okay, so I just had a wild idea. Not sure if anyone else brought this up though...

So Mechikabura absorbed and fused with all of space-time, right? That should include areas like the Sugoroku Space/Afterlife/Void World which have been stated to have no concept of space-time. Therefore, couldn't Mechikabura gain conceptual nonexistent physiology on top of transdual nonexistent physiology (for embodying both existence and nonexistence)?
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We don't accept these statements as literal, plus it wouldn't grant him these things even if they were, unfortunately.
 
Just a random thought I had just now, but if BoG and RoF movies are considered DBZ movies (not dbs) is it possible to use them for Toei Goku's profile?
 
ChronoULT said:
Or, the movies would be just considered discarted canon material, since the script was made by Toriyama
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At least not from Brolly ( which is the best Dragon Ball movie ever released )

Just waiting to see Janemba being brought back to reality,that would be fantastic, i think the movie will be with Vegetto (since they used Gogeta in the Broly movie)
 
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